"Mediocre Episodes"

Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections: DS9: DS9 Kitchen Sink: "Mediocre Episodes"
By John A. Lang on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 6:06 pm:

The following are the lists of episodes I did not like nor did I dislike...they're just plain "Mediocre"


By John A. Lang on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 6:09 pm:

"Mediocre" episodes: SEASON 1

Past Prologue
Battle Lines
Progress
If Wishes Were Horses
Dramatis Personae

Most "Mediocre" Episode: If Wishes Were Horses


By John A. Lang on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 6:22 pm:

"Mediocre" Episodes of Season 2

The Homecoming
The Circle
Cardassians
Melora
Necessary Evil
The Alternate
Armageddon Game
Whispers
Shadowplay
Playing God
Profit and Loss
The Maquis, Part I
The Maquis, Part II
The Wire
The Collaborator

Most "Mediocre" episode: Melora


By John A. Lang on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 6:34 pm:

"Mediocre Episodes - Season 3

The Search, Part I
The Search, Part II
Equilibrium
Defiant
Fascination
Past Tense, Part I
Past Tense, Part II
Life Support
Through the Looking Glass
Explorers
Shakaar

Most "Mediocre" episode: Defiant


By John A. Lang on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 6:43 pm:

"Mediocre" episodes - Season 4

The Way of the Warrior
Hippocratic Oath
Homefront
Paradise Lost
Return to Grace
Accession
Rules of Engagement
Shattered Mirror
For the Cause
To the Death
The Quickening
Broken Link

Most "Mediocre" episode: Shattered Mirror


By John A. Lang on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 6:54 pm:

"Mediocre" episodes- Season 5

Apocalypse Rising
Nor The Battle To The Strong
The Assignment
Things Past
The Darkness And The Light
In Purgatory's Shadow
A Simple Investigation
Business As Usual
Ties of Blood and War
Blaze Of Glory
Empok Nor
In The Cards
A Call To Arms

Most "Mediocre" episode: A Simple Investigation


By John A. Lang on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 7:05 pm:

"Mediocre" episodes - Season 6

A Time To Stand
Rocks & Shoals
Sons & Daughters
The Sacrificce of Angels
Resurrection
Waltz
Honor Among Thieves
Change of Heart
Wrongs Darker than Death or Night
His Way
The Reckoning
Tears of the Prophets

Most "Mediocre" episode: Honor Among Thieves


By John A. Lang on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 7:16 pm:

"Mediocre" episodes - Season 7

Image in the Sand
Shadows & Symbols
Afterimage
The Covenant
It's Only Paper Moon
Field Of Fire
Chimera
Badda-Bing-Badda-Bang
Penubra
Until Death Do Us Part
Strange Bedfellows
Changing the Face of Evil
Tacking Into The Wind
What You Leave Behind

Most "Mediocre" episode: What You Leave Behind (It WOULD be on my "best" list IF they included flashbacks of Jadzia & eliminated Vic Fontane)


By Anonymous on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 8:03 pm:

Ok John, whats left?:)


By LUIGI NOVI on Saturday, December 27, 2003 - 12:03 am:

Those are mediocre episodes? You mentioned half of the entire series' run! And a lot of those were some of the best ones, IMO. Necessary Evil was mediocre? Whispers? The Wire, which was the first Garak-centered episode? And The Collaborator??!!??

The Quickening, Broken Link and Nor the Battle to the Strong were mediocre? The Reckoning? And both In the Cards and Tears of the Prophets?

THINGS PAST??!!!??? CHIMERA????!!!??? Those were two of the most powerful, revelatory episodes in the entire run!!

And you thought nearly the entire 6-episode arc that opened the sixth season, and almost the entire 9-episode closing arc of the series, including both the finale, and The Changing Face of Evil, which possibly its strongest episode, were mediocre, but didn't include Extreme Measures, which was possibly the weakest in terms of its relationship to the arc??

Well, to each his own.

I would suggest however, that you combine such posts into one to conserve space, though, John. :) I wonder how much space splitting them up into seven takes.


By Josh Gould (Jgould) on Friday, January 02, 2004 - 3:10 pm:

Agreed, Luigi. John, you're crazy. :)


By Josh M on Friday, January 02, 2004 - 5:20 pm:

Well, everyone, that's all YOUR opinion, isn't it?

I wasn't a big Collaborator fan. Or Chimera.

But I was a big Extreme Measures fan. I mean, come on, the very last O'Brien/Bashir episode? Although, you're right, it was the most stand alone of the arc.

Though there are many more that I don't agree with.


By John A. Lang on Friday, January 02, 2004 - 5:40 pm:

The reason why I didn't put these episodes on my "Like" list is:

1. Some dealt with a very confusing time travel story thereby making it less enjoyable.

2. Some stories were re-hashes of "TOS" / "Next Generation" episodes thereby lacking originality.

3. I didn't care for the episodes with "Section 31" whatsoever. Granted, "Section 31" may / may not be a part of Starfleet, but if it was, Starfleet should've done more to stop it because they were radicals. (IMHO)

4. I couldn't stand Ezri Dax at all. Nor could I stand Vic Fontane. They ruined all the episodes in which they were in.

5. Some of the episodes I listed above were just plain DULL and seemed to go on forever.

However, these episodes weren't put on my "dislike list" because there was SOMETHING that caught my attention but failed to capture my interest.


By Josh Gould (Jgould) on Friday, January 02, 2004 - 6:48 pm:

Um, okay.

So, how about the "dislike" and "like" lists? :)


By John A. Lang on Friday, January 02, 2004 - 9:08 pm:

Har de har har! :)


By LUIGI NOVI on Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 8:18 pm:

JoshM: Well, everyone, that's all YOUR opinion, isn't it?
Luigi Novi: Well, let's see....I said both "IMO" and "Well, to each his own," so, um....yeah, I think I made that clear. :)


By Josh M on Sunday, January 04, 2004 - 6:45 pm:

Well, as long as we're all in agreement. :)


By Dan Gunther on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 11:50 pm:

Wow, sorry John, I really respect you and I rarely comment on others' opinions, but you are absolutely fraggin' insane! Just kidding man, seriously. :)


By John A. Lang on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 7:45 am:

I can take a joke. However, I'm seriously thinking about re-locating "Whispers" (season 2) to my "Like" list. That one was pretty good.

I just hope you understand my logic on how the "medicore episodes" caught my attention but not my interest.
Also, I'm not saying this episodes were bad, it's just they could've been better.


By Dan Gunther on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 1:34 am:

:) All in good fun, man. I know what you mean, and I have some opinions that don't jibe with others, as well. See my comments on the sixth season episode known only as The Episode Whose Name etc. etc. And I absolutely LOVED Voyager's "Threshold." ACK! *ducks as potted plant sails past head* I'm kidding! SERIOUSLY!!! I HATED it!!! Whaddaya mean, banned from Nitcentral for life?!? Aw...


By LUIGI NOVI on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 1:49 pm:

Just out of curiosity, Dan, what did you like about it? What did it for you?

Personally, while it's popular to cite that episode as the worst, there are many that I find FAR worse. Threshold's main offenses were:

1. Horrible science
2. A supposed character realization at the end of the episode that didn't pertain to anything that happened during the episode
3. A supposed nit created by the crew achieving transwarp.

Many episodes have had as bad or far worse science, many have had character hollowness as bad or worse, like Favorite Son, and the nit is not the hardest one to explain. Spirit Folk is far more offensive for its horrible plot and character actions, Fury for the way it ruined a character's earlier denoument, etc.


By Dan Gunther on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 12:28 pm:

Well Luigi, if you're speaking of "Threshold," I liked nothing about it. It did nothing for me whatsoever. That part was entirely insincere.

As for "Profit and... well, you know," Rom absolutely cracks me up! When he's showing Quark how to walk and sit, I can't stop laughing. I know they're cheap laughs, but I can't help myself.

"Favorite Son," hated. "Fury," I would wipe from the canon if I had that power. "Spirit Folk," I have to say, had it's moments. Except the basis for the episode is flawed. I agree with Torres: Reinititialize the holodeck! They AREN'T real people!


By Dan Gunther on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 12:30 pm:

Re: "Threshold" I guess you can say it introduced a cool-looking Type-9 shuttlecraft. Other than that...


By Anonymous on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 10:47 pm:

a shuttle with no cargo capacity...


By LUIGI NOVI on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 4:00 am:

Ack. I missed the part where you said you were kidding.


By Josh Gould (Jgould) on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 9:41 pm:

As for "Profit and... well, you know," Rom absolutely cracks me up! When he's showing Quark how to walk and sit, I can't stop laughing. I know they're cheap laughs, but I can't help myself.

"Drink Slugo Cola: the slimiest cola in the galaxy!"


By LUIGI NOVI on Monday, January 19, 2004 - 10:47 am:

I think it was Nog who said that, not Rom.


By Dan Gunther on Monday, January 19, 2004 - 12:36 pm:

All the Ferengi said it at one point.


By David on Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 9:39 am:

The only episode I really couldn't stand was Move Along Home, in particular because Quark doesn't even learn his lesson about the price he might have to pay for running dishonest games.


By Lee Wilson on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 8:18 pm:

I thought Call to Arms was one of the best cliffhangers. I know the Rom/Leeta stuff can be annoying, but in my opinion that hardly makes it mediocre when factoring in every other part of the episode.


By Andrew Gilbertson (Zarm_rkeeg) on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 6:00 am:

I thought it was a pretty darn good ones myself. There were plenty of DS9 2-parters that ARE pretty mediocre in my book - Homefront, Past Tense, etc. ... But Call to Arms, The Search, In Purgatory's Shadow... when they did it right, they did it RIGHT! :-)


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