By Alasdair Wilkins on Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 1:57 pm:
Very self-explanatory. Should there be a Voyager movie, where should it be set, and how should it play out?
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By Sparrow47 on Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 8:09 pm:
How can I say this... "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!"
No, really, "Voyager" featured some of Trek's worst character work, ran roughshod over even the most basic concepts of continuity, and spun out week after week of uninteresting plots. It took me until the very end of "Voyager"'s run to realize just how bad it was. The show needs to be taken to the Trek woodshed and shot.
My other objection would be rather less emotional. The entire point of the show (with the Voyager trying to get home) came to an end with the end of the series. So it would take some spectacular leaps of logic to get the characters together again and have it be remotely believable (not that this is a real-life objection, as it doesn't seem like such concerns would ever really stop the "Voyager" creators).
And, it would be insulting for "Voyager" to get a movie and not have DS9 get the same treatment.
whew!
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By Alasdair Wilkins on Monday, September 23, 2002 - 1:29 pm:
Then will the Star Trek movie enterprise (no pun intended) end with "Nemesis"?
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By Blue Berry on Monday, September 23, 2002 - 2:19 pm:
No there should not be a Voyager movie. The same reasoning could be applied to Gilligan's Island. The series was about getting back. They made it. How would anyone be $tupid enough to get the same crew stuck back there? I know Gilligan's Island got the castaways back on the island (twice [Trust me, it was really bad]), but no one on Voyager is supposed to be as $tupid as Gilligan. Ignoring all the nits (impulse factor nine!)and sloppy character developement (BTW, Tuvok and Mr. Kim are homosexual lovers. It's been developing off screen for years and didn't just come out of left field.) a character can be incorporated in another movie. (Before they make yet another excuse to get Worf, they can have Tuvok give up the security station. Or perhaps Lt. Kim can be in the transporter room.)
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By The Undesirable Element on Monday, September 23, 2002 - 2:51 pm:
For those who think the story stopped with "Endgame", I encourage you to check out the Virtual Voyager Season 8-9 Project. It's been going on for two years. I'm not usually one to read online Star Trek stories, but these ones are really excellent. It's everything we all wanted Voyager to be.
Check it out at: vv8.jetc.org
See ya later
TUE
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By Influx on Monday, September 23, 2002 - 3:11 pm:
If there was any character from Voyager that would appear in any movie, it would be, hands down, Seven of Nine. (Alternately, the Doctor, but he was already in one!)
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By Alasdair Wilkins on Monday, September 23, 2002 - 6:06 pm:
Actually, Janeway will be in Nemesis.
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By Brian Lombard on Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 7:13 am:
Well, I have noticed that the tag line for Nemesis reads "A Generation's Final Journey Begins."
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By Alasdair Wilkins on Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 1:49 pm:
Yes, but for Insurrection, the tagline was something to the effect of "The Battle For Paradise Begins", so I doubt that we should read that as a movie series like Star Treks II-IV.
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By Alice on Saturday, October 05, 2002 - 9:11 am:
"It took me until the very end of "Voyager"'s run to realize just how bad it was. The show needs to be taken to the Trek woodshed and shot."
This is exactly what happened to me. I still have a feeling of seven wasted years!
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By Blue Berry on Saturday, October 05, 2002 - 12:17 pm:
Voyager Movie? Please, God, No. Haven't we suffered enough? For the love of a just yet merciful God, please, please. I beg of you. We'll be good from now on. Really. Really really. We'll really, really be really, really good.
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By ever-optimistic roger on Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 12:27 pm:
It would be interesting if they tried a Star Trek movie which isn't a loud, explosive action-adventure flick with lots of gunfire and chase scenes, involving efforts to save the galaxy. Maybe a "chick movie"?
Picture this. The Voyager crew gets home, and are adjusting to civilian life. Some of the crew want to get back into space, but Starfleet is stalling until they finish investigating what happened and the PTB (Powers that Be) are able to figure out who should be punished, and how, and for what. We get cameos from characters from the other series; it wouldn't be a stretch to have a 140-year-old Chekov make an appearance.
The main plot might be Janeway on Trial. Or, Seven and Chakotay Get Married. Or something else less earth-shattering than "Insurrection."
Let's just hope there wouldn't be too many flashback scenes and old film clips.
Yes, the producers might botch it as badly as "Waterworld" was botched, but it might work.
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By Alice on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 2:27 am:
Sorry, Roger, but yeuchh!
I'm a chick and I HATE the idea of a Voyager 'chick-flick'....can't think of anything worse!!!!!!!
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By Charles Cabe (Ccabe) on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:19 am:
Roger, that idea is worse than what Berman and Braga would come up with.
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By Sven of Nine on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:30 am:
Yeah, and maybe we could have Bette Midler as Kathryn Janeway and Barbara Streisand as Seven of Nine.
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By Blue Berry on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 12:56 pm:
Ensign Meg Ryan.
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By ScottN on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 1:03 pm:
Barbara Streisand as Seven of Nine.
\ yentl {"Chakotay, can you hear me?"}
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By roger on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 5:46 pm:
So I'm the only one who wouldn't mind a Star Trek movie which isn't action-adventure-save-the-galaxy-from-the-horrible-villains? I suppose it *would* turn out badly if we didn't get better producers, directors, script-writers, and science advisors...
Ahem. I guess we're stuck with the ones we've got, for the time being.
What would you think of a TNG movie which--
1. Isn't an action adventure movie but isn't a "chick flick";
2. Is a "chick flick"?
Hey, the main fans of the Original Series were young women and girls who adored Spock. If they'd made a TOS movie in 1970 it might have been a "chick flick" aimed at those teen girls.
Then again, on second thought, maybe it's just as well it wasn't... What do you think?
I never saw the Yentl movie, so I don't get the "Chakotay can you hear me?" thing. Sorry.
Many characters from Shakespeare, the Sherlock Holmes stories, and others, have had many actors portraying them. So we could have other actors portraying Trek characters. I don't see anything wrong with that, as long as the story was worthwhile.
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By Sparrow47 on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 6:45 pm:
The idea of doing a Trek movie that wouldn't be action-oriented wouldn't fly for the simple reason that the movie audience is different from the TV audience. The movie audience doesn't have to really engage with the movie on a weekly basis and thus they only consider Trek movies to be action based and the like. A "chick-flick" Trek movie, unless it were done to the utmost degree of quality and then some, would run completely contradictory to those ideas and would thus flop harder than a rubber pancake.
Besides, as I've said before: "Voyager Movie= Never, Never, NEVER!"
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By Josh M on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 9:11 pm:
I suppose it *would* turn out badly if we didn't get better producers, directors, script-writers, and science advisors...
Because they did such a horrible job on First Contact.
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By Darth Sarcasm on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 3:14 pm:
So I'm the only one who wouldn't mind a Star Trek movie which isn't action-adventure-save-the-galaxy-from-the-horrible-villains? - roger
While a worthwhile idea in theory, it isn't very marketable. Science fiction films cost a lot of money to produce. And "soft" science fiction movies (like "Solaris") are a hard sell.
Many characters from Shakespeare, the Sherlock Holmes stories, and others, have had many actors portraying them. So we could have other actors portraying Trek characters. - roger
There is a difference...
Holmes is a literary character that has been adapted to be performed. So having different actors who interpret the role differently is more readily acceptable than an actor who replaces another actor in a role created specifically for film and television. It's very difficult to re-interpret a character who has become iconic in its original performance (which is why so many people have difficulty seeing anyone but Sean Connery playing Bond).
Shakespearean (or any other stage) characters are a little different in that the character varies not just from actor to actor, but from performance to performance. One actor, playing the same role for twelve performances will ever give the exact same performance twice. In film and television, the peformance is static... it doesn't change. Every time you watch ST2, Shatner will always deliver his lines the same way. His performance defines the character... leaving little to reinterpret.
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By Very Late on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 9:11 pm:
Voyager goes back to the delta quadrent to prove that the borg actually came from V'ger (ST Motion Picture) or vice versa.
Side note: If a borg assimilated a founder, what would it look like? ( kinda hard to hide as a rock with borg tech. protruding everywhere)
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By very late on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 9:19 pm:
and how do you make a movie (or anything which dates: post voyager) when your ship(the federation) has 'special armor' (that could until recently defend against the borg) and 'transphasic torpedoes' ...
I mean what possible adversary might challenge any ship in starfleet now that they have these weapons and armor. "Not the romulans!"(spelling)
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By ScottN on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 11:13 pm:
Side note: If a borg assimilated a founder, what would it look like? ( kinda hard to hide as a rock with borg tech. protruding everywhere)
In the (non-canon) Mission Gamma DS9 novels, the Founder rejects nanoprobes during an assimilation attempt. They're immune.
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By LUIGI NOVI on Monday, February 17, 2003 - 1:52 am:
Makes sense. Founders, for all we know, may not even have blood cells, since they can survive in a vacuum, so the nanoprobes may have no discreet cells to assimilate. If a Founder can •••• up some human blood and squirt it out during a blood exam, as Joe Sisko sugggested in Homefront, it makes sense he/she could do so with nanoprobes.
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By Scott McClenny on Saturday, February 22, 2003 - 10:51 am:
I think a Voyager movie should act as sort of a
epilogue to what happened in the series,tell what
happens to the crew after they return from the Delta Quadrant with heavy focus on Seven and
the Doctor.
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By Daniel Mitchell on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:23 am:
Heard a rumor at a recent convention that the next Star Trek movie will be a Voyager movie, with flashbacks from Enterprise. Seems Archer's ship will be lost in the Delta Quadrant for most of the Fifth season, and be saved by Voyager.
Q is supposed to fix the timeline, making all this possible. No TNG people will be in it, but Odo is supposed to make a guest appearnce.
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By LUIGI NOVI on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 5:05 pm:
Yeah. Right.
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By Sven of Knowles on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 5:27 pm:
It's not beyond the realms of possibility, though - stranger things have happened.
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By LUIGI NOVI on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 6:41 pm:
Sure they have. There are those who think Harry Knowles knows what he's talking about. If that can happen, anything can.
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By 2-Cents Worth on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 7:55 pm:
Star Trek Movie:
"Voyager" Its mission, "To Seek Out New Prime Directive Violations," "To Squander Many A Precious Chance Of Shortcuts," and "To Boldly Go Home Like No One Has Gone Home Before,"
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By Harry on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 2:22 pm:
I started thinking a few months ago about a Voyager movie with the emphasis taken away from the characters who took up most of the screen time in the series, namely Janeway, Seven of Nine, and the Doctor. I've been toying around with a story set about 10 years after Voyager returns, partly based on ship (the enterprise, simply for recognition's sake) commanded by a new Captain, (possibly a protege of Janeway's), but having some of the Voyager crew, for example Torres, Naomi (now an ensign), Seven of Nine, together with new characters, and a couple of DS9 ones who are easily moveable, for example Dax as a first officer (since it's 12 years since we last saw her, it's feasible). Together with the ship-based plot, there's the families they leave behind on Earth.
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By LUIGI NOVI on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 3:11 pm:
Dax is a counselor, not a command officer.
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By ScottN on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 6:13 pm:
Luigi, didn't Dax transfer to command towards the end of S7?
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By LUIGI NOVI on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 2:58 pm:
Not that I recall. But I could be wrong.
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By Sparrow47 on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 10:10 am:
No, she stayed a counselor throuought the season.
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By Brian A on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 10:55 am:
She transferred to command in the Relaunch novels, or so I've heard.
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By Harry on Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 2:38 pm:
Kim's an engineer, that didn't stop him from taking on command jobs. More to the point, Troi's a counselor, she still took command training, could have gone into the field if she wished, although I hate to think....
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By Stone Cold Steven Of None on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 9:28 am:
A Voyager movie would, to float _my_ boat:
Have to be CGI, a la Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within or The Matrix: The Last Voyage Of The Osiris.
It might have the Borg attempt to assimilate the SuperOcampa from Cold Fire; I'm sure they'd appreciate having such power on their side. Kes could be involved, giving TIIC a chance to make up for Fury; and Susperia as well, giving them a chance to clear _that_ issue up.
Or it might have Seska's hologram attempt to incite a rebellion among those ex-EMHs slaving away in the Spice Mines Of Kessel or whatever that place was (I didn't see that ep). The idea of a war between holograms and organics was a good one that should have been given more attention than it got.
A Voyager movie would be a good cure for the Enterprise blues, IMHO.
And that's the bottom line...if you smell what I'm cooking.
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By Anonymous on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 8:26 pm:
Let's all strand them (again) in the Delta Quadrent and call the sing here on "Tuvok's Island"
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By Eight of Nine on Sunday, September 05, 2004 - 4:30 pm:
Or how about this:
Admiral Janeway is having a pleasant day in her office on Earth when suddenly she hears voices in her head. After much medical investigation and soul-searching on Janeway's part, she manages to recognise some of the voices - they are those of her old crew. She takes a hypo and finds herself waking up in Voyager's Sickbay where the Doc tells her she's been unconscious for years, having been rendered that way during the 8472 attack in "Scorpion II." It turns out everything she thinks she and Voyager went through since that moment has been nothing more than a dream. The voyage home continues - but is it any more real than the opening scenario?
(Of course, there is perhaps a bit too much of a similarity to "Total Recall" there for this plot to actually work...)
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By Zarm Rkeeg on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 10:43 am:
Y'know, Voyager doesn't have to be in the Delta Quadrant to make a movie about it. What if there was an invasion FROM the Delta Quadrant? Like those "Serpent's Tooth" aliens that they planned to use and never used again?
One good thing about a Voyager movie would be an oportunity to create a "gathering the old crew/where are they now" scene like the one that was planned for Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
But no, I don't think it's going to happen.
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By LUIGI NOVI on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 2:07 pm:
Dragon's Teeth, Zarm.
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By Zarm Rkeeg on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 4:48 pm:
D'oh!
Voyager became a watered down version of TNG-in the same way that Friday the 13th was a watered down version of Halloween
I'd like to see a Voyager movie, IF:
It's established that Voyager went into the yards immediately upon returning to Earth;
Voyager has been improved and upgraded, INCLUDING replacing those stupid 'gel packs' with normal, proper solid-state electronics/duo-tronic/tri-phasic/iso-linear whatever.
We get to see who gets to stay in Starfleet, who gets thrown in jail, and who is wherever, doing whatever.
Voyager almost NEVER saved the galaxy; they spent most of their time saving themselves.
I can see Voyager itself going into the yards; the crew getting extensive debriefing; the ship is returned to general Starfleet duty; those Voyager crewmembers who could stay in Starfleet returning to general Starfleet duty and being assigned to the same ship.
According to the novels, Janeway became an admiral, and died in the 2007 NextGen novel Before Dishonor.
Chakotay became captain of Voyager, and Tom Paris his First Officer. I assume that means that Torres remains the C.E., since she and Paris are married.
Tuvok became Captain Riker's First Officer on the Titan.
ACK! SPOILER WARNINGS! Sorry about that.
Moderator, could you include Spoiler Warnings in front of the text of my post above? Thanks.
Whoa! They SPOILER WARNING!! killed Janeway? No way! That's terrific. Not that that particular character is dead, but that the novels would actually do something like that. Good for them.
Spoiler Warning:: (highlight to read.) It was Pocket Books idea, incidentally, not Peter David's, so to those of you who are fans of, don't blame him.
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Spoiler highlight: Janeway was established to be an admiral in Nemesis.
Yeah, I realized that after I posted.
So Janeway was killed sitting at a desk? Yikes...
Janeway was cremated & the mortican found coffee grounds afterwards.
No, Torque. She wasn't killed sitting at a desk. She was "absorbed" (a new type of assimilation) by a rogue Borg cube, and made the new Borg queen. Seven, who is a teacher at the Academy, sensed something was wrong, and went to Vulcan to enlist the aid of Captain Picard and the Enterprise-E, because she figured he'd understand. I'm still reading the book, but I'm guessing she died in battle.
That's right, Tuvok's on the Titan. As for Capt. Janeway getting killed off, remember There Has To Be A 'Future Janeway' To Help Voyager Get Home As Soon As It Does. If we don't want to use her in a story, she's off somewhere else at the moment. And Nothing Is Official Unless It's On Celluloid (Or Vhs Or DVD Or...).
rumor has it-Admiral Janeway is off with Picard drinking Tea, earl grey, Hot. Picard is onto Coffee, black.
and Tuvok is onto the Titan's first officer.
(just kiddn,Sorry JohnA.)
also Tuvok can't fix a boat with nails?