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Seven of Nine uses the holodeck in an attempt to explore the concept of a social life, including a romantic relationship with another member of the crew, but her experiment may present an unexpected danger for her, as well as for the rest of the crew, when Voyager unwittingly enters an alien weapons test field where warheads emerge from subspace, escape from which is complicated by a offline warp drive.
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By Richie Vest
The Nits: Further proof of PAL.This one was boring.
1. How come Holo-Janeway didn't react to her own voice calling Seven? Or the other Holo-charaters?
2. So Icheb, a still growing kid, takes the nightshift?
One final Note: Folks, if you find errors in my spelling or grammar please point it out. Just remember to be polite about it
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By Polka-Dot Wolf on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 4:55 pm:
From what the marketing folks at UPN have shown us, this looks horrid. But, of course, the marekting dept. at UPN isn't exactly up to par with McDonnalds. Oh well, its Voyager, I'm looking forward to seeing it.
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By The Undesirable Element on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 5:12 pm:
One word:
"Holodeck"
See ya later
TUE
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By Anonymous on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 6:53 pm:
At least nobody can complain about them going at impluse since their warpdrive was out for most of the ep.
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By Corey Hines on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 7:00 pm:
The whole issue of clothing comes up again in the holodeck. Seven has holodeck clothes placed over her own. If this feature is necessary, why do people prior to this episode dress up in real clothes? And with that awsome dress Seven wears, how do her normal clothes disappear to show us the..um neckline? Similar to Lily in ST:FC.
Seven must have been distracted by her emotions when programming the program. She made mistakes, Chakotey is a vegitarian. Plus I always thought all quarters were funished with tables chairs, before anyone moves in, like on the Enterprise and DS9.
Obvious reference to Data in this ep, Omicron Theta.
I thought transporter range was 40 000km. Must be all those Borg enhancements.
With the sepressions systems on the ship, and have been existace in the Star Trek universe, surprised "Where's the fire" is still in use.
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By Rene on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 7:20 pm:
An episode with a dissappointing beginning and ending.
I was so dissappointed when it turned out to be a holographic baby shower and the ending with that Borg implant thing was lame too. Ugh.
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By Ben Cohen on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 7:32 pm:
Am I the only one who is not even bothering to watch this episode?
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By Rene on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 7:35 pm:
I wish I hadn't. Sigh. How many times do they have to tease us with fake holodeck scenes? After that happened, my interest in the episode fell very quickly.
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By Aaron Dotter on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 7:43 pm:
On one occasion they used a comm sound as the door chime(though its in seven's program)
Does Seven not know that they can keep track of the time that she is in the holodeck?
Is the holodeck always open whenever she wants it? There are over a hundred people on this ship who could all be using it.
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By Rene on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 7:46 pm:
And one thing bothered : It wasn't the Captain's business to ask Seven what she was doing in the Holodeck. What she does in there is her own business.
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By Scanner on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 7:55 pm:
The Captain didn't press 7 for what she was doing, she tip-toed around it very carefully. I would have laughed if she had just threated to check, although this probably would be forwned upon. The Captain did have every right to ask I think.
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By Josh G. on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 7:55 pm:
Well, I for one LIKED this episode. It was far from perfect, but Seven's character was handled well, and it was nice to see Jeri Ryan doing something other than "I'm the cold, unfeeling, android-like character of Voyager" routine.
But the issue with holodeck clothes bugged me too.
On the plus side, it was a nice change of pace to see REAL three-dimensional shock waves. So often they've consisted of mere rings expanding outwards.
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By Rene on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 8:01 pm:
"Well, I for one LIKED this episode. It was far from perfect"
The middle part was pretty good. But what completely ruined the episode for me was the two things I mentioned above.
Did I see right? "Teleplay by Brannon Braga and Andre Bormanis"?! I thought Braga left for the new series. Why did he have to ruin a string of good episodes with this?
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By Jason on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 8:04 pm:
I have a metronome like Seven's on my piano at home!
Voyager uses the warp drive several times this episode!!!
Jason does the happy dance!
As for the holodeck cloths thing, its possible that the newer versions of the Holodeck can create virtual cloths for the user, where older versions can't.
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By Rene on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 8:08 pm:
"The Captain did have every right to ask I think"
I don't agree. It's like missing work to watch tv and your boss demanding to know what shows you have been watching. While it's understandable for the boss to be upset, it's none of his business what you are watching.
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By Shane Tourtellotte on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 8:15 pm:
7 states that she has never been to Ensign Kim's quarters. I thought she went there in her third episode, when she famously said "Take off your clothes."
I was also amused when she tells Holo-Chakotay "I've familiarized myself with your culture", since the writers never settled on an actual culture for Chakotay, throwing in various elements of several tribes.
Our 'somekinda' of the week: "Some kind of weapon?"
It's "Brava" when a woman performs, Holo-Chuckles, not "Bravo". 7 must have really been OD'ing on those emotions to let that error slip past. :-)
Not only was 7 trying to beam out the warhead's detonator far beyond Voyager's usual transporter range, she was also trying to beam between vessels moving at different warp speeds, which has been a no-no for a long time. (The ST-TNG Technical Manual explicitly states that this cannot be done, that ships must match warp velocity before transport. "The Best of Both Worlds" was given as an example where warp speeds were matched to do so.)
If the cortical node was supposed to shut down a drone when it experienced too much emotion, why didn't it kick in during 7's experiences in Unimatrix Zero?
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By Rene on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 8:25 pm:
"If the cortical node was supposed to shut down a drone when it experienced too much emotion, why didn't it kick in during 7's experiences in Unimatrix Zero?"
Didn't the Doctor say it was dormant until it conviniently became active now?
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By Shane Tourtellotte on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 8:30 pm:
That's the word I was looking for: "conveniently" ;-)
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By Rene on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 8:49 pm:
It was written by Braga. What did you expect?
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By PaulG on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 8:56 pm:
When the scanners pickup elevated radiation levels and lots of metal debris and no ships, Janeway sees no reason to stop or, for that matter, investigate. Pardon me, but when those three things are found in the same location, I generally think of ships being destroyed by the anomaly of the week or the hidden aliens of the week. “What me worry?” is not what I would consider an appropriate response.
It’s ironic that when they finally go to warp, it almost destroys the ship.
In Seven’s close-ups in Sick Bay, her lips do not appear to be the same color as during the previous holodeck scene or the non-close-up conversation with Doc. Maybe it’s just me.
Again, when the ship’s survival is on the line, Janeway hesitates to make a decision. Just give Seven control of the transporters already! It’s not like she doesn’t know how to use them. In any case, since when does the Bridge need to give permission to use the transporters? The bad guy of the week seems to be able to access them without permission and lock out the Bridge to boot!
The Doc sees nothing wrong with Seven having an intimate relationship with a dumb hologram. This is consistent with his view from previous episodes (“Fair Haven”). I didn’t agree with that opinion last time either but I will let it slide. However, in this case we have the common symptoms of holodeck addiction. She is hiding in her holodeck world. She neglects her duties. She lies about it. She prefers the holodeck to real people. It is harming her health (no regeneration). She’s having an affair with a copy of a crewman leading to obvious emotional and professional problems. This is not healthy. Barclay needed serious counseling for this sort of thing. Yet, what does our EMH do? He encourages her to continue! Thanks, Doc. Can I stick a sharp, pointy thing into my eye while we’re at it? I can!?! Thanks… OW!
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By Spockania on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 9:30 pm:
Hmm. Most of my nits have been picked already. I also felt this was a disappointing episode. Still, I have to hand it to UPN. They were right, I did see Seven as I've always wanted- when she appeared in a Starfleet issue uniform. Shame it was just holographic though...
Just what DID the Borg do to Seven? Sometimes (like here) it seems like they ripped her apart, replaced key organs and internal thingies with implants, and then put her together again. Amazing. But no other Borg we've met seems to have been quite that hard to unBorg. This "unemotion chip" seems like nothing less than a cheap way to prevent Seven from becoming human. What a ripoff- it's the last season. I WANT to see Seven become more human.
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By TomM on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 9:42 pm:
The whole issue of clothing comes up again in the holodeck. Seven has holodeck clothes placed over her own. If this feature is necessary, why do people prior to this episode dress up in real clothes? And with that awsome dress Seven wears, how do her normal clothes disappear to show us the..um neckline? Similar to Lily in ST:FC. Corey
As for the holodeck cloths thing, its possible that the newer versions of the Holodeck can create virtual cloths for the user, where older versions can't. Jason
Another possible explanation is simply that most people like to use the time getting into costume to get into character, or just like playing dress-up. But Seven isn't used to that, yet.
And I agree with PaulG that the Doc should have been more concerned about holo-addiction, especially given her reasoning for starting the "experiment." She was already experiencing withdrawal symptoms from a similsr experience. [The holodeck as Methodone....]
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By Steve Oostrom on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 10:27 pm:
Oh, an interesting episode. I guess that the show is coming to an end soon, so they have to speed up Voyager's journey home. Now it is travelling at warp whenever it could travel at warp.
Okay, Janeway hears this message from an automated bouy (conveniently broadcasting in English!) that they are about to or are in a testing range for subspace weapons. So what does she do? She takes the ship through it. Presumably these bouys exist to warn ships of the danger they could be in and so would direct ships around the weapon's range. Our brave captain decides to push on.
Let me see. Ichib relieves Seven in astrometrics, two hours early, and then Seven has her little intimate fling with Chakotay and then returns to astrometrics... and relieves Ichib. Boy, those people have some rather long shifts.
How come Seven can hog the holodeck for so long? Is the rest of the crew so sick of them that they have decided to follow other pursuits and leave the holodecks available for those who are suffering from "holodeck addiction" (and yes, I agree, Seven is suffering from all the symptoms). I also thought that Seven looked good in the Starfleet uniform. I was wondering, though, how a holodeck can change a person's appearance, such as removing the Borg implants and altering one's clothes. It's as if the holodeck can create an illusion around a person, a holographic image superimposed over a real person. I'm not so sure I like that.
As for the problem with the transporter, I assume that if the transport is done at molecular resolution (a coarser level), it has a greater range. Even so, trying to beam out the detonator over millions of kilometres stretches credibility. I also wonder about how the transporter would work across warpfields, since once it leaves Voyager's warpfield, it returns to normal space, and... ah, forget about it. The speed of the ship and the warhead were not likely that different, since Paris was giving distances in kilometres and they were not changing that fast. If there was a significant difference in warp speeds, changes of tens of millions of kilometres in relative separation would happen within seconds.
More photon torpedoes used here, and they used the ones that can generate their own warpfields too. Don't know about that, but somebody once mentioned something about "sustainer fields."
So Seven has a cordical implant that can cause her body to shut down if she experiences too many emotions. How convenient that this device has not demonstrated this ability until now, and how convenient that we are not likely to see it demonstrate that ability again.
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By D.W. March on Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 10:30 pm:
Perhaps this episode should have been titled "Seven's holodi- ...er... deck... adventure." I thought it was fairly entertaining but dissatisfying at the end. At least now we know why Seven is such a ••••• all the time!
Was Voyager actually going at warp when the weapon hit them? What are the odds of that? I'm not being sarcastic here- space is big and if Voyager is doing their cruising speed of warp 9.9 they're going quite quite fast. Yet they still manage to intersect the detonation from this weapon!
This week's somekinda was actually justified, when Chuckles asks if it was somekinda weapon. Since he really had no idea what it was, a somekinda was acceptable to me. What annoys me is when they encounter a plain old forcefield and call it "somekinda" forcefield.
Shane, regarding transport between ships at warp: although certain rules have been established in earlier episodes, the episodes in question involved successfully transporting live persons. In this case it was control circuitry for a weapon that was about to destroy the ship... I think it's okay if it gets fried in the transport process. Also, transporter technology could have improved since the last time we saw such an unconventional beaming.
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By MarkN on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 2:41 am:
Well, I've only got about 3 things to say about this ep:
1.) Finally! Seven showing some cleavage! It's about time, and I don't care that it was only on the holodeck. Seven needs more excuses for letting her hair down, and she also needs to start using her given name, Annika.
2.) I found a 47 and I'm surprised no one else did! It was the number of the subspace munitions testing range, 4-3-4! Ok, so if you wanna be technical, it's not actually 4-7, but hey, it's close enough, right?
3.) When they blew up that warhead I thought what a piddly little explosion! Hell, it wasn't even enough to be called an explosion! More like a little pfft!
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By Keith Alan Morgan (Kmorgan) on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 4:18 am:
The Teaser. The part of the show designed to entice potential veiwers into not changing the channel & actually watching the show was... 7 playing the piano???
Can someone who is not tone deaf tell me if I should have been impressed?
LOL at "A painting of a Starfield."
Neelix mentions a Talaxian mosaic, then mentions Tulaberry Blue. Tulaberries are not Talaxian, they come from the Gamma quadrant. (And aren't they purple?)
This episode features a problem involving subspace & a character living their life on a holodeck. Nice to see an original idea here. *cough* Real Life *cough*
So 7 is feeling pain because a Borg implant is 3 MICRONS out of alignment? How big (or small) is a micron?
The aliens who use this testing range need to replicate more bouys. I believe Voyager didn't pick up a warning until they had been struck by several shockwaves.
Also where were these aliens? Isn't the whole point of a testing range to test (1) the effectiveness of a weapon & (2) the abilities of the people using them? At some point the aliens should have noticed that there was an alien spacecraft out there, potentially messing up their weapons tests.
7 says the booties will keep the babies feet warm if the temperature drops below -40°C. As opposed to, say, -40°F?
Loved the little touch when B'Elanna asks if that was 7, & Harry jokes about alien imposter, then he looks toward 7 as if thinking, 'Hey, what if...?'
My mom didn't think that 7's playing the song with emotions was any different than when she played the song without emotions.
And why couldn't 7's fantasy man have been Harry? (Oh, well, at least it wasn't Flotter.)
While watching I got the feeling that this ep had been written to answer various complaints of nitpickers.
Shane Tourtellotte - 7 states that she has never been to Ensign Kim's quarters. I thought she went there in her third episode, when she famously said "Take off your clothes."
IIRC that took place in the Mess Hall.
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By Spornan on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 4:48 am:
Seven's Piano isn't going warp at the beginning.
It may be because it's not real, but how come Seven doesn't wear a comm badge in her civillian clothes? She used to wear them before her borg implants (and catsuit) were removed. Neelix wears one too.
Not to sound like a PC whacko, but I believe that "Native Americans" prefer to be called American Indians if they are being addressed as a general race.
I will never understand why Icheb can wear normal clothes with his implants, but Seven has to wear that confining (and after seeing her in a starfleet uniform again, not very flattering) catsuit.
Guess Voyager really doesn't have to ration photon torpedoes anymore. Otherwise, I'd say they were down to about ten of the things.
KAM: I believe it was POINT three microns. Yeesh. Talk about yer princess and the pea, eh?
This episode has to have the WORST example of a Reset button ending I've ever heard. I'm surprised the doctor didn't just say, "Sorry seven, but the Plot Device won't allow you to feel extreme emotions"
Bleagh.
BTW: Jeri Ryan looks GOOD in a Starfleet uniform.
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By Brian Lombard on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 6:33 am:
So Tom and B'elanna got married, but we only saw the fake wedding in "Course Oblivion." Now, they really have a baby shower, but again, the only thing we see is the fake one on the holodeck. Will they ever show us a real ceremony?
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By Gelzyme on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 7:03 am:
Speaking of the baby shower...
At the holo baby shower, you can see a multi-colored stuffed animal on the table in one of the shots. Somehow, they have kidnapped my baby daughter's toy lizard (which on his tag says his name is "Al the Alligator" but which we have named "Lovin' Al the Lizard") and somehow brought him on to Voyager!!! And you can also see my daughter's sippy-cups (for those of you without kids, this is a cup with a lid that has a built-in straw).
So, why did they have to go to the 21st century to get baby toys?!? And, more importantly, when will my family be compensated for our loss? And what about Lovin' Al ??? Will they treat him right? Do they know the song he "sings" and when to toot the sqeaker hidden in his snout? I want answers!
Tom Paris: "You want answers?"
I think I'm entitled to them.
Tom Paris: "You want answers!?!"
I want the truth!
Tom Paris: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!"
*silence*
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By Hans Thielman on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 7:20 am:
One would think that Seven could have programmed a less argumentative Chakotay hologram when she broke up with it.
Since when do men attend baby showers?
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By voyager junkie on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 7:43 am:
Looks like someone beat me to the punch on the Tulaberry reference... And about Chuckes being a vegitarian.. Darnit!! How come Seven's implants (the Borg ones that is..) didn't shut down when the Doctor inhabited her body, got her Drunk and had sexual feelings in that episode...?
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By Spornan on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 7:58 am:
Cause the cortical node "no emotions" thing is a plot device created just for this episode in order to nullify Seven's character development, so the writers don't actually have to create realistic characters.
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By Charles Cabe (Ccabe) on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 8:48 am:
I propose we rename this episode "Tinker, Seven, Borgy, Spy".
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By Charles Cabe (Ccabe) on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 8:50 am:
Almost forgot, the metronome didn't keep very good time. It seemed to be slowing down in the teaser.
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By Ed Watson on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 10:22 am:
Bad metronome moment: The clicking was not matched up with the motion of the metronome in every shot. Since any TV scene has to change camera angles several times, it's practically impossible to keep such a precise device in sync with the sound, which makes this nit REALLY picky.
Great metronome moment: When it turns into a Borg looking "thingy" in Seven's dream. Very nice job especially considering Chuck's later reference to the similarity between the metronome and Seven's initial break from the collective.
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By Merry on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 11:37 am:
"Since when do men attend baby showers?"
Actually I've gone to several baby showers where the fathers were present and there were male guests.
Merry
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By John A. Lang on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 11:56 am:
Jeri Ryan (7 of 9) can put my fingers in her mouth ANYTIME! (see trailer)
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By Rene on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 12:16 pm:
"Speaking of the baby shower"
Didn't you already talked about the "toy theft" before? And it wasn't funny the first time either.
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By Josh G. on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 12:39 pm:
To give you an idea how big (or rather small) a micron is, there are about 25,000 of them in an inch.
As for the issue of baby showers, well, it was on the holodeck, and it is not unlikely that things change several hundred years into the future.
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By PaulG on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 12:53 pm:
Well, I found it funny. Good show, Gelzyme.
Rene, there is a fine line between anger caused by frustration and just being mean. If you must, please save your venom for targets that deserve abuse.
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By Rene on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 12:57 pm:
Why did he have to repeat it twice?
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By The Undesirable Element on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 2:15 pm:
From: "The Simpsons." (Altered slightly)
CBG: "Last night's "Star Trek: Voyager" was, without a doubt, the worst episode ever. Rest assured that I was on the Internet within minutes, registering my disgust throughout the world."
Bart: "Hey, I know it wasn't great, but what right do you have to complain?"
CBG: "As a loyal viewer, I feel they owe me."
Bart: "What? They're giving you thousands of hours of entertainment for free. What could they possibly owe you? If anything, you owe them."
CBG: "WORST! EPISODE! EVER!"
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This one ranks down there with Spirt Folk, Threshold, and 11:59. (My apologies if you liked these episodes) Unlike these episodes, however, this one actually had so much potential. What ruined this one was the ending.
WORST ENDING EVER!
What a cheat. They go through the whole episode to show how much Seven is progessing. I was actually feelin' pretty good about this episode throughout most of it. Then we get the thing about the cortical node and everything starts to go down the drain. Seven ends up with less characterization than she had at the beginning. That doesn't sound possible but somehow this episode pulled it off.
The whole weapons testing thing was pretty dumb too.
Drat. I feel bad ending my post on such a sour note. All right. This episode DID have some good points.
1. Seven asking Torres about how she does her hair.
2. Seven's own creation knew more about Seven than Seven. (This is actually a nit, but I kind of liked it.)
3. Borg Baby Booties. A MUST for every new mother.
4. The thing where Seven looks in the mirror and sees her former self was surreal (IMHO). The borgified metronome was a nice touch too.
5. ALTERNATE ENDING NEVER AIRED: Janeway bursts into the holodeck, punches seven in the face (preferably in the cortical node) and says, "You get your hands off my man." She then treats holoChakotay to the best night a hologram ever had.
(What can I say. I was bored. That's what I was thinking during the whole piano scene.)
See ya later
TUE
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By Spornan on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 2:52 pm:
Not to get too graphic or anything, but I may have a nit here.
Now, it was kinda insinuated that Seven had "relations" with Holo-Chakotay. If that's true, and her cortical node is supposed to make her higher brain functions stop working if she feels any extreme emotions...
well you can probably see where I'm going.
So is it a nit, or did Seven not "reach higher plateus of humanity", if ya know what I mean?
Bleh. I'm starting to feel like I'm Boisterously sexual to the extreme.
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By Rene on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 3:04 pm:
"WORST ENDING EVER!"
I agree. After the fake holodeck scene at the beginning, I was hoping the episode would end with Seven gone and Anika joining the crew. Instead, we got "Seven more Borg than ever."
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By Matt Nelson on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 3:50 pm:
I think my favorite part of this episode was when my mom started watching it and said, "I thought he (Chakotay) was seeing the Captain."
My kid sisters and I just about died laughing.
M@
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By Jason on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 6:44 pm:
I enjoyed the piano playing scenes... mostly because I play piano, and its nice to see a pianist on TV, even if it is faked.
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By lt dodd on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 7:05 pm:
Could someone explain the cortical node emotions thing to me because apparently I really missed something
First we have seen disconnected drones before experiences really strong emotions before and their node didn't deactivate them.
--Lore's renegade Borg who were awful hateful and angry in Descent
--In part one one of them is pissed bigtime when Riker or Data phasers his buddy and says something like I will make you suffer for that.
-- In part two Picard says to Lore all you have done is teach them to *enjoy* killing.
--Hugh was unhappy with the Enterprise sending him back to his ship knowing he could pass on individuality and allow Lore to dominate them as he says in Descent II
--Seven in the Gift was furious and frightened about being disconnected and angry at Janeway but nothing happened
--In Survival Instincts Sevni sfrightened of seeing that drone die and the possibilty of her dying laone after all that is why she permamently linked the others together.
--In UZI that disconnected drone who is being interrogated is awful scared about being dissected and doesn't shut down
--In UZII that UZ drone who returns to individuality and lunges at the Queen is awful angry at what she has done to him but nothing.
Also I thought that the Borg were emotionLESS not emotionally repressed as is insinuated in Human Error which makes it sound like the node permits the drone to experience minimal emotions and is alright until they have heightened emotional stimulation wwhich contradits everything we have been taught about linked Borg drones. Now after their link is disconnected it is consistent for them to experience emotions and emerging individuality(Survival Instincts", "The Gift")
By Rene on Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 7:47 pm:
That node was just a plot device to nulify everything that happened in this episode. Darn Braga.
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By MarkN on Friday, March 09, 2001 - 4:50 am:
Jeri Ryan looks GOOD in anything, Spornan!
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By Spornan on Friday, March 09, 2001 - 11:48 am:
I happen to think she looks ludicrous in the catsuit. But that's just me.
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By Ben Cohen on Friday, March 09, 2001 - 12:01 pm:
I agree with you, Spornan. One of the reasons I absolutely cannot stand her.
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By Polka-Dot Wolf on Friday, March 09, 2001 - 12:29 pm:
"Almost forgot, the metronome didn't keep very good time. It seemed to be slowing down in the teaser." - Mr. Cabe.
Actually, that type of metronome with the pendulum tends to slow down. Modern electric metronomes are generally preferred by musicians today.
I loved the musical touches in this episode. And not the obvious piano stuff, but the subtle score by Jay Chattaway. At times, he actually used hints of the Romantic-Period music which Seven had been playing, and sort of integrated it in with some strings. Especially nice love theme, with a haunting and somehow urgent sound when Chakotay and Seven were kissing.
When Chakotay identified the music playing in her "quarters" as Liszt, I almost jumped up and shouted "THAT WAS CHOPIN!" But Seven corrected him. A nice touch, but certainly not the first time in Trek that a character misidentifies a piece of classical music, and is corrected. In fact, its been in several Braga-written or co-written outings.
(First Contact: "Muset?" "Berlioz.")
Anyhow, I thought it was a good episode for Seven's humanity development. To take away, rather than give her what she sought at near the end of the story could be a neat tragic ending to that arc. But there are still 7 episodes left... So I think they'll probably do some more with this. And I also think the Doc is a better counterpart to Seven than Chakotay.
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By The Undesirable Element on Friday, March 09, 2001 - 6:18 pm:
I just realized that I'm turning into one of those people who says hateful things about Voyger. (I'M BECOMING RENE! OH DEAR GOD!) I like Voyager. I don't want to say hateful things. (Although if they show "Fair Haven Part 3" I think I could make an exception)
In retrospect, I can see why they made this episode. They didn't want to show Seven making progress without something going wrong. A lot of times, Seven comes out of an episode looking like the hero and the picture of perfection that she thinks she is. I guess it's good that they show her screwing up even though I would have done it differently.
Since the Series Finale is supposed to tie up loose ends, I hope they tie up Seven's road to humanity.
And I think that people who hate Seven because of what she wears are extremely shallow. You can't judge a book by it's cover, but sometimes the cover can make someone pick up the book and sample it.
(Okay, that was lame. I'll refrain from making such dumb adages.)
See ya later
TUE
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By Rene on Friday, March 09, 2001 - 7:52 pm:
"I just realized that I'm turning into one of those people who says hateful things about Voyger. (I'M BECOMING RENE! OH DEAR GOD!) I like Voyager. I don't want to say hateful things."
Um...you're allowed to hate an episode.
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By Amos on Friday, March 09, 2001 - 9:35 pm:
I don't get this whole anti-Rene thing. It's not like he's the first person to say something negative about the show. More than half of the "brash reflections" on this board are in some way negative. And well that is the nature of a nit. It's a mistake. A flub up, a screw up. An error. A negative mark on the show.
I'm all for Rene. I think I've agreed with most everything he's said except for when he didn't buy my injections aren't mind control theory.
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By Spornan on Friday, March 09, 2001 - 10:55 pm:
While I don't have any problem with Rene's feelings towards Voyager, he's gotten rather insulting with people lately. But that may be because people were treating him pretty poorly because of how he feels about the show.
If rene would keep the insults down, I wouldn't have any problems with him whatsoever.
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By The Undesirable Element on Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 9:52 am:
D'oh! Once again my twisted sense of humor gets me into trouble again. I didn't mean anything towards Rene. It was just a silly comment based on the flack he's been getting. Sorry Rene. No hard feelings?
TUE
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By Rene on Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 1:56 pm:
Nope. I just misunderstood you. You're not changing your opinion of the "terribleness" (is that even a word?) of this episode, are you?
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By John A. Lang on Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 2:01 pm:
A catfight between Janeway & 7 of 9 over Chakotay would've spiced up the episode REAL GOOD!
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By The Undesirable Element on Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 4:19 pm:
Rene: I still didn't like the episode (I still maintain "WORST ENDING EVER"), but I can understand why some would like it, and I can understand why they made it.
Just not my cup of tea, that's all.
John A. Lang: I like the way you think! :^)
TUE
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By John A. Lang on Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 7:22 pm:
To Everyone: I once wrote a script for "Voyager" and it was REJECTED!
WHOO-HOO!
(I'm not happy it was rejected, but at least they READ it. That "reject note" makes me an "unofficial writer" for "Voyager".
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By Rene on Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 7:38 pm:
Ah. Okay. I understand what you meant now
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By John A.Lang on Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 10:23 pm:
Changes of clothes in the Holodeck...how does it happen? A short explanation:
Holo-clothes(R) programmed for your Holodeck enjoyment courtesy of Macy's(R)
Holo-clothes(R) Comes in all shapes, sizes and styles.
Here's how it works:
Picard:[STFC]"Perhaps something in satin" [zap!]
Yes, just vocalize your choice of Holo-clothes(R) and zap! You're ready for your Holodeck fantasy.
Holo-clothes(R) Now at a Holodeck near you!
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By aifix on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 12:52 am:
Even though it was a holo-Neelix, I was suddenly struck by "How long does it take him do do his hair every morning?" You just can't have each follicle that perfect! And didn't his eyes used to be yellow?
More "appreciation": Seven to Neelix: "I appreciate your aesthetic insights." and to Chakotay at the end "I appreciate your offer." Janeway also has hers: "I appreciate your effort to improve our services."
Personally, I would never want a dream catcher. I want my dreams to go out and explore what wonderful universes are out there, not be "caught" and stuck on my own wall.
Why, after 7 years, is there still a distinction between Maquis and Starfleet? Meaning that Chakotay is wearing Maquis insignia. Shouldn't the separate crews be considered one and the same by now?
There are two scenes with Seven where Tuvok and the Doc are standing awful close to her, in a big room. (Granted, it makes for better framing of the shot, but still...)
For one second, I thought they got away from the somekindas. Janeway says "Report!" and Paris says "It was (not somekinda!) an energy discharge." But one second later Chakotay asks if it was somekinda weapon.
Never noticed it before, but Seven has really beautiful........ ears!
Nice direction this ep, closeups on the metronome, hands, panning over to faces. Wonderful!
One actual nit. There is a scene in the cargo bay when Seven is talking to the Doc. A Seven over-the-shoulder shot shows light on the right side of her face. Yet the closeup of her from the front has the (her own right) side of her face dark. I only noticed it because that was striking in its contrast -- I loved that shot.
I was only slightly disappointed in this ep because it reminds me of the last few episodes of TNG. "Hey, we're getting close to the end, so we better start having some character development. Let's see, how about putting Worf and Troi together. Yeah, that's the ticket!"
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By Tricorder on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 12:55 am:
OK, I'll bite and ask the question: How do Holo-clothes ® make the clothes you are currently wearing invisible? I'm referring to Seven's red dress in particular and the ... uhh, parts of her ... that it, uhh ... allowed us to see that we normally ... um, don’t.
I just saw this episode. Here are my comments and nits:
I don't know why Seven needed a metronome. With all her internal Borg circuitry, doesn't any of it include a clock? If she has something inside her akin to the chronometer that's built into my computer, why couldn't she adjust it to keep tempo? I realize there was obvious symbolism to the metronome, but realistically Seven shouldn't need such an external aid.
This week's technobabble fails me. Seven says she can't transport the detonator out of the warhead because the ship is too far away to beam through the shielding. What difference does distance make once she's established a transporter lock? My experience with Star Trek transporters is that one can finagle ways to beam through shields, but I've never heard distance being a factor.
(By the way, the scene I just mentioned totally lacked suspense. There was never a doubt that the weapon wouldn’t hurt Voyager.)
Ever since the Barclay TNG episodes, I’ve been surprised that there aren’t protocols about recreating real-life people in the holodeck. It tramples on the privacy rights of the people who are unknowingly recreated.
The supposed complexity of holodeck technology continues to baffle me. How did the Doctor not know that Chakotay was a simulation. I think if anyone could spot a hologram, it would be another hologram. The Doctor does not see in a literal fashion, so why wouldn’t he recognize a hologram for what it is?
Finally, did anyone wonder for a few seconds whether the final scene was real or set in the holodeck?
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By John A. Lang on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 1:48 am:
How do Holo-clothes(R) make the clothes you're currently wearing invisible?
3-D Totally intergrated holographics...as seen in "Batman Forever" (The Riddler's booth device at the Hotel Gotham)
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By Sheila on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 1:15 pm:
I wonder if people wouldn't use the holodeck as a way of refusing to accept the deaths of people close to them. If there were no rules, you could go on re-creating them.
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By Spornan on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 5:39 pm:
Tricorder: Seven "had" to use the metronome because in her fantasy, she didn't have internal borg circuitry, remember?
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By aifix on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 5:51 pm:
If the holodeck could change her clothing and remove her implants, why did she have to manually arrange her hairstyle? (I could see about the clothes, but her implants were every bit a part of her as her hair is.)
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By John A. Lang on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 10:44 pm:
Why did 7 of 9 have to manually arrange her hair?
BEST GUESS: She wanted to know what it was like to do so...in an effort to behave more like a human(?) I dunno.
Maybe she was working up to a classic line that most women use today: "I just washed my hair and I can't do a thing with it."(?)
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By Anonymous on Monday, March 12, 2001 - 7:52 am:
Hey, why no comments from Dan, aka Jwb52z?
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By Jwb52z on Monday, March 12, 2001 - 2:36 pm:
I am not Dan. I have not commented on this episode because I am busy with school and didn't get to see it in its first run.
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By Rene on Monday, March 12, 2001 - 3:12 pm:
That explains why you haven't defended the ending yet. I expect you will once you see it.
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By Somebody who wonders how well an animated Trek series would do in prime time nowadays; Saturday mornings doesnt seem like the right place for it, does it? on Monday, March 12, 2001 - 4:47 pm:
Maybe the holodeck superimposes an image of bare skin on top of the clothes she was wearing. That's why we saw what we don't usually see.
She uses the metronome because that's what humans would have been using. Same with the other stuff.
What were the other pieces she was playing?
Did it look like she was really playing the pieces?
At the beginning the quarters were already decorated but when Neelix comes in the quarters were bare. Did I miss something?
I didn't react much to the ending, about the Borg node whatever. I'm sure if the writers wanted to they'd have the Doc figure out how to remove them. Maybe he'd use the transporter beam.
Somebody asked why the aliens didn't show up. Maybe they were watching from a distance to see how the Voyager handles things. They might announce themselves later, after the episode is over.
By the way what was that image somebody posted on the boards and Phil decided not to allow any more images? Do I want to know?
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By cstadulis on Monday, March 12, 2001 - 5:06 pm:
Perhaps the aliens were saying, "Yee-haw, let's see if they can dodge this one!" Or maybe they saw it as a great chance to test their weapons for real: "Hey, if they're dumb enough to wander into the testing range, they deserve to get blown up."
Seriously, though, it's hard to believe they didn't notice Voyager blundering around their testing range.
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By Anonymous on Monday, March 12, 2001 - 5:54 pm:
Dan R. you are!
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By Ghel on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 3:16 pm:
"And one thing bothered : It wasn't the Captain's business to ask Seven what she was doing in the Holodeck. What she does in there is her own business."
That depends on how you consider the holodeck. Many companies today routinely monitor employees e-mail and web hits whether or not the employee is "on the clock." Since the holodeck is Starfleet property, and 7 was using it (excessively) while on the job, Janeway does have a ligitimate reason to ask about what 7 was doing. This is especially true considering her monopolization of holodeck hours.
The excessive emotion excuse did seem quite lame. I couldn't help but think of the deep trauma and isolation that Hugh and Seven both felt when they just became disconnected from the collective. They had a perfect excuse for her colapse in their hands. Seven didn't regenerate for days. I was waiting for the Doc to say that her mechanical components had used up all of their energy and needed to be charged.
As for the doctor encouraging Seven's flirtation with the holodeck, the answer is simple. He's just getting her used to the idea of dating holograms . . .namely, him! :o)
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By Ghel on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 3:19 pm:
Anonymous, whether or not Dan R. is a poster's real name, respect the guy's privacy.
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By Somebody who hopes nobody finds these ridiculous on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 7:33 pm:
I disagreed with the moderator's remark that this episode was boring. It was slow and the B story was unimaginitive, but I didn't feel like switching channels like I did during Nemesis and another one I can't think of right now. I rarely do that.
What pieces was Seven playing, and was Jeri Ryan really playing them?
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By Adam Bomb on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 7:47 am:
Looks like when Jeri Ryan was photographed, the old Vaseline/Hair Spray trick was used to create a soft, blurry look. That trick was used to death with Cybill Shepherd in "Moonlighting"
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By TomM on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 8:53 am:
I thought the effect created by covering the camera lens with a fine ply of gauze.
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By Wannabe Trek Writer on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 1:04 pm:
Polka-Dot Worf-
You can hardly fault the *writers* if the music played in an episode is misidentified. If anything, you blame the sound people who dub in the incorrect musical arrangements (and then possibly the director and producers who screen it for not catching it).
Tricorder-
Regarding your question about holo-clothes... Isn't it possible that the real clothes are removed and stored and replaced with holo-clothes? Of course, then where does Seven's external implants go?
As for some of the other comments regarding the show... Janeway has always had an active interest in Seven's development... she's Seven's adoptive mother, in a way. If Seven is spending 48 hours on the Holodeck in less than a week's time, she has every right to be concerned. She asked Seven, tip-toeing around it (as someone else pointed out), but she did not demand an answer. She accepted Seven's response about running simulations. But I suspect that the intention was that Janeway knew that Seven was embarassed to tell the truth.
Now, when holo-Chakotay began arguing with Seven, trying to convince her to stay, I expected him to turn into the Doctor. And I was disappointed that it wasn't.
As for the ending... I have a *suspicion*. Please note that this is entirely my own personal speculation and is not based on any "inside" information.
But there is always the possibility that TPTB intend to use Seven at some future point in time. Whether it be for the new show or a future film, I don't know. But she *is* a very popular character. And she *is* Brannon's girlfriend. And he *is* developing the new series. And he *did* write this episode. So it wouldn't surprise me if the idea was to curb her development for the chance to use her again sometime in the future.
It's not like there hasn't been precedent for this. There have been a lot of characters in Trek history (as well as other programs) who get their character development stripped away from them because the creators to discovered that they were much more interesting that way. Data gets an emotion chip that conveniently malfunctions. Worf's family honor is restored, then stripped away so we can watch him for another four years. In TNG, Spock and Sarek are at odds again, even though they settled their differences in ST4.
I mean, it's the quest and the journey that fascinates us, the viewers. Once the characters have achieved their goals, they tend to become very stale. So this may have been the creators' attempt to preserve their character for a little while longer.
On the other hand, it could have simply been an attempt to create an emotional ending akin to the end of TNG's, "The Offspring," one of my favorites. A character who wants to feel, but cannot. And because she cannot feel, the other characters misinterpret her behavior and responses. Seven *wants* to go to the baby shower, but she can't. And Chakotay assumes it's because she wants to avoid personal contact with the crew.
I won't say that it was perfectly executed, nor that the episode carried the emotional resonance it intended to. But it wasn't bad.
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By Rene on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 1:31 pm:
"There have been a lot of characters in Trek history (as well as other programs) who get their character development stripped away from them because the creators to discovered that they were much more interesting that way. Data gets an emotion chip that conveniently malfunctions."
That was a plot error. Generations got the reason Data didn't use the emotion chip wrong. And besides, not too many people liked Generations, so your example is bad.
"Worf's family honor is restored, then stripped away so we can watch him for another four years."
How does that compare?
"In TNG, Spock and Sarek are at odds again, even though they settled their differences in ST4."
They settled their differences about Spock joining Starfleet. In TNG, they were apparently hacing a difference of opinion on the Cardassian Wars. Again, how does that compare?
"I mean, it's the quest and the journey that fascinates us, the viewers"
Yes, the journey. But there is no journey with Seven. It's more of a stand still.
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By Rene on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 1:33 pm:
And another thing about Spock and Sarek. We did learn more about their relationship in TNG. We learn how they valued their disagreements.
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By Tricorder on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 9:39 pm:
WTW, when you say clothes are removed and stored, do you mean through holodeck-transporter technology? In the scene when the Doctor ends the program, Seven's red dress is replaced with her catsuit, so Seven never physically changed clothes. I still don't quite understand how the Doctor, a hologram himself, wasn't able to recognize that Seven was having the external implants hidden and that "Chakotay" was a hologram.
Regarding your other comments, I didn't know about Jeri Ryan and Braga. From articles I've read, Ryan keeps referring to Seven as a tragic character, which makes me wonder if she'll survive the finale. So does the presence of the Borg. Your idea about her continuing her quest toward humanity elsewhere is interesting. If so, this episode would be similar to the plotline about Data's emotion chip from TNG and the movies.
By the way, your characterization of how certain moments in the episodes should have come across was right on.
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By aifix on Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 10:19 pm:
It bugs me when a movie sets itself up for the sequel. It bugs me when a series sets itself up for the next movie, or series. Can't anybody finish a story anymore? Let the writers of the next movie/series figure out how to handle the transition.
Geez, writers, don't try to start paying attention to continuity with only six episodes left!!!
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By Wannabe Trek Writer on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 2:12 am:
Rene-
I was using those as examples of instances in Trek history where characters and their relationships were brought full circle, then (because they wanted to continue using the character) their development was taken backwards. None of those was meant to directly compare to the Seven situation.
I'm not sure how people's dislike of "Generations" should discount the validity of what I was saying. Anyhow, I was actually referring to "Insurrection," where Data's character was taken backwards to return him to that childlike innocence.
As for the Sarek/Spock scenario... You're being picky. The argument may be different, but the scenario is the same: Spock and Sarek don't get along.
What I was saying with the Seven scenario is that the intention *may* have been to curb her development because they *may* intend to use her sometime in the future beyond the scope of the show... to prevent the kind of character regression we've seen in the past.
Tricorder-
That's exactly what I meant. So when the Doctor deactivates the program, her real clothes are beamed back on her. But, again, this does not explain the cloaking of the external implants.
But I think the Doctor *did* notice Seven's implants missing, but probably just assumed (rightfully so) that it was part of her program.
As for not recognizing Chakotay... I'm not sure if it's been established that the Doctor has the ability to recognize holograms on sight. His program is presumably separate from the Holodeck program. So why should he be aware of holo-Chakotay?
aifix-
I was very clear that this was my own speculation and not necessarily the intention of the writers.
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By Moleculo, the Molecular Man on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 1:14 pm:
Here's my thoughts on the Doctor recognizing other holograms.
-Like others have said, he's seperate from the holodeck system.
-He's not a super sensor. Even the Doctor uses a tricorder to scan things.
-Given that he spents a lot of time on the holodeck himself, perhaps he has set his program not to realize things are holograms so he can 'lose himself in the fantasy' so to speak. Of course, that would be kinda odd, since he's a hologram he wouldn't have the same hangups the rest of the crew has with holograms and 'fakeness of them'.
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By Gelzyme on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 8:30 am:
Thanks for the support PaulG!
Rene, to answer your question, I posted it twice because the first post was put in the previous episode's discussion. The discussion for this episode hadn't been created yet. When it was, I wanted to make sure that it got put in the proper place. As for your opinion of the content of my post(s): Son, we live in a world that has nits. And those nits have to be picked by men with humor. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Paris? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Voyager and you curse the writers. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: That Voyager’s nits, while tragic, can be made humorous. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, makes nitpicking bearable.
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By Rene on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 1:16 pm:
I have no idea what you are talking about.
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By Polka-Dot Wolf on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 8:47 am:
WTW-
I wasn't FAULTING the writers, I thought it was a nice touch... I just couldn't help but notice that Brannon Braga co-wrote it, and he has a history of using classical music, having a character misidentify it, and then be corrected. Just thought it was funny.
Rene -
The ending was horrid, but was it an ending? Looks to me like part of a story-arc. It would be cool if they actually did something continuity-wise with this story for the last several episodes. If not, this would be a lousy end to Seven's quest for humanity. They should just kill her off anyways!
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By Brian OMarra on Friday, April 13, 2001 - 9:49 am:
In the past I have pointed out the writers' use of "reset-to-zero" when it comes to plot development. This episode brilliantly demonstrates that with frustration fully intact! I have in the past especially applied this to Seven's character: We have got to distinguish herself as the Borg-babe implants and all or if we let her character evolve then she is no more an alien member of the crew and is therefore dull.
Here Seven explores emotion through the holodeck. She desires to evolve as a character. At the start I was finally elated. Yes, Seven is moving forward. She is finally evolving toward humanity.
Then at the last minute the writers get her off the hook. Oops all this emotion is affecting her cortical implant. It could kill her. We've got to end the exercises. Goodbye to humanity! Reset her to zero!
What prior episode established this? In fact The Borg have been one big nit! Q Who established that the Borg were an unknown species to the federation and humans. They only assimilate technology not people. Then Best of Both Worlds established that their directive changed to add the assimilation of people (no nit here! Just a plot development) Then we come to Voyager and all we have are Borg nits galore.
We find in "Dark Frontier" that Seven's parents studied the Borg decades earlier and were assimilated (wouldn't the Borg then know we humans are out here?).
And as I get off this soap box. These same implants were suppose to be temporary. I belive in The Gift (Voyager's fourth season), Seven was told that these implants were necessary "until your human systems take over." Now, she can't live without them? Total plot trickery! I felt I had just wasted an hour!
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By Rene on Saturday, April 14, 2001 - 8:39 pm:
Well, the Borg has been a nit even before that...."The Neutral Zone" establish they are already in Federation Space while "Q Who" says they aren't.
By Uncle Dick on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 3:41 am:
Baby's First Tricorder. LOL!
::With the sepressions systems on the ship, and have been existace in the Star Trek universe, surprised "Where's the fire" is still in use.::
As you've no doubt noticed, these systems work about as often as the warp core ejection system. The ship is always getting torched.
::But no other Borg we've met seems to have been quite that hard to unBorg.::
Seven's the only Borg that we've "unBorged" who essentially grew up in the collective and has been a member for many years.
:kay, Janeway hears this message from an automated bouy (conveniently broadcasting in English!) that they are about to or are in a testing range for subspace weapons.::
Ever heard of the "Universal Translator"?
::Let me see. Ichib relieves Seven in astrometrics, two hours early, and then Seven has her little intimate fling with Chakotay and then returns to astrometrics... and relieves Ichib. Boy, those people have some rather long shifts.::
Well, Ichib is Borg and can therefore work a lot longer than other crewmembers.
::More photon torpedoes used here, and they used the ones that can generate their own warpfields too.::
Um, pho torps have always been able to travel at warp.
::So 7 is feeling pain because a Borg implant is 3 MICRONS out of alignment? How big (or small) is a micron?::
Well, she wasn't exactly grimicing, simply acknowledging that she felt pain. I'm sure her Borg nerves are very attuned to her condition and report even the slightest discomfort.
:ne would think that Seven could have programmed a less argumentative Chakotay hologram when she broke up with it.::
I got the impression that Seven wanted the "full experience". Chakotay's unwillingness to break up is quite realistic as we will see in "Endgame".
::Now, it was kinda insinuated that Seven had "relations" with Holo-Chakotay. If that's true, and her cortical node is supposed to make her higher brain functions stop working if she feels any extreme emotions...::
I don't think Seven had sex with Holo-Chakotay. She simply fell asleep in his arms while sitting on the couch together. After all, there was no activity anywhere near the bed, no "misplaced" clothing and no "kissing fade out".
::Personally, I would never want a dream catcher. I want my dreams to go out and explore what wonderful universes are out there, not be "caught" and stuck on my own wall.::
Dream catchers only "catch" bad dreams. Good dreams find their way through the net.
::not too many people liked Generations::
I liked Generations. I didn't *love* Generations, but I liked it. It was a respectable outing.
::It bugs me when a movie sets itself up for the sequel. It bugs me when a series sets itself up for the next movie, or series. Can't anybody finish a story anymore? Let the writers of the next movie/series figure out how to handle the transition.::
Uh huh...and that wouldn't be a *thing* like, oh, say, DEEP SPACE NINE. The finale left so many threads hanging that something's gotta be in the works.
::I have no idea what you are talking about.::
LOL!!!! Methinks Rene needs to take "Lighthearted Humor 101".
I don't think there was anything wrong with the ending and it certainly wasn't "Reset to Zero". The doctor will be able to perform this surgery on her and she will be able to experience these intense emotions without dangerous side-effects. There was hope at the end of the episode; hope for a future where 7 can confront her emotions and interact in a natural way. But her return to her alcove to regenerate shows that the internal struggle still exists.
I also believe I can explain why the emotion regulator never affected her before. Perhaps it was only intended to operate when Borg had been severed from the collective and unable to regenerate for quite some time. When 7 didn't regenerate for several days, the node sensed that she might be separated from the collective and trying to regain her individuality. Eh, it's a little thin, but it's possible.
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By Uncle Dick on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 3:43 am:
Oh, and one more thing. The Moderator seems to think this episode was boring. Boring? What? Too much character development for ya? I thought that's why people liked DS9 so much, for it's "boring" scenes of endless dialouge.
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By Stone Cold Steven Of None on Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 9:39 am:
_I_ thought that whole "unemotion chip" business was a copout too. Barbie Of Borg had been p!$$3d off at folks before: "Remove your hand or I will remove your arm!" She should've fratzed long before this ep.
Why couldn't that _other_ blond cyberbabe(She Who Must NOT Be Named)from the episode "Unity" have had one of those doohickeys? It would've stopped her from putting the moves on our boy, and saved brokenhearted J/Cers everywhere four years of pain.
My Guilty Pleasure: Seeing our gal swan about in that bright red dress with built in push up bra:-).
My LOL Moment: When Captain Janeway tells Seven Of Nine that perhaps she'll come down to Holodeck 2 and lend her a hand. No doubt those perve fanfic writers have covered _that_.
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By Anonymous on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 5:16 pm:
The most likely reason Seven's failsafe never activated until now is that the cortical implant that she has now, came from Icheb. Icheb was a newer drone, had a newer cortical implant and therefore had a newer piece of technology on it-the failsafe device. The reason it didn't activate in Body and Soul when the Doctor was in her is because it was probably suppressed until he got out of her.
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By Tonya Buchanan on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 6:17 pm:
Here is another reason: There is nothing you lose more than dying at the height of rediscovering your individuality. That would explain why it never went off until now and the reason the doctor didn't discover it in Imperfection is because he wasn't looking for it. The ex-borg under Lore in Decent? The weren't rediscovering their individuality, they were like emotional drones under Lore.
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By Beafy on Sunday, December 26, 2004 - 2:34 pm:
NANJAO: When the Doc transfers himself to the Holodeck, he's got a tricorder in his hand which must also be holographic. Have we ever seen him doing this before?
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By LUIGI NOVI on Sunday, December 26, 2004 - 4:18 pm:
I don't think so. In his first transfer ever to a holodeck in Heroes and Demons, the crew made a point of telling him that they beamed a tricorder into the holodeck waiting for him, IIRC.
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By Will on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 11:12 am:
In a world where Roddenberry wanted there to be true equality between men and women I don't find it strange that men are invited to Tom and B'Lanna's baby shower. Such antiquated women-only thinking probably won't survive another 300 years, or men-only for that matter.
Seven smiles an awful lot in this episode in the Holodeck, and it's not the holo-emitters putting a smile on her. She's actually more human and emotional than she lets on to the rest of the crew.
Why would Seven bother going to the Holodeck to 'break-up' with a hologram? Had she really gone that far over the edge and forgotten that her Chakotay wasn't real?
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By R on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 7:37 pm:
Maybe she wanted to practice or otherwise experience the emotions of a breakup? If you're gonna run an experiemtn run it to the bitter end.
"When the Doc transfers himself to the Holodeck, he's got a tricorder in his hand which must also be holographic. Have we ever seen him doing this before?" Beafy
Yes we have and one example is the ep that Paris was bulding a Camero and the Doc comments on the seatbelts and carbon monoxide levels, "Vis a Vis" I think it was. Another is the Doc transfering to the holodeck with a PADD in that ep with the Maquis mutiny program.
In two different scenes we see Seven turn a corner from a console in the holodeck to leave. Either I've missed the proper layout this whole time or the set was wrong.
It's already been mentioned how strange it was to have quarters without furniture, but what about a replicator? Sure it was a fantasy but this is Seven we're talking about here.
Sensors detect explosions several ly away and Voyager continues on the same course. They discover that the explosions are from weapons on a testing range and contiue on course. A shock wave approaches off the port beam and they don't even take evasive action. What the hell is wrong with Janeway? Change course and go around the freakin system!
Seven is late for a duty shift but is only called to astrometrics when she is needed there, so I guess it's no big deal that a civilian is late. Also, Janeway asks Chuckles why she left her post and he replies, "Good question, why don't you ask her?" Excuse me commander but I think that's your job and it's rude to answer a question with a question.
At the end Seven is operating a SF console in the cargo bay and it has Borg console sound effects.
By Tricorder on Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 12:55 am:
This week's technobabble fails me. Seven says she can't transport the detonator out of the warhead because the ship is too far away to beam through the shielding. What difference does distance make once she's established a transporter lock? My experience with Star Trek transporters is that one can finagle ways to beam through shields, but I've never heard distance being a factor.
The issue of distance is that it takes more power to transport things over longer distances. At long distances, the signal strength might not be high enough to overwhelm the shielding system.
The distance effect even happens today with radio transmissions.