Is Garak gay?
Seeing as he had a romantic relationship with Dukat's daughter, I'd say he wasn't.
On the other hand, he'd probably be one of the first guys voted off "Playing It Straight: Deep Space Nine."
Her interest in him was romantic, but was it reciprocated? It seemed to me that his feelings for her were somewhat platonic.
(Not that I'm a proponent of this "Garak is Gay" nonsense.)
Nonsense seems like the right word for it, Luigi. It seems to me that really the only reason this ever was concoted is because Garak is somehow seen as more "effeminate" than your average Cardassian. Feh. Whatever.
Basically I think this stems from the fact that Andrew Robinson has said on occasion that Garak was attracted to Bashir. People seem to forget that there are more types of attraction than sexual attraction. And even if he was "sexually" attracted to Bashir, it does not follow that he is gay or bisexual.
In the non-canon Section 31 novel "Rogue", they made Lt. Hawk (ST:FC) gay.
Right. There were all sorts of rumors prior to First Contact that Hawk would indeed turn out to be gay, but of course that didn't happen.
Tho', I don't see what that has to do with Garak...
Of course, it's kinda moot, since Hawk was assimilated.
"We are the Borg. Resistance is Faaaabulous!"
The thing is, who's not to say, that Lt. Hawk was indeed gay, and was in 'First Contact', it's just all his scenes had nothing to do with sexual orientation. I understand there was one scene, or a piece of script that mentioned something or another, and it either didn't get filmed, or the clip was scrapped. I have read the section 31 novel with Lt. Hawk mentioned, and boy that was a good read. It provided that Lt. Hawk was indeed gay, and in a healthy relationship, but the thing is, Hawk's storyline in the book, didn't dwell on his love life, but his tug of war feelings of joinging Section 31, and what he felt was right. His personal life was mentioned in just the same way, that Bashir's and Ezri Dax's relationship was shown in DS9's Section 31 novel. I felt that was how it should have been done, and I think it could have brought Lt Hawk's personal life, if he was originally written as gay, in 'First Contact'
"We are the Borg. Resistance is Faaaabulous!"
Also, the novel "The Best and the Brightest," there are two characters, a human and a Trill female who hae a relationship together. It's awesome because no one even bats an eye. It's perfectly acceptable, normal behaviour.
In the New Frontier novels, there's a relationship between a human male and a Hermat (a race whose members indeed belong to both sexes).
Imdb.com says that there was a subplot intended for Lt. Hawk being homosexual and having his liason on board with him. Scenes with the two were in the script but not filmed (or they were taken out...). It's funny, in the German dubbing of STVIII, he really sounds gay.... (Not that there's a particular way that homosexuals sound like when they talk, but there are several comedies in Germany that feature "gay talk"....)
In one TNG Episode, Rier had relations with a member of the asexual J'naii. There was no problem on the Enterprise. Yeah well, the J'naii took the poor little girl... boy... thing away and brainwashed it. But they didn't belong to the Federation, afaik.....
And what's the problem? Star Trek wouldn't be Star Trek if there would be a problem at all.
Back to Garak: He doesn't feel too comfortable about the idea of Ziyal loving him, do you remember him say "I could never imagine why" when Kira told him that Ziyal had loved him after she died? However, I think, Garak should remain the mystery he has always been during the series....
If you don't understand me, blame it on my poor school English....
Back to Garak: He doesn't feel too comfortable about the idea of Ziyal loving him, do you remember him say "I could never imagine why" when Kira told him that Ziyal had loved him after she died?
People in love often have the sentiment. I know that I feel the same way about Mrs. ScottN sometimes.
Newbie, your English was nearly perfect (The only mistake I noticed was your reference to Riker as "Rier," which I assume was just a typo, and not related to any language barrier). I never would've guessed that it was your second language until the final sentence of your post.
In the New Frontier novels, there's a relationship between a human male and a Hermat (a race whose members indeed belong to both sexes).
Not to mention
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also that same Hermat and a female Vulcan.
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One of the reasons I stopped reading the New Frontier series fairly early in the series was that I thought there was way more sex in the series than (IMO) was appropriate for Trek.
Just in case someone reads this and decides to get all "OMG teh prude!!!" this was just my opinion and my choice to stop reading. I don't think the books should be banned or no one else should read them or no books should have sex or anything like that. It was a personal choice, that's all.
According to the documentary "What We Left Behind", an emphatic yes.
I recently finished reading book 2 of The Fall series titled The Crimson Shadow (probably my least favorite Trek book to date). Although it wasn't stated outright, I'm fairly positive the author portrayed him to be gay.
I can certainly see it for the character, but his relationship with Ziyal, if you can call it that, messes with that theory. I also want to say one of Garack's stories talks about a tryst with a woman while he was in the Obsidian Order, though I may be confusing that with someone else.
I genuinely thought Jeff Winters had bobbed his head up here again when I read the title the board....
quote:inblackestnight: I can certainly see it for the character, but his relationship with Ziyal, if you can call it that, messes with that theory. I also want to say one of Garack's stories talks about a tryst with a woman while he was in the Obsidian Order, though I may be confusing that with someone else.