In the battle where the mirror Defiant is shooting the Klingon Battleship it flies under it and phaser beams shoot out the round holes on the side of the Defiant, according to the DS9 tech manual these are plasma vents, since the mirror O'Brien built an exact copy of our Defiant these should be plasma vents as well
The same problem crops up in every mirror universe episode.A totally different reality, with a totally different history would not cause exactly the same group of people to be at the same place.There's a war going on.If one different person had been killed maybe 20 years ago, it could change the whole group.
Yeah, and they shouldn't all look the same as in our reality. In Mirror,Mirror, you could just about get away with saying that the empire started during the lifetime of Kirk, but by the DS9 episodes, it's just getting stupid- it means that the same two people met and fell and love and procreated at exactly the right moment, so that the correct sperm ferilized the correct egg. And that applys for ten or so characters!
In this episode, the station is no longer orbiting Bajor. Have they discovered the wormhole? If not, what posessed them to move the station?
This episode is in the mirror universe. Where they haven't discovered the wormhole.
I think what JC was saying was that when we saw the Alt. DS9, we should have seen Bajor in the background. I assume he is correct in saying that it doesn't appear because I don't remember.
I don't remember either, but it is reasonable to assume the humans would move it away from Bajor for the obvious security reasons when they took it over.
If they moved it towards the worm hole or not could be an interesting story of course. Remember in the alternate time line nobody knows about the worm hole. Suppose, for instance, alt. O'Brien is one day scanning over the reports he copied from our universe, and in reading these reports he finds out about the Dominion. Suppose he then flies into Dominion territory and applies, in humanities name, to join the Dominion like Dukat did in our universe for the purpose of liberating Earth. It would, IMO, make an interesting juxtapose of how one man's conqueror is another's liberator.
Of course it also raises an interesting moral problem for the Bajorians. If they're as religous in the alt. time line (that is, thinking of the worm hole aliens as "the prophets") then they got some real explaining to do about killing alt. Sisko (the emissary), who is half prophet.
Would he be considered the 'Emissary'? It didn't look like the Bajorans were as religious as the Bajorans are in our universe.Maybe the worship the 'Pah'waiths'.
Just a compliment for the creators: with the Defiant shots during the massive battle (which was VERY nice), the alt-Defiant didn't have any registery details, meaning the creators shot a whole new lot of scenes rather than re-using stock shots.
The collar locked on Garak is the same one Tosk
wore when he got captured..
(Due to a very long debate about the kiss between
Alt-Ezri and Alt-Kira, that message board is
no longer taking posts, there for I'll post
my nit about the 4th alt-universe DS9 episode
here)
At the end of the episode, they show alt-DS9
orbiting a planet. I assume it was Bajor. If
so, why was it put back there? Did the rebels
conquer Bajor?
When did Terok Nor in the mirror universe ever leave orbit of Bajor? It was built there. Was it moved in the 7th season mirror episode? I only saw part of that.
I response to Nathan K's nit:
It would defently be wise to move it away
from Bajor. I assume O'brian did snag the
prcedure to move the alt-DS9 from orbit
and a very high speed from DS9's database
when he got the plans for the Defiant.
I wantt to add that it did appear that
the station was orbiting Bajor in the 7th season, though
it may have been a rebel planet. They never did
say whether it was Bajor or not.
Well, getting the station to a completely different _star system_ would be quite a trick. If the show never said they moved the station, it's still orbiting Bajor.
In this episode, Bajor was nowhere in sight
of the station, but they never did mention moving
it. Maybe O'brian one day descided to take it for a
joy ride ;)
Re. all these nits about the same people in these alternate episodes:
true, but why else would they call it the MIRROR UNIVERSE?
The Star Trek universe, never once called this the mirror universe. It was always referred to as the alternate universe, at least on the show.
After the scene in which O'Brien says "I must remember that one" (refering to the "pattern delta" maneuver), we see Jake and Jennifer Sisko with Kira behing them as they walk in the corridors... Watch as the station shakes and Jennifer starts to pretend she's been pushed by the shaking...
The way she shakes is so ridiculous u can see Kira, behind, bent over laughing at how funny Jennifer shaked... And then Kira, as she regains her posture from the laughing, says "not only do u guarantee.....": U can still notice a hint of laughter in her voice as she says "not only".... BIG NIT.
Best seen in slow motion because u can clearly see Kira bending in laughter as Jennifer shakes the way she does... Then hear her tone as she says "not only" in normal speed... Or better yet, just look at how Jennifer shakes in that scene.. that alone is a nit!
I'm surprised they didn't redo the scene: Jennifer shaking in a funny matter, Kira, in reaction, laughing... and ALL kept as the final cut for the episode.
Why was Sisko chosen instead of O'Brien? O'Brien after all is the Chief Engineer and mechanical miracle worker.
Was Smiley wearing one of Quark's old vests?
Didn't Smiley once say he hated being called Smiley?
Supposedly Smiley downloaded plans for the Defiant, before O'Brien had fixed some of the problems in it, but Through The Looking Glass comes 16 episodes after The Search which was the last time I remember hearing about the Defiant having problems.
Since Sisko knows how to fix the problem, why does he think it will take the same amount of time to fix the alt-Defiant? Presumably a lot of that time was spent trying out different 'solutions'.
It's a real shame they didn't make the alt-Defiant look more homemade with a mess of Bajoran, Cardassian & Klingon parts.
Did the Terrans take over just Terok Nor, or did they also take over Bajor? IIRC in the first Mirror Universe story for this series, they said that Bajor was a part of the Alliance. So why aren't Bajorans attacking the station? If the Terrans did conquer Bajor, then why aren't they using Bajoran spaceships?
Why was the Intendant being taken past the Defiant docking port? Haven't the Terrans heard of Security Precautions?
The Terran raiders look like they were bought from the Cylons of Battlestar Galactica.
Either Nog is tougher than he looks, or that guard was poorly chosen.
When pulling away from the station, Sisko orders "aft thrusters." Wouldn't bow thrusters be more effective in pulling away from the station?
One Klingon Bird of Prey took several shots from the Defiant before blowing up, but later the Terran raider destroys one with just one shot. I thought the Defiant was supposed to be more powerful than all the other ships?
Why did Darth (sorry Regent) Worf, not get the Alliance fleet in order erlier. The Terrans have apparently been at the station a while ( theyve built a warship from scratch there, by the time Benny boy arrives.). Doesnt it make more sense that the Alliance would attack the moment that the station fell, or did they underestimate the Rebels and did not consider a terran run Terok nor an immediate threat?
The Klingon officer under Worf says the Defiant has new "improved photon torpedoes." I take this to mean quantum torpedoes, yet in the episode the ship only fires photons, and only one at a time (our Defiant usually fired them two at a time).
One other thing that translates to ALL the mirror universe shows on DS9:
alt-Benjamin Sisko shouldn't even be BORN in the alt-universe...the Prophets hadn't made him their Emissary in that universe, so there wouldn't have been a reason for his "mother" to take corporeal form to have him.
Then again, it is likely that in the Mirror Universe alt-Sarah is just a simple human being and not a Prophet. She and alt-Joseph Sisko may have been additional captives in the area who begat alt-Benjamin at some point.
Perhaps alt-Bajor does not have any sort of military or other armed force- they did say in the other mirror episodes that Terrans had occupied Bajor- perhaps instead of building up their own military they joined the Alliance for protection(which was the station until the Terrans took it over) and they figured that would be enough. So perhaps Bajor does not have the means to take the station back.
ONCE AGAIN---NOBODY from "our universe" made any attempt to rescue Sisko & Jake from the mirror-universe. I guess nobody is worth saving on DS9.
I'm sorta glad this is the last "mirror" episode..it seems to have run out of gas
Uhm... kind of a SPOILER... but...
There are two more mirror episodes:
"Resurrection" in Season 6 and "The Emperor's New Cloak" in Season 7.
John A. Lang: NOBODY from "our universe" made any attempt to rescue Sisko & Jake from the mirror-universe. I guess nobody is worth saving on DS9.
How do you know that they didn't try and fail? I'm pretty sure after the first five minutes, the entire ep takes place in the mirror universe.
Dan--My mistake. Haven't gotten those discs yet.
Josh--Good point.
It's only a shame that this wasn't the last mirror universe episode.
The Star Trek universe, never once called this the mirror universe. It was always referred to as the alternate universe, at least on the show.
Except that the titles of most of the Mirror Universe episodes included the word "Mirror."
By 'most of', you mean...two.
I 4, if you include 2 parters Mirror Mirror, In a Mirror Darkly 1/2 & Shattered Mirror. Also DS9 did Through the Looking Glass, and "looking glass" is another, rather old name for a mirror.
Oh, righty, yes...sorry, I gave up on Star Trek from Voyager onwards and so Enterprise just wasn't figuring when I wrote that.
You have my permission to sterilise me.
Regarding nits about the unlikelyness of the same people being in the same places in both universes. There is a theory that there are infinite realities. Thus all things are possible.
The Chief already mentioned the lack of the "bubble effect" regarding shields; however, when alt - Jadzia and Bashir show up at the end Sisko tells them to concentrate on their forward shields, but they seem to be targeting weapons all over the ship.
Before Sisko, O'Brian, and Kira attempt to beam over to the alternate universe Kira, opens a weapons locker and grabs three Federation phasers, including one for herself. To my knowledge, this is the only time she doesn't use a Bajoran phase-disruptor as her sidearm.
It's so nice that alt-Kira's weapon was on the dramatic death setting so alt-Jennifer could die in a way the other Jen should have.
Why was Sisko chosen instead of O'Brien? O'Brien after all is the Chief Engineer and mechanical miracle worker.
Sisko helped design the Defiant when he worked at Utopia Planitia after Wolf 359. That info might be in the plans.
KAM: Didn't Smiley once say he hated being called Smiley?
And you think that would stop everyone from calling him that? He probably just got used to it.
KAM: One Klingon Bird of Prey took several shots from the Defiant before blowing up, but later the Terran raider destroys one with just one shot. I thought the Defiant was supposed to be more powerful than all the other ships?
Maybe it was already damaged.
inblackestnight: To my knowledge, this is the only time she doesn't use a Bajoran phase-disruptor as her sidearm.
I seem to remember her using one in the seventh season. Particularly in The Dogs of War and the finale. Maybe I'm wrong though. It's been a while, so those might have been Cardassian weapons.
Why was Sisko chosen instead of O'Brien? O'Brien after all is the Chief Engineer and mechanical miracle worker.
Sisko helped design the Defiant when he worked at Utopia Planitia after Wolf 359. That info might be in the plans.
Not to mention that he's probably easier to lure.
The Star Trek universe, never once called this the mirror universe. It was always referred to as the alternate universe, at least on the show.
Except that the titles of most of the Mirror Universe episodes included the word "Mirror."
Nog does call it a parallel universe in this one.
I believe Kira used a Fed Type-II phaser in Captive Pursuits now that I think about it, but that was from a fallen comrade. Still, shouldn't there be a Bajoran and Federation weapons locker?
I don't really see why there should be. Federation Phasers work just as well as Bajoran ones, if not better. You really going to put two weapons lockers all over the station?
Someone who posted above was suprised that the alt-Defiant didn't look homemade, and I think the same sentiment was expressed in the DS9 guide. I imagine that building a ship would be relatively easy, however. All you need is enough energy and a few large replicators. Since the rebels had the station, that's not much of a stretch. Also, someone in the episode mentions that the rebels only had one raider left. I figured they scrapped the rest for dilithium, antimatter, etc. to build the Defiant.
So I guess they never addressed the Intendant's line when she told Jake that by sparing his life she would later have a debt to collect from the Prime Universe Sisko. Unless you count her attempt in stealing an Orb. :P