During the Dominion peace talks and while Worf was still a starfleet Lt. Cmdr, but there were no peacre talks before the last DS9 episode and after the episode, Worf becomes an ambassador!
So when does the movie occur?
During the Dominion Peace Talks. I hate to say it but by making Worf an ambassador now, they have clearly defined when the movie took place.
Lets consider the current situation in Kosovo for a moment. There have been peace talks conducted there for the last several weeks by TPTB but the bombing didnt stop until this morning.
Now, that was far fetched. Although my explanation fits the facts of the show it does not seem consistent with the character of the female shapeshifter.
Question: Are we all under the impression that the signing of that treaty took place within just a few days of the Victory at Cardassia Prime? If indeed, a week or 3 has passed then perhaps the events of Star Trek Insurrection happen b/w ....never mind that is pretty far stretched. I am anxious to hear what others think about this too.
Aloha,
ROBMAN
There could have been other peace talks that occurred prior to the Dominion's surrender.
When did they mention "peace talks" in the movie? I thought they only mentioned "Dominion negotiations." Wouldn't Insurrection have taken place about when it aired, during DS9's seventh season?
You are right, Nathan- they only mentioned negotiations, presumably FOR peace talks, but not peace talks themselves.
As to the subject of this board, it must have take place during the last season of DS9. We know this because on DS9 Damar mentioned the Son'a and a white-producing facility that they ran. Since in the movie the Federation wanted to get on the Sona's good side (and failed) they must have allied themselves with the Dominion after the movie, resluting in Damar's comment.
Aaron, you're probably right, but remember there WERE no negotiations with the Dominion until the last episode. And if the movie happens after the last episode, what's Worf doing there?
Lt.Cmdr. Worf may have been doing one last mission before he became an ambassador. Remember,
in the episode "Future Imperfect" from Next Gen Picard and Troi were an ambassador and his diplomatic aide, yet they still went by their Starfleet rank.
Wait a minute that isn't right-according to the movie the war was still going on during Insurrection.
Weren't there peace talk during the DS9 episode "Stastical Probabilities"?
I think there were some sort of negotiations, although not exactly peace talks. They said "negotiations" during the movie, though, so we might have a winner here.
The could have been hostage negotiations. Also, didn't we see some kind of negotiations in on of the mutant episodes ("Statistical Probabilities")?
It all comes of there not having been a log entry establishing the stardate- a growing trend in Star Trek obviously sparked off by the creators so that they would not land themselves in any continuity pot-holes as they often did when they used stardates! (Wink wink)
I first posted this on The Show Board, but it might apply here.
If you pause the tape, or DVD, after the Admiral 'hangs up', there are some numbers on the screen that look kind of like a Stardate (it was tough to tell on my TV screen). Both times the last 5 digits on the screen reads 52855. Maybe it's just the communicator ID numbers, but it does look like a Stardate.
That stardate puts it between "Extreme Measures" (52645.7) and "The Dogs of War" (52861.3)
Ru'afo-- "In the past 24 months the Federation has been challenged by every major power in the quadrant: the Borg, the Cardassians, the Dominion. They all smell the scent of DEATH on the Federation."
Insurrection takes place less than 24 months after First Contact if this statement is accurate.
SIDE NOTE: Two of the races that Ru'afo mentions aren't even from the Alpha Quadrant. The Borg are in the Delta Quadrant and the Dominion is in the Gamma Quadrant. Oh well.
Why "oh well"?
Both those forces attacked the Federation in Federation space. Ru'afo would have known about it.
As of today Star Trek: Insurrection is one years old, my, how fast does time fly? Interestingly, this is the movie that encouraged me to visit this site as I was anxious to know what other fans thought of the movie and wanted to see what nits were pointed out.
Well now you know.
I do hope to hear from you again!
About a year after FIRST CONTACT,or(and I know
I am violating the Nit Picker's Prime Directive
here,but since Phil can do it...)some time following the PLANET X novel.:)
Note it has to have been at least a year as they
obviously had time to find replacements for the
crew members who had been assimilated during
FIRST CONTACT.
Maybe they were negotiating with some races to ally against the Dominion?
I think that it took place during the DS9 episode where Nog came back to DS9 after getting a new leg.
In "Penumbra" they mentioned that the Son'a base was detected (they most likely ment the one in "Insurrection"), so "Insurrection" probably takes place right before The Final Chapter.
Did Worf actually mention why he was on the Enterprise?
When we see Worf for the first time, Picard asks him, "Mr. Worf, what the h*** are you doing here?" Worf then begins to explain, but it's lost in the background to other dialogue.
"Insurrection" premiered during DS9's seventh season--in other words, right in the middle of the Dominion War. Personally, I think it was sloppy that there was no explanation as to why Starfleet's "most advanced starship" was galavanting around the Briar Patch in the middle of a war.
They went there to retrieve Data.
Still I see what Steavis meant. Why was the Enterprise , A top of the line Battlecruiser, off doing something a Galaxy or other more non-combative class of vessal would have been better suited to? Unless the area of space that the Brier Patch and the Turtlings (Forgot what the aliens at the begining were called) was near contested space and the Federation was showing the flag so as to make the diplomatic channels perfectly clear to all interested parties it would make better sense to have the Enterprise on a more strategicly/tactically important mission. On the third hand maybe the enterprise was being held in reserve and the whole area where Insurrection took place is a holding area and the diplomatic mission is just make do to keep Picard and Crew from being bored. Until Data goes nuts that is. Very cool movie from a special fx POV but as a movie or part of the trekverse then I just don't know. I ranked it with Generations. Cheese puff moviemaking.
Wasn't Enterprise specifically sent to retrieve Data bacause he was malfunctioning and the crew was the most qualified to deal with a rampaging android?
David Young
Lolar, the Enterprise-E is, for the umpteenth time, NOT a warship, battleship, or battlecruiser, nor is there any evidence that it is, or that, despite it being "the most advanced ship in the fleet", is necessarily that much more "combatative" than the Galaxy class, which is also near top of the line. Starfleet, except in time of war, or when designing a ship for a specific enemy, as the Defiant class was designed for the Borg, doesn't believe in warships. There has never been any dialogue or other evidence that the Sovereign class is specifically a battleship, and the Federation was not at war when it was designed and built.
Lolar: the Turtlings (Forgot what the aliens at the begining were called)
Luigi Novi: They weren't named onscreen, but Troi referred to the female leader Picard had to dance with as "the Regent Cue-zar". (I don't know the spelling, so I spelled 'Cue-zar" phonetically.)
Anony the Mouse: Did Worf actually mention why he was on the Enterprise?
Luigi Novi: He said he was at the Manzar colony doing something to/with the "defense perimeter", and continued, "And I heard you--". I can't tell exactly what he said, because he was being talked over, and he didn't finish because he was cut off, but I'm assuming it was war-related.
I can't believe I missed this one until now: After sending Dougherty Data's schematics, Picard tells an ensign to go to the Galley and tell the Chef to skip the fish course. The Enterprise E has a Galley and chef!
Well after looking at the schematics, no families, advanced propulsion and defensive systems, supierior sensor technologies and other items it certainly falls under what I would class as a battlecruiser. As for it being built during peace time, several US Naval Vessals have been designed and built during peace time, but for the next war to put it as my uncle says. Look at the Seawolf class sub. More advanced than the 688 but definately a warship. I draw the parrallels. Of course I also see Starfleet as a Military organization but that is a totally different discussion altogether. That definately is part of my perception of the military design of these vessals. Also I thought the Galaxy class was a big bloated piece of crud that should have been called the pacific princess and assigned to Captain Steubing. Just my personal opinion as well as part of my gaming group. Except for Major Tom who happens to love it. Oh well to each their own.
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I finished Lies Across America Yesterday. I don't quite know what to say about things. I had been to some of these places and never even thought about it. Definately have to go back and tack another look. Do you know if the email address given for Loewen is still valid? I was wanting to write him a letter.