But life goes on so I ask that you all please repost all the messages you posted previously if you remember them. Also this movie is soon to be released for rental on video. So have your slow motion and pause button's ready and Happy Nitpicking.
Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections
The Show Board
By Keith Alan Morgan on Saturday, June 12, 1999 - 10:54 am:
For a simple people who live close to the land, the Ba'ku sure have a lot of clean, white clothing. I guess that regeneration field also keeps whites white.
Those stealth suits are nice, but aren't the guys in them worried about leaving footprints in the dirt? (The Invisible Man was tracked by his footprints in the snow.)
Troi & Picard seem awfully underprepared for this diplomatic meeting.
Now Data can leave his emotion chip behind? What happened to Crusher saying it couldn't be removed in Star Trek Generations? (I'm a Doctor, not a Cyberneticist.)
Why does the Admiral need to contact the Enterprise for a copy of Data's schematics? Wouldn't Starfleet have a copy? Wouldn't they be transferred to wherever he's serving just like medical records?
Worf says, "We must stabilize the damping field." Isn't it normally called a 'dampening' field?
Why would Data, a machine, need to be in stasis? (If you leave Data off too long, does he start to smell like rotting fish?)
Picard says, "Data doesn't breath." Actually Data does breath. In Birthright, Part I Dr. Bashir asked Data about his breathing and I believe Data said something about it regulating some system of his.
Picard orders that ship to decloak very easily. Perhaps too easily for someone who serves in a fleet that doesn't use cloaking technology?
For someone who can't swim, Anij did a good job of not sinking.
Picard's asking Geordi about trouble with his implants came out of the blue. Almost as if a scene had been cut.
Why would Geordi be thrilled to see like everyone else? With his VISOR, and I suppose with his implants, he could see up and down the electromagnetic spectrum. His wanting to see like humans would be like a normal sighted person wanting to see in only black & white.
So if Riker & Geordi had showed up to meet Picard in civilian clothes, would someone else have been ordered to take the ship out of the Briar Patch & send the message? If Dr. Crusher & Troi had worn their uniforms would they have to stay behind?
(Dr. Crusher: I'll take the stick. Deanna, get down to Engineering and fix the warp core.
Troi: The what?)
When Anij slows down time for Picard, was anyone else reminded of The King Of World's Edge by H. Warner Munn?
A number of people have trouble dating this episode, but there are some time references. The first two are iffy. If you pause the tape, or DVD, after the Admiral 'hangs up', there are some numbers on the screen that look kind of like a Stardate (it was tough to tell on my TV screen). Both times the last 5 digits on the screen reads 52855. Maybe it's just the communicator ID numbers, but it does look like a Stardate. The next one is a bit more specific. The head So'na guy comments that in the last 2 years the Federation have been confronted by the Borg, Cardassians & Dominion. I don't remember if a Stardate was given in Star Trek: First Contact, but the recent Borg attack was mentioned in DS9's In Purgatory's Shadow and 7 of 9 knew of events from STFC and she left the Collective in Scorpion, Part II.
So why didn't Data just destroy the injector?
Picard has 318 days of shore leave coming. So will Starfleet allow him to just take them all at once or just in small batches?
This film had a few red herrings: The Bolian asks Picard if he's read his paper on thermionic radiation, then it's revealed that thermionic radiation is used by the injector. I thought for sure that Bolian's paper would be mentioned again; Anij shows Picard how to slow down time, and when they later mentioned how little time Picard would have to stop the injector, I was afraid Picard would use this newly taught technique. Fortunately, they didn't do that.
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By Murray Leeder on Saturday, June 12, 1999 - 02:08 pm:
Having done a lot of time thinking about immortality, as part of a novel I wrote a while back and hope to have published (fingers cross), I dispute the premise that immortal people would be infinitely patient or live in the moment. After a few centuries, one moment is going to start feeling pretty much like all the others, and the only thing that will keep you going is long-term projects.
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By Nangeloni on Thursday, June 17, 1999 - 11:48 pm:
I don't know if this was mentioned before, but this is the first movie where Earth was not seen!
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By M. Jenkins on Friday, June 18, 1999 - 09:57 pm:
So the Baku, in addition to be virtually ageless, can now control time? I'm sorry...that's a really SAD plot idea. An easy way to slow time down is to do something incredibly dull for hours on end...I do that, and time drags!
By the way...I really HATED all of those slowed time scenes. It's almost like Paramount needed something to fill in time while everyone was rushing to do whatever they were supposed to. Why not show something a tad more interesting?
Another thing - if that Admiral had had a really flabby face, would the skin stretching have still killed him? And since the Baku have the same features as humans, and the Son'a were revealed to be Baku originally...shouldn't the skin stretching have killed them? Or do the Baku have those magical rubber Halloween masks that lets them make grotesque faces?
One last thing - If the Federation had okayed the forced relocation of the Baku, why did the Son'a try to take out the Enterprise when they went off to leave the Briar Patch? Shouldn't they have just cooled their heels and waited for Riker to come wandering back with his head hanging in shame?
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By Meg on Friday, June 18, 1999 - 11:53 pm:
When Riker says that his chin is "As smooth as an android's bottom, eh Data," and when Data touches his chin and gives him this lokk like 'not even close' this made me wonder, "Just how smooth is an android's bottom?"
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By Keith Alan Morgan on Saturday, June 19, 1999 - 02:41 am:
M. Jenkins: I only remember one time slowed down scene. How many did you see?
Meg: I suppose that depends on what material his outer covering is made of. (Something like teflon, perhaps?)
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By ScottN on Saturday, June 19, 1999 - 02:44 am:
KAM - 2 scenes.
1) the hummingbird
2) with Crusher in the cave
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By KAM on Saturday, June 19, 1999 - 02:49 am:
I remember them talking about using it in the cave to save Anij's life, but I don't remember seeing it. (And what would have looked like anyway? Crusher slowly operating?)
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By M. Jenkins on Saturday, June 19, 1999 - 03:34 am:
KAM: The hummingbird, and in the cave with Anij. He told her to slow time down, and she did. I don't remember exactly what was said, but someone said it'd take a couple hours to get Picard and Anij out, and Crusher (I think) replied Anij didn't have that long. If she didn't have that long, why's she still living all those hours later? It might have been implied, but I saw it slow...to where the dust molecules were quite visible in slow motion. There might be one more, but I'm not positive.
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By Keith Alan Morgan on Saturday, June 19, 1999 - 03:42 am:
So why didn't Anij slow down time when Picard pushed her off the holoship? She could have slowed time down, landed on the water, and walked to shore on top of the water like the Flash, or Merlin in The King Of World's Edge?
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By M. Jenkins on Sunday, June 20, 1999 - 01:26 am:
I got the impression that she needed to concentrate to slow time down, and getting unexpectedly shoved into water just didn't give her the time. Or maybe that Son'a was still shooting (wasn't he?), and she didn't want to be a walking target. Or maybe she didn't want the Son'a sniper to know she could do that.
Or maybe that's a question for the producers...
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By Omer on Sunday, June 20, 1999 - 04:23 am:
Why does the radiation only effect ppl AFTER puberty?
and why don't they all go back to look as if they were 18?
and who was the a*****e who thought aboyut the Picard/NJ roman? Am I the only one who thought it was totally out of place?
When Picard says he always liked older women, I was like WHAT? I don't THINK SO. Remember Vash? and that officer under his command?
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By M. Jenkins on Sunday, June 20, 1999 - 06:34 am:
Neela Darren? Yeah, and what about Bev Crusher? I somehow doubt she's older than him...
Unless Picard had a secret infatuation with Admiral Nechayev...it'd be news to me he had an interest in older women.
I do agree, though...that romance thing had to go...
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By Keith Alan Morgan on Sunday, June 20, 1999 - 12:10 pm:
I think the full line was supposed to be "I have always liked older women, as long as they look young enough to be my daughter." ;-)
Come on, am I the only one who didn't take that "older women" line seriously? It sounded like something a guy would say to get over an awkward moment. {"You're how old!?! (pause) Well, I'd still like to jump your bones."}
And that slow down time thing sounds good for sex as well. Two minutes for the guy, three hours for the woman.
(I apologize to anyone who thinks that last paragraph crossed over the line of good taste.)
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By M. Jenkins on Sunday, June 20, 1999 - 06:33 pm:
*Just grins widely*
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By Alfonso Turnage on Tuesday, June 29, 1999 - 01:22 am:
One, just because she could freeze time doesn't mean she can walk on water. Just because I freeze time doesn't mean air will suddenly become solid. Two, I liked the romance story between him and the stop-time woman. Especially if ST: NG 4 is about the long-term effects of the
Bak'u planet(see the possible plot for ST: NG IX board) the romance story could be very interesting. How is a relationship between an explorer always-quickly-on-the-move captain and a "slower," spiritual Bak'u woman going to play out?
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By Keith Alan Morgan on Tuesday, June 29, 1999 - 02:17 am:
The walk on water comment comes from the Flash comic book. The Flash could run across the water because his foot wasn't in one place long enough to sink. If Anij could move at a relatively normal speed while slowing everything else down, (Ok, technically she is speeding herself up while everything else moves normally) she could theoretically walk across the water because she wouldn't be in one place long enough to sink. Air is less dense than water so it would probably move out of her way on her walk.
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By M. Jenkins on Friday, July 09, 1999 - 03:13 am:
But I was still under the impression it took concentration for her to slow others down/speed herself up...she'd drown while waiting for it to happen!
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By Keith Alan Morgan on Friday, July 09, 1999 - 03:33 am:
I guess it all depends on how you interpret what exactly it was she was doing. I suspect a lot of stuff was cut out so the whole slow down time angle became a very minor and unnecasary story point.
I wonder if the original script would shed further light on the matter?
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By M. Jenkins on Saturday, July 10, 1999 - 03:24 pm:
I should hope so, Keith...I'll now go off in search of the original script. Wish me luck!
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By Mark Swinton on Sunday, October 24, 1999 - 06:08 pm:
Actually, the real world answer is that Jonathan Frakes didn't have his way with editing on this one like he did with "First Contact". I know this because I have seen pictures (real ones!) in magazines showing scenes that I subsequently didn't see in the movie. One of Picard kissing Anij very passionately is one, as is another of Picard talking to Ru'afo (nothing odd about that you might think, but you can see Picard is holding a Coke can!!!!! It is very very very very very funny, if you ever get to see it!).
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By Padawan Nitpicker on Sunday, November 07, 1999 - 03:42 am:
Picard says Data is in stasia, but really he`s been deactivated (temporarily). What`s more, When he switches Data back on again the switch is in the back of the neck, like with C-3PO, not in his back, where it was in previous episodes.
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By Plantman on Sunday, November 07, 1999 - 01:29 pm:
Why did Admiral Dougherty allow Data to come to the Bak'u planet?? If he's trying to keep this thing under wraps, would you want a genius and unchangeably honest android wandering around. This is not a good plan. As Ru'afo said: "Next time, leave you android home."
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By B.J. on Monday, November 22, 1999 - 07:58 pm:
I have to admit, when I went to see "Insurrection", during the INCREDIBLY TENSE WE'VE GOT TO GET THESE PEOPLE OUT OF HERE sequence, I turned to the friends I'd come with and said "Why do they have llamas?"
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By Aaron Dotter on Saturday, December 04, 1999 - 10:23 pm:
I don't know if this has been caught before, but when they are singing "A British Tar" Worf says that he has never heard of Gilbert and Sullivan, and yet he sings some of the song with his eyes closed! I'll grant that maybe he saw some of it on the screen but it only had 3 lines at a time.
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By Mark Swinton on Wednesday, December 08, 1999 - 12:54 pm:
Aha, Aaron, you have clearly not had much experience in hymn-singing. As a choir director, I was frequently telling my church choir, "think about the words and for goodness sake TRY TO READ AHEAD, memorising two lines at a time so you can look up and see the conductor or examine your part-line if you are singing ATB harmony."
We know from TNG and DS9 that Worf loves Klingon opera, and it is conceivable that he has performed in holodeck versions of them. In order to do so, he would have needed to acquaint himself with the lyrics, just as a choir needs to acquaint itself with the words and melody of a hymn.
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By margie on Wednesday, December 08, 1999 - 01:25 pm:
But, if there were only 3 lines at a time on the screen, how could Worf have read ahead?
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By Mark Swinton on Sunday, January 23, 2000 - 03:00 pm:
By reading all three or just the first two displayed at any given moment rather than just reading one at a time. That's what I mean when I say reading ahead. The trick is reading everything you can possibly read in a single glance.
(In any case, given the speed at which we've seen text roll by on some of these Starfleet computer screens, I'd say that the Academy places a special emphasis on speed-reading...)
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By Mark Swinton on Sunday, January 23, 2000 - 03:01 pm:
...either that or he happened to know the song without knowing whence it came or who authored it.
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By Anonymous on Thursday, May 04, 2000 - 05:42 pm:
Did Anij have more than one facial expression? It barely changes throughout the movie.
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By Alex on Monday, May 08, 2000 - 12:27 pm:
Yeah, the lone expression, also known as the I'm-constipated-look.
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By Greg Brannan on Saturday, May 13, 2000 - 02:38 pm:
About Gilbert and Sullivan, you don't neccessarily have to know the composer's name to know the music. Or, you might know the composer's name, know the music, but pull a "duh" moment when asked something like, "Do you know Gilbert and Sullivan?" in a time of crisis. I'll bet Worf thought, "oh, THAT Gilbert and Sullivan, now where's a crack I can hide in to avoid this embarassment?" Did you Notice he was reluctant to sing at first, but ended up joining in? Besides, I think the whole scene was meant to be comic relief more than anything. Actually, I found the entire movie to be rather amusing, especially when Data was "missing" his memory engrams
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By Túrin on Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 03:16 pm:
One thing I'm amazed no one has pointed out (unless it's on another board I haven't read yet): When Anij is hurt in the cave she is dying, right? And she'll die before Crusher can get to her. So what does she do? She slows time down. Yes, but if she is moving normally and the dust is oh so slowly falling down, isn't that the same as speeding herself up, relative to Crusher's rescue attempts?
In other words, it will take *LONGER* for Crusher to get to her and treat her, so she'll DIE! Why would Picard want this?
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By Glenn Butler on Monday, August 28, 2000 - 02:14 pm:
I just don't know which Insurrection board to put this on, so I'll stick it in here: Just what does Worf say when asked how he got onto the Enterprise? Is it in the novelization? I haven't found it in my locanl bookstore yet.
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By Bugs Bunny on Tuesday, August 29, 2000 - 02:46 am:
Didn't he say, "Oh, I shoulda taken a right at Albuquerque!"
Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections
THE NITS........
By John A. Lang on Friday, March 10, 2000 - 02:16 pm:
OK Nitpickers. The movie is on VHS and DVD.
We've most likely seen this movie so many times,
we have the dialogue memorized.
So grab your remote control....
and on the da nits.....
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By John A. Lang on Saturday, March 11, 2000 - 03:44 pm:
I don't know how these people manage to live so long.
When Picard & Worf clamp onto Data's shuttle,
he begins to spin both crafts around in circles
BUT....
Picard & Worf manage to stay in their seats
without safety belts.
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By John A. Lang on Saturday, March 11, 2000 - 03:57 pm:
The joystick is probably the biggest nit of them all. Who build the Enterprise-E anyway?
Atari?
If the Son'a had weapons that were banned by some treaty, why go into business with them in the first place? Just because they have some kind of technology to "harvest" the power of the rings?
Hardly justifyable.
To what purpose did that "pocket creature"
have anyway? They never say what it is or what it does.To me it's just plain useless.
How come Picard's hair didn't start growing back
or get darker at least?
Worf's facial hair should've been getting less
visible too.
Not to mention Geordi's mustache.
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By Chris Thomas on Saturday, March 11, 2000 - 10:59 pm:
Re: "To what purpose did that "pocket creature"
have anyway?"
To be cute, for the younger audience. It was a pet, nothing more, and had only the purpose that pets have. To be little friends to their owners.
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By SomeDude on Monday, March 20, 2000 - 11:21 pm:
Kinda Like A Star Trek Pokémon...
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By John A. Lang on Tuesday, March 21, 2000 - 02:05 pm:
Doesn't the collector for collecting the particles
remind anyone else of the "solar sailor" from
the movie "Tron" by Disney?
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By Anonymous on Friday, March 24, 2000 - 06:49 pm:
You're saying someone actually saw the film Tron?
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By John A. Lang on Saturday, March 25, 2000 - 01:34 am:
I did. And aside from the stilted acting,
slow-moving action sequences, and sort of confusing plot...it was a relatively good movie.
The SFX were dazzling, however.
I mean..I can't think of ANYONE who WOULDN'T
want to "enter" their favorite video game
and play one-on-one with the characters.
I think that'd be cool.
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By Anonymous on Saturday, March 25, 2000 - 08:40 pm:
You've obviously never seen the Homer 3-D Simpsons sequence and the joke about Tron.
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By Clancy Wiggum on Sunday, March 26, 2000 - 01:02 pm:
I've seen it. I mean, no, I haven't.
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By John A. Lang on Sunday, March 26, 2000 - 01:29 pm:
Come to think of it, THIS movie had stilted acting, slow-moving action sequences and a sort of confusing plot with great special effects too!
And seeing most of it was done with computers...
maybe they should've called it "Tron II"
(Chuckle, snicker, guffaw)
Also I thought that the head-piece the aliens
gave Picard to wear looked absolutely ridiculous.
When he put that on I thought he was gonna put on some dark sunglasses do a Stevie Wonder imitation
and start singing songs from "The Key of Life"
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By Brian Lombard on Monday, April 24, 2000 - 07:30 am:
I've seen both "Tron" and "Insurrection." And I still can't decide which was worse.
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By The Rock on Friday, May 05, 2000 - 03:52 pm:
Interesting that 'Tron' is an anagram for 'Rotn', or should I say, 'Rotten'.
Meanwhile, 'Insurrection' is an anagram for 'Recintnoisur', which I think is Romulan for 'Why bother?'
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By cableface on Saturday, May 06, 2000 - 05:48 pm:
Ooooooh, back in the knife box ,tiger.
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By John A. Lang on Sunday, May 07, 2000 - 03:32 am:
Needless scenes......
*Picard & Worf's singing sequence
*Picard's "mambo" scene
*The inflatable butt scene
*Picard & Anij's long (and I mean LONG) talk in the dark.
*The "slowing down of time" scenes..as if they needed to make this snoozer of a movie longer
*All the "pocket creature" scenes...if you're not going to tell the audience what it is, leave it out...I'm sorry...it was nothing more than a "let's show off our SFX" moment
I must say that the Son'a guy falling from the roof after being shot was silly looking too.
It almost looks like a ballet sequence
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By Old Baldy on Sunday, May 07, 2000 - 04:36 am:
Inflatable butt? Mambo? When?
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By John A. Lang on Monday, May 08, 2000 - 01:33 am:
Inflatable butt when Picard, Data and Anij
were wading in the water after jumping off the holoship..Data announces in the event of a water landing, he can become a floatation device.
(PPPPT!)
The mambo scene happens when Picard enters his
quarters for no apparent reason then asks for music...it starts with classical then he says,
"No, no something in Latin" then the computer says, "Specify" then Picard says, "The mambo"
then he starts dancing around like a loony bird,
look at himself in the mirror, then the next thing
you know, he's at Anij's front door and asks,
"How old are you?" (A real gentleman's question I
might want to add.)
It's all there on DVD
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By The Rock on Monday, May 08, 2000 - 11:31 am:
The Rock says DVD stands for Don't View this Disaster.
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By John A. Lang on Tuesday, May 09, 2000 - 02:34 am:
Or.......
Dumb, Very Dumb!
Another "needless scene" was the alien gift scene..I know I mentioned that before..but not as a "needless scene"...Picard looked completely idiotic with that headpiece.
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By The Rock on Tuesday, May 09, 2000 - 11:23 am:
DVD: Dopey Vacuous Drivel.
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By Ghel on Tuesday, May 09, 2000 - 05:04 pm:
If not for the pocket creature, the kid would have not run off to find it, hence, Picard and Annej (SP?) wouldn't have gone back and gotten trapped in the cave-in.
The Picard Mambo scene visually shows how Picard is starting to feel better and younger. As is his revelation in the mirror. He asks the woman about her age because he suspects that all is not as it appears, aka, he suspects that they are being rejuvinated by the planet.
I personally enjoyed this film. It felt very much like an episode of TNG, and that wasn't a bad thing.
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By John A. Lang on Wednesday, May 10, 2000 - 01:45 am:
A better idea for the scene "Picard feeling younger"....
Have him flirt with Dr. Crusher!
Now THAT would've made this movie a lot more interesting!
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By Aaron Dotter on Sunday, May 14, 2000 - 09:27 pm:
When Worf oversleeps and Picard calls him to the bridge, it takes all of 30 seconds for him to put his uniform on, straighten his hair, put his baldric on, run to the turbolift, and ride in it to get to the bridge. That is darn fast! (I counted using my DVD player.) And the only thing wrong with him on the bridge was that his baldric was crooked.
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By Charles Cabe (Ccabe) on Monday, May 15, 2000 - 11:51 am:
He also does his hair.
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By SB on Monday, May 15, 2000 - 04:07 pm:
Maybe Worf knows some "fast-time" tricks that the Ocampa may find useful!
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By Anonymous on Wednesday, May 17, 2000 - 12:48 am:
Was Geordi originally planning on attending the reception at the beginning? Picard calls him down there and not 2 minutes later he's there, all dressed up in his dress uniform.
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By The Rock on Thursday, May 18, 2000 - 11:04 am:
Are you sure he wasn't just serving drinks in his spare waiter's uniform? "Oh, Geordi! Another dacquiri for Worf and triple Harvey Wallbanger for Mister Ryker!"
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By Locutus on Monday, July 17, 2000 - 03:40 am:
One thing I noticed was when Picard beamed from the So'na ship to the particle collector, they used a federation transport pattern. Shouldn't it have been the So'na effect.
And I noticed that when Picard was loading the yacht with weapons and the gang shows up, he tells Riker and LaForge to stay with the ship and the rest come with him. How fortunate that only Riker and LaForge showed up in uniform, and the rest were in civilian clothes. How did they know who would be going where? Must have read the script.
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By John A. Lang on Monday, July 17, 2000 - 09:25 am:
During that same scene I noticed another nit...
Troi & Riker had the hots for one another earlier in the movie...how come Troi didn't run up to Riker before he left and give him a "good luck kiss"? I think they should've added that.
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By Chris Thomas on Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 01:52 am:
Would it have been appropriate behaviour in front of the captain?
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By Rene on Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 07:17 am:
I thought this movie was very good. I enjoyed it very much.
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By John A. Lang on Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 11:19 am:
I think Picard knew that Troi & Riker had the hots for one another...he simply would've raised his eyebrow and said, "Let's go"
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By Chris Thomas on Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 09:14 pm:
OK, but maybe Riker didn't want to annoy Worf? Given Worf would have been with Jadzia by this stage but there still may have been some jealousy.
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By John A. Lang on Sunday, July 23, 2000 - 12:59 am:
If Worf truly was in love with Jadzia, there'd be no jealousy.
So kiss away Number One...before I beat you to it.
Boy, was Troi delicious looking in the hot tub or what?
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By Rene on Sunday, July 23, 2000 - 06:52 am:
Um....Jadzia was dead by this point.
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By John A. Lang on Sunday, July 23, 2000 - 12:16 pm:
Some people say "never again" after they lose someone they love. Worf could've made the same decision
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By Nark S on Sunday, July 30, 2000 - 06:48 pm:
"If Worf truly was in love with Jadzia..."
Isn't this the same guy who slept with Ezri?
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By Chris Thomas on Monday, July 31, 2000 - 02:10 am:
But aren't Jadzia and Ezri partly the same people, thanks to the Dax symbiont?
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By Josh Mastin on Saturday, August 26, 2000 - 11:02 pm:
Did Crusher and Picard break up? In all three of the TNG movies I haven't seen them do anything that would suggest that they still like each other.
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By Chris Booton (Cbooton) on Sunday, August 27, 2000 - 12:55 pm:
Yea but Worf and Ezri were maroned on a planet, they selt together for warmth, and protection, it would have looked silly for them to sleep appart.
At the end the Enterprise leaves the system, but they have no warp core, so they should have been stranded.
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By Chris Thomas on Monday, August 28, 2000 - 04:35 am:
Weren't they just travelling at impulse?
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By John A. Lang on Monday, August 28, 2000 - 12:12 pm:
Score 1 for Chris Thomas....they were leaving at impulse....so the closest Starbase would be days. weeks, months or maybe years away....unless they get a tow. (AAA Starship Club maybe?)
RUMOR: Enterprise-F in the next movie.
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By Glenn Butler on Monday, August 28, 2000 - 01:01 pm:
Why would there be a new enterprise in the next movie? We're not done with this one yet! And why couldn't another starship be sent out to deliver and install a new warp core? After the Enterprise gets out of the briar patch and can send subspace signals, of course.
Also, isn't most of the power for the ship supplied by the warp core? Since they ejected the core, have they been running solely on the fusion generators in the impulse drive and the batteries? (Someone get their copy of the tech manual. I lost mine.)
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By Chris Thomas on Tuesday, August 29, 2000 - 06:53 am:
I always assumed they would send a message and get a new warp core delivered, once they were in contact again.
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By Derf on Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 07:21 pm:
The Son'a and Bak'u the same race? Even if they have identical DNA, they have evolved far apart from each other by the looks of it. Even different looking people here on Earth have DNA that is almost indistinguishable, yet we regard each one as a race.
And if true, why then try to reunite them? Is this not a violation of the Prime Directive?
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By John A. Lang on Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 11:29 pm:
The Son'a is what the Bak'u would look like if they didn't live on that "special planet" with the rings on it...in other words, the Son'a are degenerated Bak'u.
Also, Picard asked the Admiral "How about setting separate colonies?" the Admiral said something along the lines of, "The process would takes years and the Son'a want the planet to themselves"
(Not an exact quote, but that's the general idea)
It was then Picard realized that the Son'a wanted the Bak'u off the planet and pointed out that the Admiral was indeed violating the Prime Directive and that's why Picard beamed down to stop the Son'a transport systems and sent Riker to notify Starfleet about what's going on.
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By Derf on Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 12:32 pm:
And then Picard left it up to the Bak'u to decide whether to allow an "offshoot" of their race to return. It is interesting to think that Starfleet will bend the Prime Directive to the level of "race". (instead of a planet-wide interpretation) The Bak'u were no better the owners of that planet than the Son'a were. They were both a product of the planet and should be treated as such. The separate colony thing was probably the best idea put forward.
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By Derf on Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 12:56 pm:
Why doesn't Picard reject his "bionic" heart like Geordi rejects his "bionic" eyes? This nit needs some ruminating over ...
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By Pedantic Pearl on Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:31 pm:
Also, there are more Next Gen folk with cybernetic or high-tech medical implants than chance will allow. No wonder the Borg wants to assimilate the Federation ... much of them already are.
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By Chris Thomas on Friday, September 29, 2000 - 03:01 am:
But their individuality remains - that's the difference.
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By D.W. March on Friday, September 29, 2000 - 05:44 am:
Picard's bionic heart is a replacement for his natural one. Presumably when the surgery was first done, his entire heart was removed and replaced. But Geordi has eyes- they just don't work. So as far as Geordi is concerned, it's just his eyes working as they should. But Picard's heart won't grow back- there's nothing for it to grow from.
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By ScottN on Friday, September 29, 2000 - 10:17 am:
No, the eyes were replaced with bionics in "First Contact".
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By Josh M on Friday, September 29, 2000 - 04:07 pm:
I'm sure they didn't completely take his eyes out. They have been called implants. Maybe the devices were just implanted into his eyes.
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By Chris Thomas on Friday, September 29, 2000 - 10:48 pm:
They might have - if they had no use whatsoever, why keep them? Picard's old heart was probably completely removed, replaced by the artificial one.
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By Derf on Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 11:04 pm:
OK, so bionic replacements or not, if the planet was reverting them to a younger state, wouldn't Picard's heart re-appear as he grew younger? Geordi is another matter. HIS eyes never functioned, did they? No matter how much younger he got, his eyes would not function. It was the DNA soup he was dealt from birth.
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By Derf on Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 11:11 pm:
I've just scanned the "Geordi's Eyes/Picard's Heart" board and have realized this subject has been beat to death. Anyone wanting to know what I asked can go there for info.
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By Padawan Nitpicker on Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 02:08 pm:
There seems to be a problem with the helm/ops uniform colors. Helmsmen wear gold and ops managers wear red, instead of the other way round. I suspect this was because of confusion caused by Geordi being still in engineering (and ops) gold but being at the helm.
Wouldn't the food be replicated and therefore such cautions aren't necessary... of course, they could be repulsed by the similarities or not realise it's replicated or something.
When Picard, Worf and Data are singing Picard gets a word wrong, I think he says "His heart" instead of "his foot". It's corrected when they sing it again, and it's not really a nit, although it would have been if Data had made such an error.
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By Derf on Wednesday, December 06, 2000 - 02:05 pm:
In an ordinary "beam-up" of more than one person, the locked-on criteria is what makes for the successful transport of two or more beings. But in ST4: The Voyage Home, Gillian jumps onto Kirk just as the transporter field begins to distentegrate him. In that case, why doesn't Kirk and Gillian wind-up like Tuvix? (I know this question doesn't belong here, but the ST4 board will not allow adding messages at this time)
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By Derf on Friday, December 15, 2000 - 12:38 pm:
By the way, this movie is the ONLY time Kirk EVER said "Scotty, beam me up". (As close as it gets to the bumper stickers that say "Beam me up, Scotty, there's no intelligent life on this planet".)
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By Tim North on Friday, December 15, 2000 - 11:37 pm:
Wouldn't that be better on an original series board, rather than the one for Insurrection?
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By Derf on Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 06:41 pm:
Yes, it would. Please disregard the last two messages. I'll keep trying to get a message on those boards. And I'll also try to curb my vociferousness, and only post an appropriate message.(Sorry, guys. I had a point to make and HAD to make it, no matter the risk.)
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By Anonymous on Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 01:31 am:
For some reason, Rafa'u (?) looks a lot like
Scarleri from "Amadeus"
Hmm....I wonder why????
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By netrat on Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 10:47 am:
This movie is horribly bad - I mean, look at the choices they had and look what they've made of it. They could have brought the Romulans (love 'em), they could have brought Q (who would have kicked Picard's butt - yesss!), and all they came up was •••••• Data playing in a •••••• haystack. And •••••• Picard falling in love. I'm not sure what's worst.
Anyway, here's a nit:
Since when does a cloaking device work LIKE THAT? When Data started shooting at it, it should have lost energy, and after a while it should have broken down completely, thus revealing the ship. It definitely shouldn't have been punctuated like that!
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By Derf on Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 10:22 pm:
I'm at a loss as to when Data fired at a cloaked ship in this movie. (I cannot view it as yet, since my VCR is on the blink) I remember him firing at a holographic hillside that masked the Son'a and Starfleet eavesdroppers. I remember him firing at a holographic representation inside the holo-vessel that was buried beneath the lake. I just can't remember him firing at a cloaked vessel. Netrat, or someone please fill in the gap for me. (I would be very appreciative)
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By Ratbat on Saturday, April 28, 2001 - 08:58 am:
A few minor little nits...
* When the Enterprise gang are escorting the Bak'u away, Worf has his hair over his shoulder and attributes it to rapid hair growth. No, it's the exact same length, only he hasn't tied it up for some reason.
* So does going away from the rings undo everything it does? Would Anij & Co die? Or would the Bak'u just start aging normally? If not, why the extensive relocation con? And if the rings' power does stay in effect, why is Geordi making speeches about giving up sunsets?
* This one isn't really a technical nit. When Dr Crusher and Troi have the 'firming up' conversation, they shoot him looks that translate to 'go away, you're being very rude by being here'. Don't blame him, he was already there, unsuccessfully trying to hand over the food when these two just started on about their chests! Maybe they need to learn some manners!
* If I was Lieutenant Daniels, I'd start to get annoyed. It happened in First Contact, and it happened here. Here he is, security chief for the USS Enterprise, when Worf pops up for no good reason, waves his Old Crew Tie around, and Daniels has to sit in the corner and knit as long as he's around!
* I understand that stretching Dougherty's skin might cause him a lot of pain, but why does it kill him there and then?
* There can't have been many Bak'u to start with if there's only six hundred after 309 years.
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By Charles Cabe (Ccabe) on Saturday, April 28, 2001 - 10:55 am:
Daniels was probably close friends with Worf, so he wouldn't mind letting his old friend run tactical for a while. (Besides, Daniel's only has to knit for a total of 6 days in 3 years.)
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By John A. Lang on Saturday, May 26, 2001 - 05:22 pm:
I cannot but help wonder how the Oscar Winning F. Murray Abraham felt after finishing the movie.
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By LUIGI NOVI on Saturday, May 26, 2001 - 07:18 pm:
Not the best follow-up to Salieri, but then again, could he have felt much worse than he did after finishing "Last Action Hero"?
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By Brian Fitzgerald on Sunday, May 27, 2001 - 12:52 am:
Well last action hero was a very under-rated movie that the critics tore apart because they were tired of Arnold being on such a hit-streak. Audiences paid no attention to it because it came out within 2 weeks of Jurassic Park the biggest movie of that (and almost any other) year,
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By LUIGI NOVI on Sunday, May 27, 2001 - 03:30 am:
I saw it, and I didn't care for, I don't care what the critics said one way or the other. To each his own, Brian.
By LUIGI NOVI on Friday, June 01, 2001 - 04:12 am:
He began to, but was cut off before he finished his sentence. He said he was at the Manzar colony--(the rest of his speech was obscured by others talking over him), and continued to Picard, "And I heard you—" and was cut off by Picard.
Beats me, but he’s a son of bi+ch in this movie!
Trivia Question: Anthony Zerbe, who plays Admiral Dougherty, is the brother- in-law of the actor who plays which Trek recurring character?(Answer at the end of this movie’s entry.)
Hmmm…and I need some slaves too. Someone get me a copy of the Thirteenth Ammendment and a pair of scissors!
Under nits for The Pegasus, I pointed out how the Treaty of Algeron forbids the Federation from developing cloaking technology, even though hologram technology can be applied as a cloak, as with the duck blind survey stations in the third season’s Who Watches the Watchers. In this movie, a survey station is again using the same technology to mask itself, and in addition, crewman are using isolation suits equipped with the same feature. Moreover, the holoship has a cloak too! Then again, why not? If Admiral Dougherty’s going to eviscerate the Prime Directive, why not the Treaty of Algeron while he’s at it?
What, so he can go beserk inside the station?
When Data goes berserk in the beginning of the episode, why don’t the officers at the survey station beam him back to the station? Don’t they have transporters at the station? It sure would’ve come in handy!
How do you say, "This movie’s a bomb"?
Once again, despite the universal translator, Troi coaches Picard on how to greet the ambassadors of a new Federation member in the beginning of the movie in their own language.
But even in the 24th century, those "Door Close" buttons STILL don’t do anything!
By the way, Phil talked about how we never saw horizontal turbolift tubes. I just noticed now that after Picard, Riker, Troi and Crusher enter the turbolift at the end of the first scene featuring them in the movie, the wall panel inside the turbolift features two graphic indicators showing where in the ship the turbolift car is, and it moves both vertically and horizontally! Well done!
Today IS a good day to ride the coattails of my former show!
Why is Worf on the Enterprise in this movie? In the previous movie, there was a logical reason, but in this one, they don’t even bother trying to provide one. He began to, but was cut off before he finished his sentence. He said he was at the Manzar colony--(the rest of his speech was obscured by others talking over him), and continued to Picard, "And I heard you—" and was cut off by Picard.
Stealing someone else’s job is apparently not considered "dishonorable"
And why does Worf work with Picard on tactical plans to capture Data, and not the Enterprise tactical officer, Daniels? And after being attacked in the holoship by the Son’a, he tells Worf not to release the captured Son’a until he has spoken to Admiral Dougherty. We can assume that perhaps the Enterprise-E’s tactical officer was killed during the Borg Cube battle in the beginning of the last movie, and Picard delegated the responsibilities of that position to Worf temporarily because they were in a crisis situation, and that Picard knew of Worf’s prior experience at that position, and there was no time to decide who to promote from within, but Daniels is the Enterprise’s tactical officer now, and there is no reason even offered to explain Worf’s duties here.
Maybe the screenwriter was high
When reviewing data on the Son’a, Riker refers to ketracel-white as a narcotic. According to The Abandoned(DS9) and Hippocratic Oath(DS9), white is an isogenic enzyme. A narcotic is a drug that produces a narcosis, is taken electively by a user, and is not essential to life. An enzyme, on the other hand, is a protein that acts as a biochemical catalyst, and is essential for life. While the word "addiction" has been used inaccurately to describe the Jem’Hadar’s dependency on white, it is not and addiction. An addiction is a psychological dependency on a substance. Being genetically engineered so as to not produce an otherwise natural substance naturally is more akin to diabetics’ need for insulin, not an addict’s dependency on a drug.
Ah, all you aliens look alike anyway
When Riker first says the Son’a conquered several worlds a half century ago, including El Aura, I thought, didn’t the Borg already beat them to it? The El Aurians had already been conquered by the Borg a century prior to Q Who, according to Guinan’s statement in that episode, which places it a half century before the supposed event by the Son’a that Riker mentions. The El Aurian refugees were already making contact with the Federation when the Enterprise-B saved a group of them, including Guinan, in ST Generations. In addition, that prior episode established that the El Aurians originate 70,000 light years from the Alpha Quadrant. But then, book called The Secrets of Star Trek Insurrection, and discovered from one of the new alien makeup test photographs that the dark-skinned henchman of Ru’afo with the huge cranial extensions who gives the countdown to the collector separation sequence at the end of the movie is of a race called the Ellora. Is this what Riker was talking about? It neutralized the nit I was going to make, but raises a different one instead. The creators shouldn’t have created a species with a name that, while spelled differently in Terran English, sounds phonetically identical to a previously established one. Now technically, the El Aurians have only been referred to as a people, and not by their planet, so their planet could be called El Auria, and not El Aura, making it slightly distinct from Ellora, but it still makes it confusing. Sheesh! You’d think the creators would make the movie easier on us nitpickers!
It’s not the singing that distracts him. It’s the full orchestra in the rear of the shuttle that distracts him
I have to say that I was very disappointed with the writing and direction in this film, especially since Jonathan Frakes and co. did such a great job in the previous movie. While I normally don’t include aesthetic critiques as part of my nits, the poor quality of the writing and directing in this film caused several of the nits mentioned here. Whereas I normally try to list nits in chronological order of when they occur in a story, the following 4 nits are grouped together by their being derived from the confusing writing/directing. First, Why did Picard think that singing a song Data was working on before the survey mission would distract him enough to capture his shuttle? Better yet, why \[}did} it distract him enough? The movie never makes clear why this strategy worked. Are they implying that singing would distract him? That’s absurd. He’s an android, after all! He even told Rasmussen in A Matter of Time that he could listen to 150 pieces of music simultaneously, 10 if studying them aesthetically, or 4 while performing another activity, such as assisting Geordi with a complex calculation. He also told Jenna D’Sora in In Theory that, while kissing her, he was thinking of more than 5 various things. Why would singing distract him from piloting?
Break out the Stridex pads!
Another confusing thing stemming from the writing/directing was the "gorch" on Worf’s face. If I had to guess, I would guess that, in keeping with the "everyone experiencing puberty again" theme, that Worf was experiencing acne, but Worf hadn’t yet gone down to the planet yet at that point! In addition, Picard, before Worf came to bridge and they communicated with Dougherty and Ru’afo over the main viewer, detected the misalignment in the torque sensors, a clue by the creators that his body was beginning to be rejuvenated, before he first went to the surface as well?. Or did they experience exposure from the atmosphere during the shuttle chase? There wasn’t a hull breach in the shuttle, was there? How could the atmosphere have penetrated the hull?
They also cut out the scene with Troi wearing a wet T-shirt
Also, when Data opens the dam to make the water impact on the holoship, rendering it visible, I needed to see this scene twice to understand it. Jonathan Frakes never actually shows the water impacting the ship. We see the water gushing out, the water stop, and then a somewhat-visible ship. The visual connection between the water and the ship being made visible was absent.
Didn’t she see the "Emergency Exit Only" sign?
After Picard, Data and Anij enter the holoship, a panning shot around them after they’re inside shows them in relation to the entrance behind them, and then the camera comes to rest on Picard and Anij. After the Son’a soldier attacks, the shot cuts back to Picard grabbing Anij, as he grabs her and runs with her farther into the holoship, but a subsequent shot shows her falling out of it! How did this happen?
What is this, radio?
Lastly on the directing thread, I thought it a poor decision on the part of Jonathan Frakes not to actually show the warp core ejection, as in Timescape and Day of Honor(VOY). Instead, he has Riker order Geordi to eject it, and Geordi responding, "I just did."
Well, the failsafe "failed" in those episodes, didn’t it?
When Geordi explains the Picard in Engineering what happened to Data, he says that when Data was hit with a Son’a weapon, his failsafe system kicked in, causing his moral and ethical subroutines to take over all his functions, a feature, Geordi says, which is designed to keep anyone from taking advantage from him. If that’s true, why didn’t this failsafe kick in when Lore and the rogue Borg did just this in Descent part I-II? Is it because the failsafe only responds when it detects weapons damage, and didn’t read the negative emotions fed to Data in those episodes as such? Or was this feature only added after those episodes?
Watch those hands, Geordi!
When Geordi reactivates Data in Engineering following his capture, he flips a switch in the back of his head. Datalore and Measure of a Man previously established it to be on his back.
He took some extra-strength Ginko Biloba
When Geordi reactivates Data, Data says he seems to be missing a few memory engrams, at which point Geordi shows him that he removed them. But when Picard asks Data what he lasts remembers, Data first begins singing, meaning he remembers the shuttle chase between himself, Picard and Worf, and then tells Picard that he was observing the Baku children, which occurred when he was zapped. But if he is missing the memory engrams, how can he recall all this?
Maybe she clashed with Genie Francis’ perfume
When Riker goes to Troi, and begins smooching with her, she says, "Yuck," because she says she never kissed him with a beard before. Not true. She kissed him quite passionately while experiencing Alkar’s negative emotions in the episode Man of the People, and again at the end of that episode in the last scene. She also kissed the bearded Tom Riker in Second Chances.
Yes, Anij, that is a phaser in my pocket, and yes, I am happy to see you!
When Picard and his crew first meet the Ba’ku, their weapons are confiscated, but when the Son’a soldier attacks in the holoship, Picard and Data fire back with phasers!
Gee, I don’t remember that constellation being there before…
When Picard, Data and Anij discover the holographic recreation of the Baku village, Picard tells Anij that someone intends to transport the Baku en masse to another planet, without them never knowing it. The creators forgot, as in the episode Homeward, that the stars would be different. They correctly remembered this in that episode, and had Worf tell the Boraalans that the stars would be different, but the Boraalans were still in a stage of cultural development where the supernatural was an accepted part of their lives, and did not have a strong grasp of science. In this movie, however, the creators either forgot about the stars, or they realized that they couldn’t mention it here, because the Baku are warp capable.
He must’ve retrofitted his butt cheeks with liferafts
When Picard and Data rescue Anij from the water, Data says he is designed to act as a flotation device. That’s not what he told Geordi in Descent part II. In it, while experimenting on Geordi, Geordi reminds him of their visit to Nevala Lake, and that when Data tried to go swimming, he sank to the bottom and had to walk over a kilometer along the bottom to the shore, because, according to Data, he did not have enough buoyancy to get to the surface.
No, it’s programmed to read the script
After fending off the attack from the Son’a ambusher, Picard tells the holoship computer to end the program and decloak the ship. Wouldn’t decloaking require more than just a verbal command, and instead a user interface on the bridge? The way it is now, one of the Ba’ku could inadvertently deactivate the program if the Son’a succeeded in capturing them. Or is the computer only programmed to respond to a member of Starfleet?
Let’s see. I have my bathing suit, sandals, extra batteries for my Walkman…my emotion chip. Do I need my emotion chip? What if I feel like having a good cry or laughing at someone’s jokes? Nah.
My impression from ST Generations and ST First Contact was that Data kept his emotion chip permanently in his head, and turned it off during combat, when emotions are an encumbrance. In this film, he doesn’t take it with him on the survey mission. Why is this? Can’t he simply keep it deactivated?
And I’m NOT going to ask how Data knows what a baby’s bottom feels like
Also, does he reinstall it after being captured and reactivated? I ask, because when he feels Riker’s face and shakes his head "no," he grins.
Yeah, be he stopped when he actually saw the film
Data tells Artim that androids do not have fun. Isn’t "fun" an aspect of having emotions? Since Data’s had the emotion chip for four years now, why hasn’t he had fun? Didn’t he have fun laughing in ST Generations when he first understood humor?
Well, it soon WILL be!
During the scene where Picard confronts Dougherty, Dougherty says that the Son’a have the injector technology, and "we," meaning the Federation, have the planet. What does he mean "we?" If the planet belongs to the Baku, then it can’t be a part of Federation space.
Whoever he was, people sure looked at him funny when he said it
Also, when Picard refers to the Son’a as petty thugs, Dougherty says the same was probably said of oil barons before petroleum turned them into world leaders, and the Romulans before warp drive. When Dougherty tells Picard they can handle the Son’a, Picard says that that’s probably what was said of the Romulans a century ago. A century prior to this movie was only 2275, which was in between ST I and ST II. The Romulans achieved warp drive LONG before that. Gambit part II established that the Romulan split from Vulcan society occurred TWO THOUSAND years ago. Who on Earth in 375 AD or so said that they could "handle" a race of aliens that they would not meet for at least another 1700 years?
There…are…FOUR…pips!
After his confrontation with Dougherty, Picard is seen alone, taking off his rank pips. For some reason, when the camera focuses on the table that he placed his rank pips on, there are only three of them instead of four.
He’s one of those people who’s just not into politics
During the Baku exodus from the village, when Dougherty refuses to allow Ru’afo to send armed assault teams to the planet, Ru’afo says that in the past 24 months, every major power has challenged the Federation, including the Borg, the Cardassians and the Dominion. The Cardassians are part of the Dominion. They’re one and the same.
Only when stereotypical Irish people come on board with farm animals
During the Enterprise-Son’a battle, when Geordi tells Riker they’re burning deuterium, he uses a fire extinguisher in Engineering, and again later when a crewman catches fire. Does the automatic fire suppression system described by Worf in the episode Up the Long Ladder EVER work?
Premature ejection: A very embarrasing problem for Chief Engineers
When Riker orders Geordi to eject the warp core, Geordi says, "I just did." Isn’t he supposed to wait for Riker’s order to do so? Cathexis(VOY) established that only Janeway and Chakotay could eject the Voyager’s warp core; the chief engineer could not. On the other hand, Day of Honor(VOY) had a changed premise, when it showed Torres ejecting the core herself. So which is it?
Cool! Can I play Crash Bandaku with that?
When Riker needs manual helm control, a joystick appears! Too bad the Galaxy-class ships didn’t have this feature in ST Generations. It might have prevented the ship from crashing onto Veridian III when helm control went offline.
The light off Patrick Stewart’s head kept blinding the cameraman in the close up
After Picard and Anij are captured with isolinear tags, Picard tells Admiral Dougherty that he will welcome a court martial. In the trailer for this movie, the camera is on Patrick Stewart’s left, with him in close-up as he says this, but in the movie itself, the camera is in the foreground, over Anthony Zerbe/Admiral Dougherty’s shoulder, with Picard and Anij in the background.
Well, at least he’s not calling me "Hey, you" like last week
When Sojef demands to know what Ru’afo’s name was a century ago when he and the others tried to take over the colony, he asks if he was Golna or Roteen. Ru’afo dismisses Sojef’s words, saying that those names and children are gone forever, but when he subsequently orders the collector activated with the Baku still on the planet, he addresses Galatin as Golna.
Just give all the Baku a copy of the script
I pointed out under nits for Homeward how Nikolai told Worf that he transported the Boraalans to the holodeck while they slept to prevent them from knowing they were being transported, then transported them down to their new planet at the end of the episode while they were still awake. The same problem occurs at the end of this movie when Picard transfers Ru’aof and the Son’a onto the holoship, apparently, without their knowing it until they notice the inconsistent instruments and the malfunctioning hologrid.
"For Klingon, press the red button."
"For Romulan, press the blue button."
"If you’re Captain Picard, and you here to destroy the Collector and kill Ru’afo before the Enterprise beams you off at last second before the Collector explodes in a giant fireball, please press the yellow button. Thank you."
Admiral Dougherty says the metaphasic particle collection technology is the Son’a’s, and that the Federation can’t duplicate it, but the countdown on both the Son’a ship and the the Collector array at the end of the movie is in Terran numerals.
"I’m sorry, Picard is busy trying to destroy the Collector, but if you leave your name, rank, serial number and a brief message, he’ll get back to you right before the Collector explodes."
Akihiro Matsumoto of Tokyo, Japan pointed out that Riker contacts Picard toward the end of the movie when Picard is on the collector, even though Picard doesn’t have a comm badge.
If he starts bumping into stuff, we’ll know
Does Geordi retain his natural eyesight after leaving the Baku planet? He says he doesn’t know if it’ll last, which is probably the creators’ way of explaining why he won’t be able to keep his gift after this movie, since the fans like his superior artificial eyes, but why would they not remain? The metaphasic effect might make his optic nerve regenerate, but once it’s there, it’s there. There’s nothing to suggest that the nerve requires constant exposure to the radiation in order to remain, any more than damaged skin would require constant exposure to a dermal regenerator once it’s back to normal.
I’ll bet Kirk told his ladies the same thing
At the end of the movie, Picard tells Anij he has 813 days of accumulated shore leave and plans to use them to spend time with her. Tell that to Neela Daren. Didn’t Picard tell her more or less the same thing at the end of Lessons? It’s probably the metagenic-induced puberty thing affecting him again.
-Trivia Answer: Salome Jens, who plays the female Founder on DS9. They’re brother and sister-in-law.
By John A. Lang on Sunday, June 03, 2001 - 05:50 pm:
NIT: Riker kisses Troi and shares a "session" with her in the hot tub.
The Nit?
SHE'S MINE! HANDS OFF, RIKER! SHE'S MINE!
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By LUIGI NOVI on Sunday, June 03, 2001 - 11:40 pm:
No way, man! I saw her first! SHE'S MINE!
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By Peter Stoller on Friday, June 29, 2001 - 09:39 pm:
If you've got a CLOAKED holoship why are you hiding it at the bottom of a reservoir near the very people you're hiding it from? Shouldn't it be parked in orbit?
The Sona guard on board the holoship gets the drop on them but misses (of course); when he gets shot he falls of the roof in a very "wild west show" style. (And off to the side all the tourists are applauding.)
Making "this moment" last indefiitely won't bring your rescuers any sooner, it'll only delay them further.
Why does that unmanned collector array have life support and artificial gravity? (So the actors can play on it lke a big jungle gym, I suppose.)
More nits to come.
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By Andreas Schindel on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 05:25 am:
Before the Enterprise beams Picard from the exploding station it races against the fireball. Nice scenes, but WHY?? The Transporter range is 40000 kilometers.
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By Lolar Windrunner on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 09:02 pm:
Maybe when they got bounced around in the battle in the briar patch they lost the range booster thingamagjiggie.
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By John A. Lang on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 09:41 pm:
NAW...they did it because it looked cool!
(Everyone knows that!)
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By Meg on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 09:40 am:
Luigi Novi:
On Picards Pips---He did have four pips in the letterbox version, but in the pan-in-scan you can only see three.
On Shore Leave---You said that Picard had 813 days of shore leave. My, that's a lot of days. I thought he said that he had 318 days of leave. I could be wrong though.
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By Lolar Windrunner on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 07:39 pm:
Well yeah BILC was the real reason, I was trying to make an in game solution to the question. I am the weakest link, goodbye! :-)
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By Will on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 11:12 am:
Are you guys sure he didn't have 47 days of leave? Or 447? :-)
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By cableface on Friday, November 02, 2001 - 06:30 pm:
I know i put this on one of the other baords, but no-one seems to know; Did they ever explain what actually happened to the Son'a to make them look like that?
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By Brian Fitzgerald on Friday, November 02, 2001 - 06:55 pm:
I though it was the drugs they were taking to prolong their lives.
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By LUIGI NOVI on Friday, November 02, 2001 - 10:06 pm:
And that funky "Cher Machine."
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By Anonymous on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 08:09 pm:
The joystick is actually made by Gravis. I have one which is exactly the same. The buttons are in the same position, colours and all. I wonder if Paramount credited them? Or maybe Gravis didn't notice?
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By Electron on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 08:50 pm:
Somebody with the video should check the movie's credits. Maybe there is a "Joystick supplied by...".
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By Robbie d on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 01:02 am:
In the scene when Riker and Troi are researching the Son'a, when Riker reads about the Tarlac(Sounds like Sarlac) and he Ellora, there is a graphic of double helixes by each, supposedly their DNA. Logically, they would have also seen the Son'a DNA. Surprise! It is identical to the Bak'u, who the Federation should have information on, since 1. They are in Federation Space 2. The duck blind mission was for the purpose of getting information about them! Also, what good would a diagram of the respective species' DNA do for an observer? (I know, BILC)
Why does that lieutenant in the duck blind say "That's an order" to Data? He outranks her!
Lastly, Why does the federation need a holoship? Does it have warp drive? How can it lift off from under water and go into space? Speaking of that, How can shuttles fly in the atmosphere? Most don't look too aerodynamic, and how do their impulse and warp engines work in atmospheric conditions?
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By lolar Windrunner on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 11:29 am:
The way I understood it shuttles and other non-aero craft fly through an atmosphere by sheer brute force. The antigravity (repulserlift) drives combined with the thrusters or impulse engines are what gives them their flight abilities. I don't know about the warp drive as that seems to me to be a very bad thing to do to a planet's atmosphere. Also in the novels going to warp in a planet's atmosphere does some very bad things to the ozone layer and the auroa, or it is not possible to go to warp that deep in a gravity well in some books. There shouldn't be a problem with being underwater. A craft capable of starflight in the trek universe should be quite ok underwater. Look at the sea shuttle from that voyager episode, there was an Animated Series episode involving a sea shuttle and several novels (including Deep Domain) have undersea capable spacecraft.
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By Sophie Hawksworth on Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 02:26 pm:
Plus Voyager can fly in fluidic space (Scorpion), and TOS Enterprise can fly inside organic fluid (The Immunity Syndrome).
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By Jesse Dequin on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 11:23 am:
You know what I think? I have not been extremely impressed with the 3 NG movies. I mean, they're good to watch now, but I remember being absolutely enthralled when I saw STII, STIII, STV, and STVI. I talked about them for weeks. The problem is that the production people are all the same as the people for Next Gen. They learned their stuff on a TV series and now apply the same rules of storywriting to the movies. TOS's movies were done by entirely different people.
Roddenberry was involved with TMP, and it was a bomb. Why? B/c he was a TV guy doing a movie. Nick Meyer, Robert Sallin, and Harve Bennett did STII and it was the best film ever. The point: if Trek is going to do a movie, get movie people to do it. That's why I'm looking forward to STX: they have recruited movie people to write and direct it.
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By Lolar Windrunner on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 11:30 am:
Wasn't Harve Bennet a TV guy?
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By Merat on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 07:58 am:
Yes Lolar, among other things, he did "The MOD Squad", "The Six Million Dollar Man", "The Bionic Woman", "The Invisible Man"(what a horrible series!), and "Time Trax".
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By Lolar Windrunner on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 02:41 pm:
I know. I was being a bit rhetorical for Jesse's benefit. Sometimes I just feel like being a smartaleck. Sorry about that.
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By LUIGI NOVI on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 01:21 am:
They just don’t make stone like they used to
At the Movie Mistakes page for the movie at http://www.movie-mistakes.co.uk/film.php?filmid=1225, it’s pointed out that in the beginning of the movie, after the Starfleet officers begin exchanging phaser fire with Data, a group of Baku kids run across a stone bridge over a stream. The bridge bends under the weight of the children.
You should see them when they have to share a bed
Movie Mistakes also pointed out that when Picard, Data, and Anij set off toward the holoship on the raft, Data is on Anij’s right, and Picard on her left, but they magically switch places after they open the holoship door.
Not to mention the fact that having an armed Son’a firing a weapon inside a ship you want to use to transport a bunch of Baku isn’t the sharpest idea in the world
Movie Mistakes also pointed out that during the firefight in the holoship, Picard and Data shoot the Son’a guarding the ship, and he falls behind the fountain. Picard orders the program to end, but the Son’a is no longer there when the hologram disappears. Shouldn’t his body still be there? It’s doubtful that he was holographic, since Data said the ship was a Federation ship, and the guard was Son’a.
Hey Moses, knock it off, will ya? We’re trying to shoot a movie here!
Movie Mistakes also pointed out that Picard, Data and Anij step from the raft onto the holoship easily, but when Anij falls out, she falls about 2 or 3 meters, as do Data and Picard when they jump in after her. The water level didn’t drop that fast, did it?
Geordi: "And get me some better dubbing while you’re at it!"
Movie Mistakes pointed out that right after the Enterprise detonates their warp core into the subspace tear, Geordi sprays a crew member with his extinguisher yells, "Get me a medic over here!", but his lips don’t move.
Yeah, because guys who like to stretch their skin over their faces and design their ships to look like horseshoes are so careful about their well being
I found this one: Geordi then tells Riker that there’s nothing to prevent the Son’a from firing another isolitic burst, and that they’re fresh out of warp cores. But is this really a tactical likelihood? The rift is attracted to a ship’s warp core. Since the Enterprise no longer has one, wouldn’t the Son’a be endangering themselves more than the Enterprise, since they still have their warp cores?
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By Peter Stoller on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 10:02 pm:
The cloaked holoship has no business being at the bottom of a reservoir except to be discovered there, right? If they were actually hiding it, it should be in outer space.
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By Steve C on Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 02:41 pm:
Troi has never kissed Riker with a beard before?? I suppose that's true because we never have seen Troi with a beard before.
What the heck was this movie all about anyway?
I'm not really convinced that this was an "Insurrection" in so much as the So'na and the fatally overstretched Adm. Daugherty seemed to be running something of a rogue operation away from the prying eyes of Starfleet Command.
Is it really an insurrection when you're rebelling against rogues who, themselves, are not being completely honest with headquarters?
Also, how the heck did they install that duckblind without any of the Ba'ku noticing?
I mean that thing was pretty big and centrally located... one would think that in order to carve away that much rock, replace it with the control center and then disguise the entire thing behind some sort of holographic forcefield that precisely matched the rock face before they started, would be a somewhat significant undertaking, would it not?
Where were the Ba'ku while all this was going on?
The dreaded curse is still in full swing, it seems. The curse that says every other film will be poor, incase you havn't heard. Insurrection tries so hard to snatch us away from the impending doom we felt in the excellently enjoyable First Contact, and I don't know why. The film is basically like a long episode, and doesn't even have the grand scale of epicness that featured in Generations.
In my opinion, it's a true family flick, for Mum, Dad and even Aunty Maureen, if she happens to glance at the telly from her knitting. That's why I have a problem with it. Too much softly does it.
I've seen more exciting episodes of "The Waltons"!
But to be fair, It's chilled and mellow if that's the kinda mood you're in, and I love the scenery and location shoots in the mountains of what looks to me like Canada. Truely lovely!
But when it comes to space battles, I find Star trek usually fails to deliver. And so is the case here.
What the heck is the flagship of the Federation doing running away from these S'ona idiots? It's the best dammned ship ever built and can probably take on a Borg Cube but again, Riker has to out-think the enemy instead if getting stuck in with a barrage of Quantum Torpedoes. Have these people never heard of the Enterprise? When kirk had it, everyone ran. Everyone cowered in the corner. The Enterprise was a bad-ass ship. What's gone wrong?
And what's that steering column joystick thingy all about? Nobody has ever used one of those before, and i find it unlikely that Starfleet only just thought of it. And why doesn't anybody ever use one for shuttlecrafts? To me it would be easier and alot more fun!
And does anyone else agree that it's beginning to look a little strained that Worf always happens to be on hand to rejoin the crew? I just wonder what their excuse will be for the next film as now he's supposed to be Ambassador to Kronos. I dont think he'd be showing the proper devotion to his role if he just hops off for weeks every time the Enterprise passes by.
I'll finnish by saying that i hope they learn from this one, but if the curse is real, the next one will be so much better anyhow.
It may have been mentioned but how did Data get shot if he was in an isolation suit? We see him take the helmet off and it looked like there was no damage to it. If he was shot near the holoship, perhaps with his helmet off, why would he put it back on?
Someone up above mentioned that the Son'a had conquered El Aura, but according to the Encyclopedia it was the Ellora.
I agree, there were things that didn't make sense in this movie. But it had its pleasant moments.
It was awfully convenient for the holodeck to have that little flaw that let the Son'a know they were on a holodeck.
I'd like to ask about the Troi/Riker scene. Troi says, "Yuck!" because she's never kissed Riker with a beard before, then she shoves him out the door.
Maybe she forgot about the times she had kissed him; it had been several years. But I'm not sure "yuck" would be the appropriate response, since that implies disgust. What's so disgusting about it? A better response might have been something to imply discomfort, maybe the hair was too scratchy.
And then why does she shove him out the door? It looks to me like she's rejecting him, throwing him out, because she doesn't like kissing him with a beard. I don't think that's what the director intended. It looked rather strange.
She's laughing as she shoves him out the door. I'm confused.
And then there's a closeup where she's tossing something in her hand. What is it? We don't see it long enough to get a good look at it.
Geordi is thrilled about getting natural eyes because he'd always felt different, like an outsider. And maybe he likes the way his natural eyes feel, different.
And I looked at the clocks during the various countdowns; sometimes the timing was correct, sometimes it wasn't.
How they installed the duckblind without anyone noticing--they used the transporter; they beamed out a hollow space inside the rock, and they beamed out that material to some isolated spot elsewhere on the planet. Then they beamed in the equipment.
Data tells Artim androids don't have fun; he has had fun, but he was only referring to androids in general, and wanted to tell him what most androids are like. It would have been interesting, and more sensible, if Data had told Artim about his emotion chip. Maybe he did at some point but there wasn't time in the movie to show everything.
Somebody wondered why Troi had to teach Picard the alien language when they had the UT; these aliens just like hearing others use their language. It shows Picard is willing to make the effort.
About the stone bridge--maybe it wasn't really stone, they just made it look like stone just for fun.
Picard and Data shoot the Son’a guarding the ship, and he falls behind the fountain. Picard orders the program to end, but the Son’a is no longer there when the hologram disappears. Shouldn’t his body still be there? It’s doubtful that he was holographic, since Data said the ship was a Federation ship, and the guard was Son’a.
Maybe the phaser didn't hit him very hard and he woke up unusually quickly and then ran away when we were looking elsewhere?
Admiral Daugherty dies in the skin-stretching machine--he didn't die of the skin stretching, the machine was on at full power and it stretched his skull, blood vessels, etc. That's what killed him. Fortunately we didn't have to see it.
John A. Lang wanted to know why Picard's hair didn't grow back--well, Patrick Stewart started to go bald at age 19; maybe Picard was born bald and stayed bald.
Troi was teasing Riker, which is why she said "Yuck" and laughed as she pushed him out the door.
Also, the ship was Federation, but was being programed and run by the Son'a.
She's laughing as she shoves him out the door. I'm confused. - roger
Little boys often pull the pigtails of girls they like.
maybe Picard was born bald and stayed bald. - roger
Except we saw Picard with hair in a flashback once. Whether this was his real hair or part of his Franklyn Mint Captain Kirk Collection is debatable.
Darth Sarcasm notes:
Except we saw Picard with hair in a flashback once. Whether this was his real hair or part of his Franklyn Mint Captain Kirk Collection is debatable.
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He also had hair in "Rascals."
The episode with the flashback was Violations(TNG).
During the phasor fight in the holoship, the Son'a was on top of a building. Suppose Picard had ordered the program to end...?
OK, I know the creators didn't want to do that, but I had fun imagining it.
The holoship is of Federation design, so why is nobody concerned that it has a cloak?
Near the end, if they can beam the Son'a onto the holoship, why not just beam the leader to the planet and shoot him?
Andreas Schindel asked why the Enterprise races along the exploding collector to beam Picard up. It's a good nit, but I wonder if it has something to do with the earlier assertion that you have to get between the collector's shield generators in order to beam through its shields.
I'm sure Picard is concerned it has a cloak, Sophie. That's probably just one more thing that ticked him off about the entire imbroglio.
And what about the scene that Q showed Picard in Tapestry? (You know, the one where the Naussican's wig comes off)
This has reached 100k so on to Pt. 2