Crewman Tabor is found unconscious in the holodeck, the victim of a violent attack, a fate that befalls other members of the crew, all of whom turn out to be former Maquis members of the ship, a plot that may have something to do with the ship's regular communications with Starfleet, and which may spark a mutiny that splits the crew.
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By Jason on Thursday, October 19, 2000 - 10:23 am:
In this episode, the crew mutinys and force Janeway to take the ship into warp!
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By K'holtekopotal on Friday, October 20, 2000 - 10:47 am:
Well, someone probably got fed up waddling around at impulse all the live long day...
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By Josh G. on Friday, October 20, 2000 - 8:24 pm:
So, does anyone know what's REALLY supposed to happen in this episode?
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By Rene on Friday, October 20, 2000 - 8:41 pm:
I guess something get repressed
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By Spockania on Friday, October 20, 2000 - 10:31 pm:
From startrek.com:
>>>Aboard the U.S.S. Voyager, former members of the Maquis appear to be singled out in a rash of violent attacks. Before long, the safety of the entire crew is in jeopardy. When Tuvok takes charge of the investigation he becomes frustrated at the lack of a logical motive, but soon makes some rather startling discoveries.<<<
Amazing how much they revealed, huh?
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By Spornan on Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 4:39 am:
PAL.
Previews Always Lie.
Just remember that.
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By Spockania on Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 1:11 pm:
I know, but I was being sarcastic. After all, doesn't almost every episode involve the "safety of the entire crew ... in jeopardy." And how many episodes could be summarized by "Tuvok takes charge of the investigation he becomes frustrated at the lack of a logical motive, but soon makes some rather startling discoveries". All we really know is former members of the Maquis are going to be attacked at some point in the episode...
Ok, we also know Janeway and Tuvok try a new Paris holodeck program involving 3d movies, and that at some point Tuvok gets captured and interrogated by an alien named "Teero".
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By Adam Bomb on Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 6:42 pm:
I saw on some site (I can't remember which) Tuvok wearing what looked like sunglasses.
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By ScottN on Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 8:48 pm:
I saw on some site (I can't remember which) Tuvok wearing what looked like sunglasses.
That would make him look like a real freakasaurus! (see Future's End.)
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By Wannabe Trek Writer feeling goofy on Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 8:54 pm:
I know what the startling discovery is. Nyeh, nyeh!
Had a story I pitched rejected because of this episode.
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By Dustin Westfall on Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 2:32 am:
Yes, PAL, but you would think they would at least come up with a new lie. This feels like a complete repeat of the preview for Worst Case Scenario.
I find it hard to believe there would be a series of violent attacks on Voyager. It is a military ship, for one. Two, the internal sensors track everyone through the ship anyway (unless they are ingenious enough to remove their combadge), so motive would only be a minor consideration, I think.
WTW, you can't leave us hanging. If you can't reveal the discovery, at least share what your pitch was (as I'm sure it would be a big hint). Please.
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By SLUGBUG on Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 5:37 am:
Why is it my messages only get through if they are gibberish?
Peter
LMFAO, I call this an epiphany
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By Wannabe Trek Writer on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 9:42 am:
Unfortunately, if I share my pitch, then that *will* reveal it. I'd be happy to share it after the show airs, though. I don't like spoilers. Sorry.
By Mandy on Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 5:42 pm:
I can't say I thought much of this episode. As someone said, too much beginning, not enough ending.
So how come Janeway knew about the "holy time" quote Tuvok said to Chakotay before he zapped him, even though Chakotay was still in a coma when she passed this information along?
And speaking of being zapped, since when do mind melds produce skull fractures? Tuvok must be really bad at them.
I remember during the Amelia Earhart episode, Janeway was concerned too many of her crew would chose to stay. Chakotay said they couldn't run the ship with less than 100. Now they plan to run the ship with 25 or so Maquis? Guess they've learned a lot about operating Voyager over the years (warp drive excepted).
Funny, I always assumed Voyager was nearly half Maquis.
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By Keith Ratliff on Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 7:32 pm:
I think he assaulted his victims first. Thus, the reason for the skull problems.
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By trekkerxphile on Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 9:03 pm:
Rather predictable, and 5 minute ending in the extreme, but whatever.
No lines for Seven for the second week in a row!!!
Okay, this doesn't apply to this episode any more than to any other, but I have the answer as to why they don't go to warp! I got a guide to Voyager -- "Delta Quadrant" -- and it said under one episode that in some technobabble-filled way (I can't find the episode or I'd quote directly) the writers claimed that electromagnetic radiation interfered with the warp field. The author of "Delta Quadrant" reminded us that since EM radiation is everywhere, there's a very, very good reason they can never go to warp! :-)
How did the Bajoran guy get his message into Tuvok's son's?
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By Brian Lombard on Friday, October 27, 2000 - 5:02 am:
During Holodoc's examination of the first coma victim, he discovers bruises on the man's shoulder. Sounds like someone tried to give him a neck pinch. That should have been their first clue.
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By AI Fix on Friday, October 27, 2000 - 7:26 am:
>>Why is a Black And White movie showin in 3-d with red and blue glasses? Is it even possible? <<
The red and the "green", when filtered through the glasses, each turn into black (actually more like a dark gray). The movie is shot with two cameras a few inches apart, a red filter over one lens and a green filter over the other. Seeing the green projection through the red lens produces a black image, and the same for the red through green. The offset is what gives the 3D effect. Look at the projection when they're talking in the front row -- you can see the red/green separation. Of course, this works for most people. I always had a problem with it, being slightly color-blind.
Why is Tom introducing B'elanna to the movies with a sequel? The first one was better, and also in 3D.
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By Ghel on Friday, October 27, 2000 - 1:27 pm:
One think I pondered. We have seen other episodes in which the Captain is easily capable of locking down the computer. Since Chakotay switched off the doctor and never "officially" removed her from command, Janeway should have had more than enough time to lock down the entire computer core. Granted, the combined efforts of the first officer, security chief, and chief engineer would probably be able to override her, but it seemed as if she never even made the attempt.
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By Adam Bomb on Friday, October 27, 2000 - 4:39 pm:
Why did the picture of B'Ellana in the Maquis crew manifest look like she does now, with her hair its current length? She had much shorter hair in the pilot. In fact, she dropped the frizzy hair she had last year and is back to straight hair. Maybe Tom likes it straight. I, personally, like women with curly hair, the curlier the better. Makes them appear wild.
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By ERIC on Friday, October 27, 2000 - 4:37 pm:
Tuvok received a subliminal message from a Bajoran who was kicked out of the Maquis. He was hypnotized into nocking out some original Voyager crew members and had hypnotized the Maquis to take over Voyager. Then, he finally came around, almost killed Janeway with a defective Phaser, mind-melded with Chakotay [among others], and helped to release the prisoners.
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By NarkS on Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 9:30 am:
I really think more emphasis should be placed on the lack of Seven in this episode.
Tuvok phasering Janeway was a nice touch.
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By norman on Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 11:20 am:
How DID the Maquis keep Seven Restrained? Knowing her, she'd turn on her Borg shields or find some way to secretly summon and activate the Doctor!
To a certain degree, this was deja vu to "Worst Case Scenario" (a better episode). I kept waiting to see Seska with her never seen until Holodec hairdo appear. :P
This episode reminds me a bit too much of how the writers probably came up with the even worse Kes episode last year. They saw a past episode (in this case, Worst Case Scenario) talked around a table until they came up with "What if we have a Maquis Rebellion and it turns out that Tuvok's responsible for it?" Well unlike the Kes episode this one at least seems to be congruent with Vulcan poetics. :P
So why didn't the Equinox Five join forces with the Maquis, immediately? Brainwashed as the Maquis leaders be, I'd think Noah Lessing may like the idea that Janeway is exiled from her ship!
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By Rene on Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 11:45 am:
Why were the Maquis only brainwashed? Why not the entire crew?
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By Spornan on Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 12:09 pm:
I gather the Maquis already had the foundation for the brainwashing inside them, but a Mind Meld was the thing that ignited it.
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By Rene on Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 12:13 pm:
But apparently the original motive for his experiments was to get new recruts.
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By Adam Bomb on Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 2:56 pm:
Where are the Equinox Five? At the end of the series, we should start a "Loose Ends of Voyager" board. The Equinox Five will be right up there.
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By Adam Bomb on Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 6:41 pm:
Where are the Equinox Five? At the end of the series, we should start a "Loose Ends of Voyager" board. The Equinox Five will be right up there.
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By PaulG on Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 8:00 am:
Finally had a chance to watch the episode (I was not missing the Subway Series for anything). Still have some new nits:
When Chuckles takes over the Sick Bay, Torres is still on the bed. This seems odd. Chuckles was attacked later and is already fully recovered yet Torres, who generally refuses medical treatment unless it is absolutely necessary, remains in the Doc's care.
Kim had a delayed reaction to Chuckles' phaser blast. The special effects and the actor appeared out of sync.
Allowing Tuvok to keep his communicator is not the only security lapse in the brig. When Janeway indicates that she wants to leave the cell, the security officer nods, looks down to to release the forcefield and then turns away without ever looking up again. That's a great way to allow an escape. He should have his head up at all times with his phaser aimed at the prisoner.
I find it somewhat strange that the Maquis decided to keep using the StarFleet combadges. I am guessing they replicated their Maquis uniforms so why not new combadges at the same time?
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By ScottN on Monday, October 30, 2000 - 1:15 am:
Why didn't the Maquis security guard in the brig object or do something when Chuckles gave the ship back to Janeway? He *did* have one of those big nasty phaser rifles...
I'm glad somebody else wondered about the phaser alarms.
Good catch on the Vulcan. I noticed her too, but didn't make the connection with "Counterpoint".
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By Rizzo on Monday, October 30, 2000 - 7:50 am:
I wish that phaser weren't defective. I would have loved to see Janeway melted down.
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By Hans Thielman on Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:23 pm:
Was this vedik a follower of the Pagh Wraiths?
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By PaulG on Monday, October 30, 2000 - 2:09 pm:
Hans: I do not think it was mentioned. I suppose it is possible but, even if he was a follower of the Wraiths, it is highly unlikely that he would reveal it to any of the Maquis crewmen since it is the equivalent of worshiping evil.
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By RPGMaster on Monday, October 30, 2000 - 9:24 pm:
About the alarms, ST VI only said that the disintegration of an object would set off alarms. I do agree about scans revealing phaser fire, however alarms have never been shown, to my knowledge, when a phaser is successfully used to stun someone, and since the defective phaser that was set to kill never actually fired, if there were alarms, they probably wouldn't be set off.
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By Alleycat11 on Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 10:54 am:
""To a certain degree, this was deja vu to "Worst Case Scenario" (a better episode). I kept waiting to see Seska with her never seen until Holodec hairdo appear. :P""
Actually Seska will be back in an episode later on in the season called "Shattered"
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By Mike on Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 7:23 pm:
To quote Dr. McCoy in ST4.... "Oh....joy...."
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By Matt Pesti, V Moderater, Myth Lord (Mpesti) on Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 8:20 pm:
He does say Pah an aweful lot.
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By Rene on Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 6:21 am:
Why would he mention the Prophets if he didn't worship them?
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By The Undesirable Element on Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 1:55 pm:
Some people are just misguided. Today, there are people who will commit mass murders and say that they were just doing God's will.
Insane people don't need a motive, that's why they're insane.
(My apologies to any criminally insane nitpickers out there.)
TUE
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By KAM, amateur psychologist on Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 9:54 pm:
Even the "insane" have a motive for their actions, but it's usually one a "sane" person wouldn't understand.
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By Merat on Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 11:20 pm:
The Thoth statue on top of my computer told me to tell you that the little Egyptian mummies inside of his head told him to tell me to tell you "Hi."
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By Smart Alec on Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 11:46 pm:
Hi, Mummies. How's Deadie?
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By Spornan on Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 6:18 pm:
Woo hoo! I can finally post my nits!
Supervising producer: James...KAHN!!!!! (ok, so it's spelled differently)
Hey, Revenge of the Creature is the first Sci-Fi channel MST3K episode! And because I've seen it so many times, I can tell you that it must be a very edited version, cause it skips to about halfway through the movie in 30 seconds.
Why is a Black And White movie showin in 3-d with red and blue glasses? Is it even possible? (It could be, cause I don't know much about it)
"Tuvok, I'm putting you in charge of the investigation"--Janeway. Isn't Tuvok ALWAYS in charge of the investigation? He's chief of security, it's his job. Not to mention he was already running an investigation before Janeway said that.
Aherm. Impulse. Again. Need I say more?
Neither Tuvok nor Chakoty think to say "Computer, Lights" when entering the VERY dark mess hall, with a crazed attacked on the loose. How exactly did Tuvok become chief of security?
Isn't the Blue headed guy (Andorian? I forget) one of the four people trained by Tuvok early on in the show? If it is, that's some nice continuity.
Wow, Tuvok gets to override security protocols, and read other peoples mail? Not even the police nowadays can do that, at least not without judicial consent (A warrant)
If Tobor was working in the holodeck, why was he found sitting in a chair in Tom's Movie program, with the attacker over him? Sounds like he didn't want to admit to slacking off. :-)
Who didn't suspect Tuvok pretty much throughout the entire thing? Especially after they showed the grainy image of the attacker?
Tuvok has been "up for three days", and once again he insists upon being fine. How many times is the logical Vulcan going to be stubborn and illogical, especially when it comes to sleeping?
More impulse.
Maybe the brainwashing that happened to Tuvok is why he's always so illogical.
Seven doesn't try to stop Chakotay when Tuvok says the trigger words? She knows about the mind control.
Y'know...The Maquis were never this evil. It must be the Mind Control.
I think it's cool that Voyager has a Mute security officer in charge of the Brig. For heaven's sake, give the guy a line!
Not too many nits in this one.
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By ScottN on Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 8:51 pm:
Why is a Black And White movie showin in 3-d with red and blue glasses? Is it even possible? (It could be, cause I don't know much about it)
That's how they got the 3D FX. They show a blue tinted and a red tinted image. The images don't match, and one eye sees the blue image and the other the red, and that causes the 3D effect. Sort of like a ViewMaster image.
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By Spornan on Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 10:26 pm:
I know, I just didn't see a red and blue tint to the projected image. Did I miss it?
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By KAM on Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 12:20 am:
Yep. It was there.
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By Spornan on Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 12:49 am:
Heh, thanks for clearing that up. Color me corrected.
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By KAM on Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 1:34 am:
(checks crayon box)
I don't think Crayola makes that color. ;-)
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By Spornan on Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 4:32 am:
Sure they do! It's left of Burnt Sienna, and right of Magenta. Ya can't miss it.
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By StevieW on Monday, March 12, 2001 - 4:36 pm:
I have occasionally thought that Voyager tends to "round off" the shows too quickly but tonight I have seen more than I wanted to. When Tuvok melded for the second time with Chakotay in the ready room and brought him back to his real self I thought we could be in for some good tricks as they got the ship back in order. But NO! They march into the brig, release Janeway saying "I don't know what you said to him, but it worked!" and then roll the credits. Now that sucks BIG TIME, a lot worse than all the "somekindas" or the constant lack of any type of warp speed being used. People complain constantly about "treknobabble" and the lack of consistency in the technology, but just for once I would have been delighted to hear some explaination, however far fetched it was.
Rant over, carry on.........
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By StevieW on Monday, March 12, 2001 - 4:38 pm:
I should add that I am from England and this episode only aired over here tonight! I am not merely slow in posting!!!!!!!!!
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By Anonymous on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 7:26 am:
How about searching for fingerprints on the victims' bodies?
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By The Maquis Lawyer on Saturday, August 25, 2001 - 1:14 pm:
Tuvok isn't the only one who is acting illogical, but that is the fault of the writers, not him. I know that a number of writers feel that Human Error was the worst seventh season episode, (I haven't seen it yet so I reserve judgment), but Repression is the worst episode of the season as far as I am concerned. This goes beyond the poor pacing of the episode and the five-minute-ending syndrome. Rather, the writers seem to forgotten who these characters are and why they act the way they do. As a result, their motivations in this episode are anything but clear.
Let's take it in order. First - the Bajoran guy who starts all of this. Why does he kidnap Tuvok and brainwash him in the first place? (Remember, at that point he didn't know that Tuvok was a Federation agent). The answer, as near as I can tell from the episode, was that he had been kicked out of the Maquis because he was too extreme about Cardassians. He planned to use Tuvok to brainwash the rest of Chakotay's crew to be more like him.
That works as far as it goes. But then, the Maquis ship (if you look closely at the crew manifest, you will see that the name of the ship was the "Valjean". Was Les Miserables required reading to join the Maquis?) and Voyager are lost in the Delta Quadrant for six years. In the meantime, the Federation fought the war against the Dominion and Cardassia Prime is in ruins. What does he think he will gain by activating Tuvok's programming now? Voyager is 30,000 light-years away from the Cardassians or from him. Yes, I know, he's a madman. But to paraphrase Spock, while madness may not have a reason, it invariably has a goal.
The problem with the motivations gets worse. I posted a long (and apparently conversation-killing) essay on the Endgame board discussing why Starfleet would be on shaky legal grounds and even shakier political grounds if they try to prosecute Chakotay and the members of his Maquis cell. Whether you agree or disagree with that, the primary purpose of the Maquis was to drive the Cardassians out of the DMZ. Depending upon your point of view, the Maquis were either freedom fighters or terrorists. But they always had a goal in mind.
However, when Chakotay "remembers" his true purpose, he doesn't act like a Maquis. He and the others act like pirates. (The take over Voyager and prepare to maroon the Federation crew on some planet. He orders Tuvok to point a phaser at Janeway and fire. Chakotay even starts drinking the captain's good brandy while he is on duty. I'm surprised he didn't start walking around with an eyepatch and a parrot on his shoulder.) What do they intend to do after that? Beats me, because the writers don't seem to have thought of this issue either.
And I don't buy the they-were-acting-under-the-influence-of-Tuvok's-brainwashing explanation either. After Tuvok's programming, Chakotay and the others apparently now believe that their friends are actually their enemies and that they must set out on some quest directed by a Bajoran ex-vedic. Not only that, but they believe these things despite the fact that they remember everything that has happened to them in the past six years and despite the fact that they are 30,000 light years from being able to do anything useful for this Bajoran guy. This sounds like delusional thinking to me. Again, this is all well and good, but shouldn't even delusional people act within their established characters? The writers didn't think of that either.
In an earlier episode, Janeway and Chakotay talked about an inquiry from Starfleet Command asking about the status of the Maquis members of the crew. Janeway and Chakotay agreed that they no longer thought of themselves as Starfleet or Maquis, but only as Voyager crew. This episode could have really opened up the characters, showing why people like Chakotay and Torres joined the Maquis, how it changed them and how they have been changed by their time on Voyager. Instead, it ignored any character development and turned the Maquis into something they never were. Together with everything else, that makes a bad episode.
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By constanze on Tuesday, February 12, 2002 - 11:11 am:
what I wondered about: this bajoran guy must have been *really* good at his conscience-control stuff: he buried it inside tuvok, a vulcan with a lot of mind-control and starfleet-science at hand, for 7 years, and tuvok or anybody else never detected it? But when tuvok meditates, he immediately remembers everything. A little bit late, perhaps?
A few seasons ago there was this special episode in honor of 30 years Star Trek, where tuvok goes back with janeway with a mindmeld to sulus ship during the events of ST:5 (I can't remember the name of the episode - it was an alien masking as false memory). I would have guessed that shook a lot of memories lose! And there were all the other mindmelds and meditations, yet tuvok never noticed a repressed memory? The Bajoran was really good...
I found the episode a little bit boring, because it was clear very early that tuvok was the guilty one: the pose of the attacker in the holodeck together with the fractures on the right side of the face pointed immediately to a vulcan doing a mindmeld, yet nobody else thinks of it.
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By Vicky on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 3:19 pm:
Oh, someone beat me to it! I was well happy when I noted the Janeway nit (see top of this page).
I did find two other nits though.
1) Tuvok questions Harry. This seems odd. Tuvok is the assailant, right (though we don't know that yet) and it's his height and weight we see in that fuzzy projection. Surely, he'd be questionning people very close to his own height and weight. Harry is kinda plump and alot shorter.
2) In the scene in Tuvok's quarters, Tuvok realises he is responsible. He takes off his jacket and goes to wash his hands. He than realises the truth and you see him stagger to the door and join Janeway and Harry in the holodec. Thing is, he's comm badge is still on his jacket. However, when he reaches the holodeck, DING! He's wearing it (a little higher than normal too, I might add!)
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By Vicky on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 3:22 pm:
Just remembered
How come they don't take Tuvok to sickbay? How come they lock him in the brig. It's kinda obvious he needs medical attention!
(Answer: Because Sickbay is used later by Chakotay when he goes to deliver his message to Torres.)
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By Charles Cabe (Ccabe) on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 8:51 am:
2 reasons I can think of:
1. TPTB wanted an "Action Janway" clip for the promo, something like "Take Tuvok to the Brig". Just perfect for one of those previews that always lie (PAL).
2. Most importantly Tuvok is a threat to the crew. By this point he has attacked at least 4 of the crew. He needed to be taken to the Brig. If nothing else to prevent him from excaping. This is Tuvok, not idiot Ferengi were dealing with. IMHO, If anyone had a chance of excaping from sickbay, it would be Tuvok.
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By wolverine on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 2:04 pm:
StevieW said that we didn't see the ending with the retaking of the bridge etc.
Actually, the retaking of the ship was shown. I've just seen the episode (it was shown tonight) and we do get to see Chakotay/Tuvok take over the ship from the "neo-Maquis"!
Probably in the UK they censored the episode a bit, who knows...
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By John A. Lang on Saturday, January 01, 2005 - 3:46 pm:
The writers must be in a rut.
ANOTHER memory tampering episode?
C'mon!
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By John A. Lang on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 9:08 pm:
How can mutiny & violence be called a "holy time"? There's nothing holy about those things...no matter what the cause.
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By John-Boy on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 8:48 pm:
The idiots that crashed planes into the World Trade Center thought that they were doing holy work. Its called "Being Misguided".