There is one thing that puzzles me about Tuvok--his age. He was an ensign during the events of Star Trek VI, which I believe took place roughly 75 years prior to the launch of Voyager. I know Vulcans age slower than Humans, but he would have to be about 100 Earth years old. Sarek was about that age in "Journey to Babel", and he looked much older than Tuvok.
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By Omer on Wednesday, January 20, 1999 - 9:49 am:
Vulcans do add in a funny way - Spock seem to have aged a LOT in 60 years, and then not at all for about 80 years. Who knows anything about Vulcan atonomy?
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By Mf on Monday, January 25, 1999 - 12:19 pm:
You know, half of what we know about Vulcans was contributed by Leonard Nimoy, either through actual modifications of plot devices (e.g. the nerve pinch)or subtle additions to his performance (e.g. the idea that Vulcans are a very tactile race; Spock's stand-offishness, etc.)
In 5 years Russ has contributed nothing to Tuvok, other than a poor Nimopy imitation. And the writers have done little more.
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By Mf on Monday, January 25, 1999 - 12:33 pm:
Rant alert.
There just had to be black Vulcans.
Never mind that Spock was actually greenish (originlly conceived as red, actually - the point was to convey ALIENESS, and red make-up appeared black on the b&w tvs most people had back then, while the point was not that this was a black man, but an ALIEN)
But no. The idea of exotic, interesting, DIFFERENT races has disappeared in the pursuit
of political correctness. So now Vulcans are just like humans, with a vaguely stoic philosophy.
Well, the damage is done, let's at least WORK with it. There are no continents (no oceans) on Vulcan - so do black Vulcans (sorry- African-American Vulcans, cringe cringe) come from a different geographical region than green Vulcans? Do they have the same philosophies - do they follow the teachings of Surak? I note their names are different - not starting with an S . . .
And Tuvok is a security officer - a VULCAN security officer. There's GOTTA be an interesting story there . . . if any of the writers had ever considered giving it any thought whatsoever.
Poor Tim Russ. Casting a black man as a Vulcan turned the Vulcans into just plain Vanilla.
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By Kellkan on Monday, January 25, 1999 - 5:32 pm:
Is there an Estee Lauder counter on Vulcan?
Why not black vulcans, and Klingons too? (I dig Worf!)
But what REALLY interests me though, is that fetish for robin's egg BLUE EYESHADOW that the green brothers were so into! It looks like spock even had mascara on, and I wonder what it all means in the "alien" context.
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By Annonymous no1 on Tuesday, January 26, 1999 - 7:26 am:
That's not very fair. Not only is Leonard Nimoy a very unique person, but he had a totally new and fictionous race, which was extreamly clische'ridden, so he could work on a lot. Tuvok is like the zillionth Vulcan there we've seen; He can't go as far
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By Mf on Tuesday, January 26, 1999 - 8:30 am:
What cliches do you mean? Not only was Spock an alien, but we learned that he was an atypical Vulcan at that.
There's plenty of room to add to our knowledge of Vulcans. Or, even better, our knowledge of Tuvok as an individual. The writers haven't done it, but Russ could. Watching Generations, I can see why Russ was cast as a Vulcan. But he just hasn't done anything with it.
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By Mike Konczewski on Tuesday, January 26, 1999 - 12:32 pm:
An alien race is just as likely to evolve a black or dark brown skin color as, say, blue or red. It's much more likely than an race of identically colored beings, like those blue guys with the seams down their face.
I guess by your comments about no continents on Vulcan you're saying there's nothing to keep primitive Vulcan tribes from intermarrying and having identical skins tones. Vulcan could have had oceans in the distant past, or continental drift could have worked in reverse from Earth and brought the continents together. Or, more simply, there could be high mountain ranges in different parts of Vulcan (like the mountains and deserts that separated the primitive Asians from the primitive Europeans.
What's so interesting about a Vulcan security officer? Are you saying that security is not a logical job for a Vulcan? I've always had the impression that Vulcans work hard at any job they get, because that's the logical thing to do. This could also just be Tuvok's current job; someday he might change careers, or he has changed to this career in the past (remember, he's about 100-120 Earth years old).
By Mike Konczewski on Tuesday, January 26, 1999 - 12:37 pm:
Spock's atypicalness is why he contributed so much. I posit that, because of his dual heritage, he acting more Vulcan than most other Vulcans (check out his attitude in "Journey to Babel). His dual heritage also made him a bit more sensitive to racism (alien race, that is).
Tuvok is comfortable with his heritage, and sees no reason to pump up the Vulcan. He is more like DS9 Vulcans in that he is subtly racist; he "knows" Vulcans are better than Terrans (cf. the flashback in "Flashback").
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By Charles Cabe (Ccabe) on Tuesday, January 26, 1999 - 1:45 pm:
Just before Caretaker, Tuvok was working as a Spy on the Maquis ship. So, by my count he's only been in security for 5 years or so.
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By ScottN on Tuesday, January 26, 1999 - 3:09 pm:
Mike, they're called Bolians.
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By Mike Konczewski on Tuesday, January 26, 1999 - 3:53 pm:
Thanks; I have a problem remembering all the cameo alien races.
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By Kellkan on Tuesday, January 26, 1999 - 6:55 pm:
John sez Tuvok is half vulcan and half human....I'm not sure about that though.
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By Mark Morgan on Tuesday, January 26, 1999 - 10:46 pm:
On Tuvok's time at Security: In the first episode, I vaguely recall Janeway talking about "rescuing her security officer" (from the missing Maquis ship)--which would imply that Tuvok was in security before he was chosen to spy for the Maquis.
I don't remember anything about Tuvok being half-human, tho.
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By Mf on Wednesday, January 27, 1999 - 8:41 am:
Mike, I fully agree with you analysis of Spock. But I just am not getting anything out of Tuvok, except for his occassional one-liner. 5 years later and I just don't know that much about his personality - if he in fact has one. Every glimpse into Spock intrigued one; made one want to learn more. Even when they explore Tuvok's mental disciplines, it feels bland - actually a problem I have with most of Voyager and much of TNG. Maybe it's just me.
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By Mf on Wednesday, January 27, 1999 - 8:50 am:
Vulcans are generally considered pacificists. They will fight when it is logical to do so, but they consider violence distasteful. For a Vulcan to go into security at least deserves some exploration once in 5 years.
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By Omer on Wednesday, January 27, 1999 - 9:23 am:
I dn't think so. vulcans are NOT pacifists; The just don't like violence. The violence in a role in security is necessary one; So there's no problem in a Vulcan security guard
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By Nyla on Wednesday, January 27, 1999 - 2:24 pm:
You're right! *That's what it is that bothers me about Voy...It's okay, but I
wouldn't miss anything to see it
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By Vulcania on Wednesday, January 27, 1999 - 11:26 am:
Tuvok is one of my favorite VOY characters; I don't find him underdeveloped or boring at all. Remember the ep. with the aliens which age in reverse? The one where he mind melded with the murderer? The one where he infiltrated the black market of the planet which allowed no violent thoughts? He was very much fleshed out in those. His counseling of Janeway, his remarks about his family, the game which he and Harry play, his handling of blindness...all develop his character. His growth is not as brash as that of Paris or B'ellanna, but it is there to see for those who like his subtleness and quietness of existence.
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By Nyla on Wednesday, January 27, 1999 - 2:27 pm:
What surprises me is that all Vulcans are not black. With their climate, they
should be
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By Mike Konczewski on Thursday, January 28, 1999 - 8:21 am:
Vulcans are tricky characters. Normally you learn something about a person because they (inadvertantly or otherwise) open up. That type of behavior is anathema to Vulcans.
The only time I've seen Tuvok reveal anything about his past was when he read his message from home, his flashback to his time with Sulu (where he revealed his dislike of humans), and "Rise".
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By Mike Konczewski on Thursday, January 28, 1999 - 8:26 am:
Mf--are you implying that you have to be violent to be in security? The essence of security is to prevent violence. Look at Odo; he doesn't even carry a weapon.
Vulcans are proponents of order; a good security force maintains order. I'm responsible for security in my office, and I know you have to approach every potential situation in a way that will minimize the potential for violence and maximize order.
I'd rather have Tuvok head of security that Paris. Paris would bend the rules, let procedures slip, and be the best liked and worst organized S.O. in the history of Starfleet.
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By Mf on Thursday, January 28, 1999 - 9:03 am:
>are you implying that you have to be violent to be in security?
I'm saying a security officer is far more likely to encounter violence than other lines of work. And I think it's the security chief who fires the ship's weapons on Voyager.
>Vulcans are proponents of order; a good security force maintains order.
An excellent point, Mike. And obviously, there must be some sort of law enforcement on Vulcan. But it just seems to me to be the sort of work Vulcan arrogance would consider inferior to more intellectual or spiritual endeavors. I suspect they would view it the same way Sarek viewed Spock's decision to reject the Vulcan Science Academy and join the service. Therefore, for a Vulcan to pursue that sort of work, it should tell us something about him. Something that we have not seen in the other Vulcans we have met.
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By Omer on Thursday, January 28, 1999 - 1:04 pm:
i don't think so; It will be hypocripical of a Vulcan not to do the jobb if he can; Why should anyon else do it? Plus he can minmise the necessary violence
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By Hans Thielman on Thursday, January 28, 1999 - 1:28 pm:
I don't have a problem with Tuvok being Voyager's security officer. What other position would he hold beside possibly first officer? I don't get the impression that Tuvok, while certainly intelligent, is as intellectual as Spock, and I doubt that Tuvok has sufficient scientific background to serve as the ship's science officer.
If Spock came from the upper class of Vulcan society, Tuvok, I suspect, comes from the Vulcan middle or working class, a class which would not necessarily view disfavorably law enforcement work.
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By Mike Konczewski on Thursday, January 28, 1999 - 3:56 pm:
As a Starfleet officer, Tuvok has sworn to perform his duties to the best of his abilities. Since he's Vulcan, he would do any job, no matter how demeaning or unchallenging. If Janeway made him garbage officer, he'd do the best job possible and never complain.
There's a difference between being in a situation that may encounter violence and actively seeking it. Look at Spock; as second in command, he must have know that there would be times when he had to attack another ship, fire a phaser, etc. I'm sure that he would do what he could to avoid conflict, but, since he joined Starfleet willingly, he must have no problem with one day being in a situation that requires violence. And the same must hold true for Tuvok. If either one of them had felt a spiritual or philosophical aversion to violence, then it would have been illogical for them to join Starfleet (I believe Sarak suggested Spock go to the Science Academy).
As to choosing a profession within Starfleet, I was under the impression that an officer would work in many different disciplines while moving up in rank. Kirk had been in Engineering (cf. "Court Martial") and Navigation (cf. "Obsession"); Spock was not the Science officer under Pike; and at one point Sulu was the ship's mathematics officer (I wonder what duties that entailed). Apart from the specialties (like geology or medecine), the officers must move through different disciplines for the purpose of cross-training.
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By Mark Morgan on Saturday, January 30, 1999 - 4:20 pm:
Concerning this whole issue of vulcans and their roles in Star Fleet: didn't I hear mention of at least one ship completely of Vulcans? Wouldn't that imply Vulcan security officers--including one or another Vulcan stationed at Tactical 24/7 (or the Vulcan tiem equivalent)? And what about those Vulcan ships stolen by the Romulans to use as an assault force in "Reunfication I" and "Reunification II"? Wouldn't they have Vulcan security officers?
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By Brad W. Higgins on Sunday, January 31, 1999 - 9:47 am:
Could someone please give me the reference that says Vulcan has no oceans? I find it unlikely that humanoids could have evolved on an M-class planet without a large amount of surface water.
Also, I'm tired of the notion that all alien races must be homogeneous. Given the wide variety of physical differences that Humans have, why couldn't there be black Vulcans? I recall seeing Oriental-looking Vulcans in ST3: TSFS. We've also seen black Romulans, Klingons of different colors and forehead designs, Bolians with different patterns of blue baldness, two distinctly different races of Trill, etc, etc. I do not believe this was giving in to political correctness, but merely an effort to portray an alien species as more realistic (except for the Trill thing. The new Trills just looked better).
Then of course there are races in which we haven't seen significant physical variations. These are usually the ones requiring the heaviest makeup and appliance work, such as the Ferengi, Cardassians, Jem'Hadar, and others.
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By Charles Cabe (Ccabe) on Sunday, January 31, 1999 - 12:21 pm:
The Enclcyopedia says that Vulcan is "hot and arid". I think the no ocean refrence comes from the novels or the Animated Series.
BTW, according to Q in "All Good Things...", human life evolved in a puddle in land-locked Paris. The oceans were superflorious and unnecessary for live to evolve.
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By Nyla on Sunday, January 31, 1999 - 1:49 pm:
The Intrepid was crewed only by Vulcans, wasn't it?
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By Brad W. Higgins on Sunday, January 31, 1999 - 2:03 pm:
As a meteorologist, I have a fairly good understanding of how the oceans interact with the atmosphere, bringing moisture inland to land-locked regions. In short: No oceans=little or no atmospheric moisture anywhere on the planet=no life as we know it. But then again this is science fiction, and they can do pretty much whatever they want, can't they?
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By Mark Morgan on Sunday, January 31, 1999 - 3:42 pm:
Brad: no. That's fantasy (and even fantasy has internal rules). Science fiction should be at least a *little* plausible.
Anybody with access to some ST reference material and who would like to look up the name of Vulcan-crewed starships, the help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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By Charles Cabe (Ccabe) on Sunday, January 31, 1999 - 10:04 pm:
It was the Intrepid NCC-1631 from the Immunity Syndrome and Court-Marshal. (From the Enclclopedia)
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By Mike Konczewski on Tuesday, February 02, 1999 - 12:28 pm:
"Arid" means dry, not waterless. I don't think it's possible for life to evolve without any water and still be humanoid.
Spock says in "The Man Trap" that his ancestors evolved in a different ocean than ours, which is why his blood makeup is different than ours.
CCabe--If the writers of "All Good Things..." wer implying that life evolved in a land-locked puddle, they were completely wrong. Life evolved in the oceans; land-based life came much later, when fish evolved the ability to live on land for short periods.
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By Rodnberry on Thursday, February 04, 1999 - 4:23 am:
I'm watching "Gravity," the newest episode, where Tuvok and Paris crashland on a planet, and Lori Petty plays a woman that doesn't speak English! When she's attacked by two aliens (who do speak English), Tuvok saves her. He talks to her in English, of course, and I got to wondering just how logical is it to talk in your language to someone else who doesn't speak it? Especially coming from such a logical race, and so far away in space, with beings of races not yet met by the Federation. It never occured to me before. I do get bothered by the fact that every race Voyager meets already knows how to speak English. Or is that the Universal Translator is so advanced that not only does it make alien speech possible for communication, but also somehow shows an alien mouth forming our language! At least onscreen, that is but how to explain it when face to face with an alien in person? I know, I know. Phil's already covered that somewhere in his books.
Also, here's the first nit of this episode, since I taped it tonight and am watching it now. In the shuttlecraft is a globe a little over half hidden and it looks suspiciously like the one DaiMon Bok hid onboard Picard's old ship, the Stargazer, in the STTNG ep, The Battle. I could be wrong but it sure does look like it.
Am I using italics too much here? Sorry. I just learned how to format text. It's so cool!
This ep also shows Tuvok as a teen in flashbacks when he used to want to use emotions and couldn't understand why other Vulcans didn't, and he discusses it with an older, bearded mentor.
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By Nyla on Thursday, February 04, 1999 - 6:23 am:
Hey, Rodnberry, in regards to Ness, isn't it interesting how incredibly HUMAN
she looks? I mean, TOS *Klingons* looked more alien than this! Sorry, this should
probably go under Gravity, but I'm not posting Voy anymore, I've gotten so
apathetic in regards to it.
"Hey, you wanna watch Voy tonight?"
"Oh, I dunno, Dad. Let's watch NextGen reruns instead."
This conversation regularly takes place in my househo
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By Mike Konczewski on Thursday, February 04, 1999 - 7:09 am:
Well, here we were discussing why the writers haven't talked about Tuvok's background, and they go and serve up a big ol' hunk of backstory. This definitely puts him in a different light. No wonder he is so disdainful of human emotions; they represent a painful chapter of his life.
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By Hans Thielman on Thursday, February 04, 1999 - 12:48 pm:
Somehow I doubt that the teenaged Tuvok would have made Captain Solak's baseball team.
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By Rene on Friday, February 05, 1999 - 12:38 pm:
Mike said : "If the writers of "All Good Things..." wer implying that life evolved in a land-locked puddle, they were completely wrong. Life evolved in the oceans; land-based life came much later, when fish evolved the ability to live on land for short periods."
Interesting...Mike is saying that the theory of
evolution (and a stupid theory at that) is fact.
Yes, it is very logical to think that our complexe
bodies evolved from small single celled life forms. (sarcasm)
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By ScottN on Friday, February 05, 1999 - 2:50 pm:
Can we all stop forcing our religious opinions on each other?
That said, I'm going do to it now...
Genesis is a very good allegory for the currently accepted scientific view of the way things came about... *IF* you replace the word "Day" with "Very Long Geological Era"
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By Mike Konczewski on Friday, February 05, 1999 - 3:57 pm:
Yes Rene, that's exactly what I am saying (no sarcasm).
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By Annonymous no1 on Saturday, February 06, 1999 - 5:50 am:
People like Rene REALLY crack me up! I'm sorry, boy, but if I wouldn't laugh at you I would cry!
Genesis is a poor •••• analogy for anything. It's a fine story, but that's as far as it goes. Evolution is still at discussion, but is agreed upon as being a fair representation of evolution.
Sorry, Rene... we are all monkeys!
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By Richie Vest on Saturday, February 06, 1999 - 7:47 am:
Ok Ok Now Now Let's Go back to the subject at hand of Tuvok and Not evolution. Thanks
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By Mike Konczewski on Monday, February 08, 1999 - 6:52 am:
There was a statement made in Gravity by either Tuvok or the Vulcan master that puts a different spin on the emotionless Vulcan. The statement was that Vulcan emotions are more violent than humans, which is why they must be repressed. No wonder the Vulcans are so hung up on control. With out it, they might be in p'on farr all the time. Or like Spock in "Plato's Children"; remember how he crushed the vase in his bare hands?
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By ScottN on Monday, February 08, 1999 - 3:24 pm:
This was alluded to in TNG "Sarek" as well.
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By Hans Thielman on Friday, March 05, 1999 - 12:09 pm:
After Voyager's first officer was killed in "Caretaker," and Tuvok returned to Voyager, Captain Janeway logically should have made Tuvok, not Chakotay, the ship's first officer. Tuvok was, after all, next in the ship's chain of command after the deceased first officer, and Janeway trusted him.
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By ScottN on Friday, March 05, 1999 - 3:15 pm:
Yeah, but she needed to establish the combined crew as equals, and since Chuckles was the Maquis commander, he got to be Number One. Tuvok stays as Number Two.
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By Kaz on Monday, May 17, 1999 - 1:21 am:
I think that Tuvoks character is best brought out by contrast with those around him. You really notice the Vulcan-ness when set against Paris emotionism or Tuvoks age and experience when set against Harrys youth. Spocks' character was also enhanced by his dialogue with Bones and banter with Kirk. Otherwise Vulcans seem like wall paper.
I think Voyager writers are missing an oppertunity to explore Tuvoks character by not having him interact more with Ensign Vorik (Voyagers other resident Vulcan male). Apart from being the traditional green (also Vorik is "green" in lifes experiences as well) he makes a good contrast. He is at the beginning of his career, enthusiatic, curious about everything (especially Torres it seems) and could make the mistakes only the young can. Already he is being influenced by Paris who is teaching him slang expresseions and who knows what else! Just as they used him to go through Pon Farr rather that the main character, have Vorik doubt his abilities, need vulcan training, question whether vulcan ways are really better than the humans.
It makes more sense to me that Tuvok would nuture/mentor Vorik rather than either Kes or Kim. Especially since he is supposidly such a family man. It does not need to be screen time with Vorik, use comments to the the other characters to establish the relationship and sub-plots, it is all that would be necessary.
I liked the scene in counterpoint where Vorik and Tuvok are materialised. The non-verbal communication was excellent afterall they are unlikely to fuss or touch as humans would. Instead Tuvok looks at the younger man who acknowleges him. It is not long but it is effective.
I always imagined a variety of Vulcans. Only the same bad haircut remains static. I could imagine easily regional differences ie sand eaters (desert dwellers) vs Southerners (living in Oasis conditions) or family differences showing us cast distinctions and behaviours. Vulcan as a planet is affected by bad PR which has the desert a major part okey, seem the only thing existing on Vulcan, then add to it that Vulcans seem as approachable as icebergs and as exciting as watching grass grow and anyone given the choice between them an Risa will choose Risa (hope thats spelt right).
Spock was unique because of his mixed heritage but was also separated out by his privelleged background and familys wealth and status. It would be like a son of a wealthy family in the Victorian era, becoming an actor (and performing in public) By drawing attention to yourself and therefore your family would cause a backlash of family disapproval. Vulcans are not natural rebels, conforming is in the blood.
I agree with the comment which suggested Tuvok was more middle-class (upper middle class I think). Certainly his family belongs in another cast from Spocks' family, one which has past and current connections already to Starfleet as his parents wanted him to join (he was the one who quit then later rejoined after he started his family and found his parents were right). I am sure in Flashback we find out his parents (one or both) were serving in starfleet. They probably would have formed the back bone of the Vulcan military/defence forces (Just as Janeway and Paris both have family associations with Starfleet).
Vorik is lovely so he might be one one Spocks decentants or cousins. I hope so.
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By Scott McClenny on Monday, March 22, 1999 - 10:24 am:
Tim is a tremendous actor as are the rest of the cast of Voyager. My friend Diane was at a con in Georgia where Tim and Max Grodenchik aka Rom were guests this past weekend. She said that Tim was a VERY funny person.He was asked about Jeri Ryan and like the rest of the cast said that she is a REAL JOY to work with. As far as Tuvok goes,shouldn't that part be left
to the Character Board? Any way Max said that the Ferengi teeth made it hard to talk..but again that is for another board.
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By Steve McKinnon on Friday, September 10, 1999 - 11:42 am:
Responding to the months-old question of whether or not Vulcan has oceans, they're clearly seen while the Enterprise orbits in 'Amok Time'. The atmosphere of Vulcan creates a redish hue over them, rather than the blue of Earth.
As for Tuvok, I still have a problem believing he's well over a century old, decades and decades of Starfleet career under his belt, and still just a lieutenant!!! Or is he a lieutenant commander? Either way, this makes little sense, thanks to the writers putting him on the Excelsior in Sulu's time. A person with a century+ lifespan should have wisdom beyond Janeway's years, but the writers, again, don't exploit that characteristic.
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By ScottN on Friday, September 10, 1999 - 12:50 pm:
"Flashback" established that Tuvok left Starfleet for a while.
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By Steve McKinnon on Friday, September 10, 1999 - 1:02 pm:
If they want to be taken seriously, they'd better establish that he's been gone for about 70 years, and had to work his way up the ladder again
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By ScottN on Friday, September 10, 1999 - 2:31 pm:
Actually, I think the period of 50 years was thrown around...
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By Plantman on Thursday, August 24, 2000 - 2:29 pm:
Did Tuvok leave Starfleet because of his experience on the Excelsior?
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By ScottN on Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 3:17 pm:
Some people have wondered why Tuvok hasn't had Pon Farr yet (and TinkerTenorDoctorSpy has touched on it as well).
Everyone knows that Vulcans go into Pon Farr every seven years (excluding PF Night at the Vulcan Cafe). Of course, those would most likely be Vulcan Years -- why would Vulcan physiology evolve to Terran or Federation Standard years? Does anyone know if a Vulcan year is longer than a Standard year?
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By SLUGBUG on Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 8:56 pm:
There are rumors on the web that Tuvok will go thru Pon Farr in the Final Season.
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By Josh M on Friday, October 13, 2000 - 8:58 am:
When they said seven years back in the original Trek, I believe that they wanted it to be looked at as seven earth years to make it easier for us. I read somewhere that he may have gotten through it by locking himself in his quarters and meditating or something.
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By MarkN on Friday, December 08, 2000 - 2:47 am:
Wow! No one's said anything about Tim in almost 2 years now. Well, here's something I just found out, for all the good it'll do. He's got a new CD out. I didn't even know he could sing.
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By Anonymous on Friday, December 08, 2000 - 4:47 am:
He dosn't necessary have to sing well to put out a CD. (See William Shatner.)c