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Plot:

If the cast and crew of Star Trek all get their way (and doesn't that always happen?) the movie will be a direct sequel to Insurrection, tying up the loose ends left by that story. Under the same parameters, Data will die and some of the characters from Deep Space Nine will be introduced in the first step to hand off the Trek film franchise baton.

The Buzz:

Is it possible that Paramount would consider pushing Patrick Stewart out of the Star Trek franchise as a means of re-energizing the franchise? Perhaps. Mr. Showbiz columnist Jeffrey Wells passes on rumors that Paramount big shot Jonathan Dolgen (chairman of Viacom Entertainment Group) has sent word down that the Star Trek franchise has to be "reimagined and made cheaper." One reason Wells cites for this change of direction at Paramount is said to be due, in part, to the most recent Star Trek feature's box office. Wells reports that Star Trek: Insurrection cost $65M and only pulled in $71M domestically. Mind you, it made more money overseas and through licensing, but nothing like the studio probably hoped for. So, based on that point, and given that Stewart has been quite effective when renegotiating his contract for more money ($14M for Insurrection plus director approval and an associate producer credit), it is suggested that Paramount might choose to pass on Stewart completely.

With Brent Spiner and Michael Dorn having said that another Trek film would be their last as well as Levar Burton sounding like he might not return anyway, now would certainly seem to be the time to make changes. Still, wouldn't you want to see the Next Gen cast on the big screen knowing that it would be for the last time? It would be much more fair for the fans to pave the way to a new approach for the franchise rather than dumping them beforehand.

Meanwhile, Paramount publicity is dismissing any rumors of losing the old cast, particularly Stewart. On the other hand, Stewart's publicist, Kelly Bush, is quoted as saying, "As far as Patrick is aware, there are no plans for a new Star Trek film."

Status:

In development

Release Date:

2001


If there is a combo TNG/DS9 movie, I would think some characters would have to be dropped as I don't see any realistic way to fit in both casts. So, my guess would be the following:

The Next Generation
Picard
Riker
Data
Worf

Deep Space Nine
Sisko
Kira
Odo
Quark (for comic relief)

Rather than pick up from Insurrection, I think the storyline should come from DS9. The movie could involve Gul Dukat and the Pah-Wraiths escaping and teaming up with renegade Jem-Haddar (that were left behind in the Alpha Quadrant with no war to fight) to conquer the Federation. Sisko returns to help. Odo returns to let everyone know that the Jem-Haddar are not fighting under orders of the Founders. The Romulans stay out of it due to finding out about Sisko's actions in "The Pale Moonlight". The "missing" Enterprise members (i.e. LaForge, Crusher, Troi) would be explained away as being reassigned to other ships. Bashir and Dax could be explained away in the same way. If done right, this would be an epic movie to rival Star Wars. DS9's finale had some great battle scenes that would be even better on the big screen. A great ending would be to have Kira and Worf team up to kill Dukat.

Mike,
I like your idea, it's got better legs than what Paramount has. IMHO I wish we could leave the Prophet/Pah Wraith fued element out.
Although The Sisko is worthy of returning from Bajoran heaven, Dukat reduces the film a notch and makes him the equivalent of Freddy Krueger/Jason -- You kill him time after time and he keeps coming back to life. The only way to rekill him is make up more mumbo jumbo.
So if we could leave the supernatural powers out and tell a good story that uses good old-fashioned brain power to solve, maybe the next film can turn a tidier profit.

I think any DS9 movies (even or odd) would, like the even numbered Trek movies, rival Star Wars immensely. But I think DS9 would be even better at rivaling Star Wars. Star Trek needs to set itself apart, too many people compare it to Star Wars and I get disgusted with that time after time. Perhaps the DS9 franchise should be three or four movies and deal with another war or something to the effect of the Dominion War. An example of this would be: It is years after we've last seen DS9, and the Romulans, after doing much research have learned that they were decieved into the Dominion War by Captain Sisko and some comrades. The Romulan government, feeling angered and betrayed has launched an all out assault on the Federation...Captain Sisko returns from the Wormhole to fix past mistakes.
The movie should feature state of the art SFX and no cheesy Jar Jar Binks characters...

But, Mike...you left them without a doctor! Or a counselor! (Okay, so you're probably not too concerned about the latter.) But, what if someone gets hurt, or there's an ethical dilemma, or something? Then what?

Rachgd, you are right. I just figured that eight characters is probably the max you could expect from both casts for such a combo movie. I went with what I thought was the logical (i.e. most popular) characters. It is not that I have anything against LaForge, Troi, Crusher, Bashir, or Dax. They could still have a doctor - it would just be another nameless, faceless ensign (like the red-shirts of Classic Trek). I guess they still could have Bashir or Crusher but I think they would have to die sometime during the movie (since that would be too many characters).

I can't agree with this at all. If there is a next movie, it must me mostly TNG with only a few DS9 elements thrown in. And it must have good parts for Doctor Crusher, Geordi LaForge, and Counselor Troi. They've been ignored for too long. It's time to bring them into the spotlight.

I understand the feeling about Doctor Crusher, Geordi LaForge, and Counselor Troi. However, if characters are going to be eliminated, they are the logical ones (since they haven't really been used in the TNG movies so far anyway). I think it would be too unwieldy to have everyone from both casts in the movie. So, someone has to go - I just went with what I thought were the logical (i.e. most popular) choices. The movie could explain that these characters were promoted and reassigned which would add a much needed dose of reality. Otherwise (if you keep the status quo), that means the whole Enterprise crew doesn't care if they ever get promoted.
I also understand the feeling about Dukat. Yet, his fate in DS9's finale seemed tacked on and irreverent to the Dominion war. I thought the two storylines would merge at some point. Plus, he would make a good Khan-like villain for a movie. He could be returned as a mortal so that his death WOULD be final.
Another thought: The Enterprise could be at DS9 to welcome Bajor to the Federation. I was really surprised that this plot point was not resolved in the finale.
How could a movie be "mostly TNG with only a few DS9 elements thrown in"? I don't see how that would work.

Go to "possible plot for Star Trek: The Next Generation IV" to see what I think. The movie is mostly TNG with TNG characters, but some of the action takes place in and around DS9 with some DS9 characters in supporting roles. I think that it's time to forget about money and concentrate on making a good film. If it's good enough, people will see it.

I think Star Trek should end in 2001-its 35th Anniversary

May 2001-Voyager 2-hour series finale
Wraps up Voyager

August 2001-TV movie: Star Trek-Return to DS9
Wraps up DS9

October 2001-Star Trek 35th Ann. Special

December 2001-Feature film:Star Trek Victory
Wraps up TNG

If Trek wraps everything up in its 35th year-I think it will go out in a bang!!!!!!!

It would be really cool if Star Trek Victory also had Ambassator Spock, Scotty and the three casts in a really massive film, have Ezri, fozen for a hundred years and start a whole new series.

Yeah!! Or better yet, it should have every single actor and actress who ever appeared on a Star Trek show!! YAY!!!!!

The idea sounds great, but how would the Romulans find out about Sisko's actions? Supposedly only Sisko knows what actually happened.

Aaron, Re: "The idea sounds great, but how would the Romulans find out about Sisko's actions? Supposedly only Sisko knows what actually happened. "

Here are some possibilities:
By Norman on Sunday, January 3, 1999 - 09:40 pm:

Since Sisko had once recorded a message and then erased it, can't his confession be retrieved given someone with computer know-how (especially since this is the Cardassian system where an old forgotten unnamed seeming deleted file ends up activating Dukat's security program in "Civil Defense")

So how can a datarod that was seen clearly as a fake seem real after it was part of a ship's explosion (I'm sure there were other Romulans versed in recognizing the difference)?

Were Garak's connections really murdered (we only have his claim)?


Another possibility I think that someone mentioned is: What if someone found out that the Romulan senator made a trip to DS9? Wouldn't a Romulan who was opposed to fighting the Dominion find that curious?

Why did this conversation turn to "In The Pale Moonlight"? Why does it seem so important that Sisko pay for his crimes of ITPM?
As far as I'm concerned Sisko and Garak got away scot free. A plan worthy of Section 31. It's not a loose end nor does it require a follow-up story, IMHO.

I honestly have to say I DO NOT approve of any TNG Trek movie that does not star Counselor Troi. I also don't think that the next movie can leave out Dr. Crusher or Lt.Cmdr. LaForge; many fans feel hurt/betrayed enough as it is that they haven't got any good parts. I think their fans would be willing to boycott if they don't get characterized well in the movies soon. I think the people that can be let go is Capt. Picard and Lt.Cmdr. Data. They have been the focal points of
the last three Next Gen movies, if they weren't in the next it'd be fine by me.
I personally like the idea though of the next movie being about the "loose ends"/long-term reprocussions of Insurrection. I personally don't
think Trek needs to compete with Wars; we can let
them have mindless dribble, we'll get the intelligent issues exploration. I wouldn't mind seeing a little bit of action or DS9 characters though. Why don't they have the Romulans starting
trouble with the Bak'u-in fact, why don't they also/instead have the Klingons causing trouble for
the Bak'u. That would be a great way to get Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire Worf in the mix(or is it Klingon Ambassador to the Federation?). Also, the Ferengi, the Bajorans and the Dominion getting involved would be great ways to get Rom/Leeta/Nog, Kira/the new Kai and Odo involved(nice Odo/Kira angle); we can find out if Bajor is going to join the Feds or not. Picard of course would be in it if Insurrection is involved.
The next movie could be an epic; Epics often focus on multiple characters in well-characterized
ways.

I invite all of you to check out the Insurrection board "Possible plot for Next Generation 4?" and check out my plot for the next movie. I am not sure whether to post the LONG second draft I wrote since no one is going there anymore (Except Jen Hartman, luv u girl!) but you should still see it I think.

BrianB, I agree that it is not necessary that Sisko pay for his "crimes" (I think this case may be like the saying goes "that the ends justifies the means") in ITPM. Then again, it wasn't really necessary to make The Wrath of Khan a sequel to Space Speed. Yes, ITPM works just fine on its own (the best DS9 IMHO). I also agree with Alfonso that the Romulans would make a good villain but I have read in sci-fi magazines that the "powers-that-be" have considered using them and rejected the idea in the past. If they did use them, they could bring back Sela (Tasha's daughter) as the main villain. If they played with the Worf/Riker thing with Troi (i.e. her death mentioned in "All Good Things"), I would be in favor of her inclusion but they seemed to have abandoned that angle in the last movie. If you look at the last "combo" movie (i.e. Generations), they did NOT include all of the casts from both Classic Trek and TNG. So, a movie that is transitioning from TNG to DS9 would probably do the same thing. I like Alfonso's idea about "the Ferengi, the Bajorans and the Dominion getting involved would be great ways to get Rom/Leeta/Nog, Kira/the new Kai and Odo involved(nice Odo/Kira angle)". I am all in favor of Leeta being in the movie but since she is a minor character I doubt they would include her. You can only fit so many characters in a two hour movie.

I think the Romulan involment plot is dead. But it depends who wrote it.

That will never happen