Harry enters an alternate reality where he and Tom are not lost in the Delta Quadrant with Voyager
-Richie
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By Anonymous on Monday, November 09, 1998 - 12:51 am:
Did harry die again? Just curious..
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By Richie Vest on Tuesday, November 10, 1998 - 11:48 am:
No Harry does not die in this episode
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By Catherine on Friday, January 29, 1999 - 6:20 pm:
Thank GOD! I was getting tired of my favorite character dying all the time.
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By Johnny Veitch on Sunday, January 31, 1999 - 4:21 am:
Is this the same Anonymous from "Deadlock" and "Emanations"?
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By BrianB on Friday, July 09, 1999 - 6:05 am:
Another recycled story. They even reused the Dyson's Sphere to serve as Starfleet space doors.
Like TNG's "Parallels", we have Kim slipping into a different reality via a shuttlecraft intersecting a spatial fragment or thread like Worf's shuttle did.
Kim's home is, where else, San Francisco. (was he born there?)
Pocket transporters, eh, Tom?
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By Mark Swinton on Saturday, November 06, 1999 - 3:51 pm:
Indeed, I've noticed that as well as the Dyson Sphere doors being used as Space Dock, there are recycled clips from three of the movies:
a scene involving Starfleet HQ at night just before we see Harry in bed from ST VI;
a scene showing mushroom-like building with people walking past and a small spacecraft being refuelled by a man with a petrol pump-like hose from ST IV and TNG "Conspiracy" (has he really been standing there refuelling that ship all these years?!);
a scene showing an airtram flying towards the Golden Gate Bridge just after Harry's scene in Sandrine's with Paris from ST The Motion Picture (good to see that some kinds of spacecraft just never go out of fashion...)
To begin with, I didn't much like this episode, but on reflection it is an interesting "change of pace" type of show. Good to see Libby at last- did anyone know that she auditioned to play Kes at one point?
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By Lee Jamilkowski on Saturday, February 12, 2000 - 8:58 pm:
Harry is from Monterey, New Mexico (the novel "Pathways" says Monterey, and the show said New Mexico, so I put two and two together). Is there really a Monterey?
I liked this episode... especially, as was mentioned, the change of pace. And the mention of Odo.
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By Sarah Perkins on Friday, August 11, 2000 - 7:19 pm:
I liked this episode a lot, too. It was interesting, and I suppose the fact that Harry is my favorite doesn't hurt my opinion. Also, I never got to watch "Parallax", so I can't compare.
I may be back with some nits later.
[and as John Donne said, comparisons are odious. Except I don't know that that applies to nitpickers like us. ;-) ]
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By Sarah Perkins on Friday, August 11, 2000 - 11:03 pm:
Sorry, I meant "Parallels".
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By Palandine on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 7:55 am:
NANJTOs:
1. Boy, the Feds really _are_ light on crime. Paris was convicted of TREASON and only sentenced to 18 months in New Zealand? At least that puts Garak's 6 months in a holding cell for trying to wipe out an entire race in perspective. Can we assume that the female changeling will be sentenced to 2 years in her bucket on some sunny New Zealand beach for her crimes? And another thing--if Paris' crimes grew out of a fundamental disagreement with Starfleet philosophy, what on earth could his rehabilitation have been like--brainwashing until he liked the Feds again? How can you rehabilitate someone who disagrees with your philosophy and does not feel he needs rehabilitating?
2. Boy, Earth gets dull in a few centuries. I've never been to San Francisco, but I've been told it's a vibrant, diverse city where anything can happen. This San Francisco is like Disney's Main Street USA, with its citizens flitting around in earthtone clothes in a Prozac haze. Where's the vitality? This is what the Voyager folks are going through hell to come home to? Even Sandrine's is more boring than the holodeck version. This is progress?
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By Spockania on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 2:09 pm:
Starfleet security makes an absolutely pitiful performance here. They put a leg transponder on Harry Kim and tell him that tampering means his immediate arrest. He tempers with it. What happens?
(1) It beeps to alert him he is about to be arrested. Not a good idea. This might be the result of the device Harry was using, but still...
(2) Starfleet security beams IN. Considering they MUST have a lock on his location, why not beam Harry OUT? He still has the thing on his leg, after all- even as he runs through the street.
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By Palandine on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 2:33 pm:
Not only that, Spockania, but as far as I could tell when watching this ep, they were UNARMED (now, the one who chased Kim down the street did produce a phaser at some point, but I didn't see it banging against his leg as he ran).
Don't Starfleet phasers have a stun setting? Even given that they didn't do the smart thing and transport Harry directly into a cell, it seems they could have beamed in, stunned Harry, and taken him into custody.
Somehow I don't think any Klingon songs are going to be written about the glorious exploits of Starfleet security...
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By Keith Alan Morgan (Kmorgan) on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 2:57 am:
The Stardate in this episode is 49011 and I believe Harry spent two days on Earth. However, the Deep Space Nine episode The Way Of The Warrior has a Stardate listing of 49011.4, which was given after the fighting. So why wasn't there any mention of all those Klingon ships at DS9, then the Klingons attacking Cardassia and finally the attack on DS9 itself. Don't you find it unusual that none of these events were mentioned by any Starfleet personnel? They might have even considered that Harry was working for either the Klingons or Cardassians.
Why does Libby remember Harry being nervous about the meeting, but Harry doesn't? As a matter of fact several people tell Harry things that Harry has done, but Harry doesn't remember. Did he actually live his life as if he had never been stationed on Voyager and only when he reached the same point in time forgot everything he had done?
On the Yellowstone, Harry pushes some buttons on a blank screen and suddenly it lights up with power, but if the panel was inactive because it had no power then how would pressing powerless buttons activate the power source?
In the alternate timeline if Paris wasn't a member of the crew, then he wouldn't have been able to save Chakotay, so Chakotay couldn't have sacrificed his ship and the Maquis would probably not have joined the crew of Voyager. Hmmm...
Of course, a great big anti-nit for this episode is what if the alien were lying about this being an alternate timeline? Maybe these aliens learn about others by seeing how they react in some kind of mental fantasy?
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By Jwb52z on Tuesday, July 10, 2001 - 9:33 pm:
KAM, just because Paris wouldn't have been the one who saved him, that doesn't mean NO ONE would have been there to save him.
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By Mikey on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 12:03 pm:
Ah... But since Kim wasn't there either (and thus, not kidnapped), there would have been no reason for Janeway to travel to the Ocampa homeworld.
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By Jwb52z on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 3:19 pm:
Mikey, who says that someone would not have been instead?
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By KAM on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 3:00 am:
Jwb, it stretches credibility to assume that Kim's replacement would have the same reaction to the Caretaker's experiment that Kim did.
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By Richie Vest on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 6:15 am:
Besides B'Elanna would have still been kidnapped anyways
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By Mikey on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 9:59 am:
ah... But Torres wasn't a part of Janeway's crew, yet. The Maquis and Starfleet could have easily gone separate ways.
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By Jwb52z on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 1:25 pm:
KAM, it is not, considering that the Caretaker had had people with the same reaction before according to the Ocampa on the planet undeground.
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By Mikey on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 4:23 pm:
Right! But not many people.
KAM's point is that out of everyone aboard Voyager, Kim was the only candidate (otherwise the Caretaker would have sent the others as well). So what are the chances that the person who replaces him would also, coincidentally, be a candidate? Not very likely.
Sure, it's *possible.* But then so is the notion that Quark would be assigned aboard, posing as a Ferengi female to become leader of the Borg.
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By Jwb52z on Saturday, July 14, 2001 - 2:18 pm:
Are you all ever going to give it a rest with that?
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By The Dead Horse on Saturday, July 14, 2001 - 8:24 pm:
Yah please! That hurts!
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By Mikey on Saturday, July 14, 2001 - 9:34 pm:
Oh, please, Jwb... It was just a joke. Chill. Relax. You make it sound like I've been going around the boards posting that stuff.
Regardless, KAM's point that I was illustrating still stands (I notice that you failed to comment on that).
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By Jwb52z on Sunday, July 15, 2001 - 9:49 pm:
Mikey, unless you used a different name before now, you have no idea how people around here can keep egging on something forever so I wouldn't talk if I were you. You weren't here in the conversation.
Ok Folks I admit i let things slide a bit but lets get bac to the nits Richie Vest
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By Mikey on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 1:33 pm:
Jwb52z - I'd like to apologize for making that comment about the Borg leader. It was not intended to be at your expense, though I can understand why you would think so. I did only intend it as a joke and not an attack. At the same time, I hardly think that your animosity towards me was helpful, either.
But to get back to the point (as I have tried to do in each of my posts now)... You have yet to reply to the contention that the likelihood that Kim's replacement would also be a candidate for the Caretaker's agenda is slim to none.
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By Jwb52z on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 2:55 pm:
Mikey, I just don't think people should say it was completely impossible. I realize genetics are very individual and unique and that it would be very unlikely.
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By Arthur on Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 6:57 am:
Alright JWB, I agree that it's not completely impossible, but you'd be hanging onto like a 0.00000000000000000001% probability, which, to most people, is impossible.
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By Si on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 12:35 pm:
Taking a look at Harry's personnel record, does it show his middle name? I think it says his middle name's "Si". How nice, Harry "Yes" Kim
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By Stone Cold Steven Of None on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 10:07 am:
Do you think the Daniel Byrd mentioned in this ep was the same guy who had p!$$3d off B'Elanna Torres as a kid, according to her in Juggernaut?
I'm thinking of all the fun Our Miss Turtlehead could've had laying the smackdown on his candy @$$ all over Voyager.
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By John A. Lang on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 9:04 pm:
Why does Harry have a HINDGED DOOR at his residence?
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By John A. Lang on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 7:12 am:
The shuttlebay door looks A LOT like the door from the Dyson Sphere in "Relics"
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By John-Boy on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 6:57 am:
This episode first aired on UPN 10 years ago today.
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By Mr Crusher on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 3:11 pm:
John A Lang, because the DOOR was buit with a HINDGE in it.
And the shuttlebay door looks A LOT like the Dyson Sphere because it is a reuse of the same footage from "Relics".
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By ScottN, from the Spelling Police on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 3:27 pm:
What's a "Hindge"?
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By Polls Voice on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 4:37 pm:
its something out of the Dixon hill holonovel.
sort of like how they said watch your caboose. Well, in this case, its the rear gate
Palandine: the one who chased Kim down the street did produce a phaser at some point, but I didn't see it banging against his leg as he ran
It was there, he just didn't pull it out until he caught up with Kim, which I find a bit strange considering it has a stun setting.
KAM: So why wasn't there any mention of all those Klingon ships at DS9, then the Klingons attacking Cardassia and finally the attack on DS9 itself.
Well, it is a parallel universe. If Kim and Tom are the only people who changed then I'm surprised that when questioning Harry nobody mentioned him being a Changeling.
Palandine already mentioned how sterile Frisco seemed, but if it's where SF academy and HQ is located why don't we see more people in uniforms? How did Harry confirm it was actually a parallel universe? There are several other possibilities as well. For a French bar, that place sure was quiet, and I didn't hear anybody speaking French either. Why was Harry questioned by a high ranking admiral, espicially since he said he was going to the Cardassian border? An ankle device is the best 24th century SF can come up with? We have this technology now! Track him by his communicator or biosigns!
All the transporter effects were the same as Voyager uses, and outside of this show it isn't used at all IIRC. It was nice of that 'tampering alarm' to give Harry and Libby their moment before it went off. When Tom uses his site-to-site from Harry's office to the runabout he leaves his phaser there for some reason. Speaking of the runabout, was this a new design or just engine upgrades because it looked exactly the same? Libby (Jennifer Gatti) also played Ba'el in Birthright 1&2(TNG), amongst other things; I had to look that up, it was driving me nuts.
Spockania - "Starfleet security beams IN. Considering they MUST have a lock on his location, why not beam Harry OUT? He still has the thing on his leg, after all- even as he runs through the street."
They also conveniently beam behind a decorative fold-up wall. And then Libby blocks the window Harry has exited through, and both guards leave through the door, instead of arresting her for being an accomplice!
KAM - "...several people tell Harry things that Harry has done, but Harry doesn't remember. Did he actually live his life as if he had never been stationed on Voyager and only when he reached the same point in time forgot everything he had done?"
My impression was that Harry simply 'popped' into this timeline when we first see him there, but there's no dialog confirming this.
When Harry searches computer records for Tom, he requests 'Thomas G. Paris'. Later, we'll learn that his full name is Thomas Eugene Paris, which should mean his full name is Thomas E. Paris. The fact that Gene is a variastion of Eugene (Gene Roddenberry's first name was actually Eugene), shouldn't affect computer records. Tom should be Thomas E. not Thomas G. Of course, this episode came first, so...
Why was Harry's ankle bracelet attached outside his pants? How would he ever change out of those pants if the unit is locked around the material?
They had an ankle bracelet so they wouldn't gross us out showing him peeling his arm skin open to get at the subcutaneous transponder.
Harry went over to Marseilles at 4 am San Francisco time, which would be 1 pm Marseilles time. Paris sure hangs out a lot at Chez Sandrine.
Also, Harry says Eugene, not G.
I've just thought of a couple of points - a little bit late, I know!
1) Why didn't anyone suggest scanning Harry's RNA? In the TNG episode Parallels, it was a quantum flux in Worf's RNA that proved he was from a different reality. If a similar flux was found in Harry's RNA here, it would go at least some way to proving he was from a different version of reality!
2) I wonder if Harry manage to submit a report about what had happened on the Voyager he came from since it was transported to the Delta Quadrant - the Caretaker's array, the dead crew, the Kazon, The Ocampa, etc? If he did, how would Starfleet have reacted to it?