By Doug on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 9:26 am:
Which would win in a battle?
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By Snick on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 10:52 am:
Okay, this one might make more sense as a discussion.
The Enterprise might be classified as a heavy cruiser or command cruiser. It is twice the size of the Voyager, with more than five times it's crew. It has the ability to separate. It has a complement of 250 photon torpedoes and ten phaser banks, as well as the most elite bridge crew Starfleet can muster, due to its flagship status.
The Voyager has ten years up on the Enterprise, making for dramatic differences in defense technology. It also seems to have a more advanced warp drive, as well as the modifications made while in the Delta Quadrant.
If each ship were taken from the year of its commissioning, I'd say the Enterprise would win, but not without extensive damage.
Of course, this is all really speculative, as I don't have access to any real technical data, and Startrek.com is sadly lacking in such.
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By Torque, Son of Keplar on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 11:30 am:
Some questions need to be answered before debate can continue.
1) Can Voyager magically create new photon torpedoes?
2) Will the Enterprise [1701-D] utilize its ability to seperate?
3) Does Voyager have Janeway's advanced shields and weapons?
4) Are we taking a look at out of the box versions of each class of ship, or versions that have been tweaked a little.
5) Who is the commanding officer of these battle scenarios?
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By ScottN on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 1:32 pm:
1) Well, duh! They did during the regular series!
2) If they're smart, yes.
3) debatable.
4) debatable.
5) Janeway and Picard
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By Torque, Son of Keplar on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 1:52 pm:
and if Picard was Locutus, no one would win...
Janeway would probably just try to cut a deal.
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By Brian Fitzgerald on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 3:22 pm:
I'd guess Enterprise in a stand up and fight since it has a more powerful matter/antimater reactor that could power the shields and phasers for longer and with more phasers it could dish out a stronger beating that Voyager could.
Since Voyager is faster and more manuverable it might be able to win if it used a series of hit and fades. Perhaps charge Enterprise (and try to evade as many torpedos as possible) and throw everything Voyager had at Enterprise at point blank range. Than get out of weapons' range ASAP, get the shields back up and make another pass. Repeat as needed. I used to use that stratagy in X-wing to take on bigger more powerful ships in fighters.
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By Snick on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 3:34 pm:
Keep in mind, Brian, that the SW tech is quite different than ST tech. Even if the Voyager can evade torpedoes, which I doubt, they'd get pasted by the Ent's powerful phaser arrays.
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By JM on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 6:53 pm:
If you take into account that the Enterprise was most likely upgraded once in a while, getting some better tech, I'd go with the D any day.
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By Torque, Son of Keplar on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 7:52 pm:
If we take into account that the Enterprise-D is currently rusting...
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By Dan Gunther on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 10:03 pm:
Brian Fitzgerald: [...] and with more phasers it could dish out a stronger beating that Voyager could.
Dan Gunther: Have to disagree with ya there, Brian. While the Enterprise may have more power behind the phasers, Voyager has more phaser banks numerically than the D. The Enterprise has 10 phaser banks, while the Voyager has 11 or 12.
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By Thande on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 6:57 am:
Darn! I was going to point out the numerical disparity in phaser banks!
Voyager could probably use its faster warp drive to get a lead on the E-D and use its torpedoes. Though even if they use their "Infinite Torpedo & Shuttle Generator 2372" they're probably limited to only 38 torpedoes at a time, while the E-D has nearly 300.
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By ScottN on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 8:31 am:
What do you mean Voyager has a faster warp drive?
VOY's top speed is 9.975, while the E-D had 9.99 something.
VOY's warp drive is more advanced because it causes less damage to the fabric of space (see Force of Nature(TNG)), probably due to a shaped warp field (pivoting nacelles).
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By Thande on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 8:55 am:
Please excuse the childish immaturity of the next sentence.
EHHHHH-URRRRGH!!! Wrong!
According to "Encounter at Farpoint" the E-D's maximum safe speed is warp 9.2, and they managed to get it up to 9.7 in an emergency. This was never surpassed with the E-D, except of course in the 'All Good Things' future timeline.
Whereas in "Caretaker" Voyager's maximum speed was stated as warp 9.975.
I think you may be confused, because Janeway & the creators, in their infinite wisdom, never actually USED this tremendous speed on Voyager's journey...in the last seasons they hardly seemed to go to warp at all.
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By ScottN on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 11:05 am:
I thought they got up to 9.9975 when being chased by Q in "Encounter at Farpoint". If not, then I'm wrong, and I'll admit it.
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By ScottN on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 11:06 am:
BTW, Thande, where's my lovely parting gift?
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By BrianA on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 2:08 pm:
Depends on if the Enterprise is the ship we saw in "The Survivors", firing phasers, torpedoes, and the kitchen sink at the Husnock ship... or the ship we saw in "Star Trek Generations" that took a few hits from an obsolete bird of prey and gave up without a shot.
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By Snick on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 2:14 pm:
Or even better, the Enterprise-D from All Good Things...(TNG), with its third nacelle, massive phaser cannon, cloaking device and Warp-13 capability.
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By Doug on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 4:48 pm:
Yes, but if the Enterprise-D was lost in the Delta Quadrant, could it survive the heavy beatings that Voyager did,
Could the Enterprise-D manuever as a Whole(without seperating in the Badlands?
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By Polls Voice on Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 7:13 pm:
Would Picard throw away an oppertunity to get home...
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By Josh M on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 1:07 am:
I think Data mentions in Encounter at Farpoint that it's possible for them to reach 9.8, but at exteme risk.
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By Thande on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 2:05 am:
Personally I always thought Voyager would have been better with a Galaxy-class ship, or another large one like a Nebula. I know part of Voyager was to have 'few' Starfleet people in the middle of the quadrant, but at least it would have made their endless victories against superior foes make more sense.
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By Nathan on Friday, June 04, 2004 - 12:06 pm:
Yes, but can the Voyager seperate it's Saucer section like the Enterprise-D can??
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By Thande on Friday, June 04, 2004 - 12:17 pm:
No.
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By The Devils Advocate on Friday, June 04, 2004 - 12:54 pm:
But can the Ent-D land on a planet like Voyager can?
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By Thande on Friday, June 04, 2004 - 1:30 pm:
Only if Troi is driving, and not repeatedly.
(See 'Generations')
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By blackestnight on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 12:20 am:
"Voyager has more phaser banks numerically than the D. The Enterprise has 10 phaser banks, while the Voyager has 11 or 12." Gunther
I think you may have the two classes confused. Galaxy class starships have 12 phaser banks when seperated. 2 saucer, 4 astern, 1 per nacelle, 1 on the keel (or bottom if N/A), 2 just behind the saucer, and 1 under the saucer. Of course I don't think I've seen an episode where more than two banks were used at one time on any starship but out of the box or motified, Enterprise would slaughter Voyager.
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By Thande on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 7:26 am:
There is only one phaser bank on the underside of the Ent-D saucer.
Still, despite Voyager's proportional superiority in armaments, the D would probably win owing to size, greater power, and a much larger supply of photon torpedoes.
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By Thande on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 7:26 am:
There is only one phaser bank on the underside of the Ent-D saucer.
Still, despite Voyager's proportional superiority in armaments, the D would probably win owing to size, greater power, and a much larger supply of photon torpedoes.
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By PA Woman on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 11:37 am:
There is no stopping in the White Zone of the Ent-D saucer.
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By PA man on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 6:58 pm:
The white zone is for stopping only.
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By Phaser on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 7:25 am:
If there's only one Phaser Bank, where will I be able to deposit all my money?
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By UNIMATRIX01 on Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 3:48 pm:
I will take captaIN KIRK On the old junker enterprise form the TOS. he would trick janeway and picard beam aboard voyager under the pretense of peace he would proceed to seduce janeway.. after a very hot captain kirkesqe night they would join forces and slap the •••• out of picard cuz all he does is talk anyways