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By Maagic on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 7:21 pm:

Noticed a nice little tip of the hat to "The Wizard of Oz"...the Captain of the Queen Anne is "Y. Harburg"...E.Y. Harburg was listed as one of the writers and lyricists of "The Wizard of Oz"


By Maagic on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 7:58 pm:

Great lines:


Mulder: "Scully...I love you"
Scully: "Oh, Brother"

:)


By Dana Scully on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 8:04 pm:

I like my new desk:)


By Amos Painter on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 8:07 pm:

Great Episode. Funny!!!!!
The only downside was that everyone laughed off the whole thing as a dream.

Also on the Continous-ness of the episode. I think they did do cuts in the action. But they hide it by pausing action pieces with holds on the walls.

The spilt screen- Wierd, Wild Stuff

Once again. GREAT GREAT GREAT Episode.

Next Week: Looks like another trip off the deep end...

~Amos


By Bob Brehm on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 8:08 pm:

the tagline was German. Could anyone translate for me. mine is somewhat rusty? I think we can now nominate Spender as the the new Ratboy.


By Kyle.powderly on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 8:09 pm:

Stylistically, what an episode! Not only did they nod graciously in the direction of "Wizard of Oz" (gotta like Skinner's line at the end in the hospital room), but the whole episode was a salute to Alfred Hitchcock's "Rope" which was meant to look like one long take. It wasn't of course, because Hitch had to change reels of film, so you'd get the camera zooming in on someone's back or a dark door or something to cover the edit. And here, if you knew what you were looking for, you knew where the edits came. But brava! to Gillian Anderson for the scene in FBI headquarters where Scully's rushing around trying to get help to find Mulder. That had to be one tough scene, occasional edit or not. I loved the split-screen stuff at the end, where Scully is on one side of the screen and Mulder and the OSS agent are on the other...especially when the two women cross the dividing line of the shots, and turn and look back like someone walked on their grave. Hoot!

Scene of the night - not the kiss between Mulder and the agent from the OSS, but where Scully plants a big ol' wet one right on Skinner. What a riot! You know they put that in because everyone would be talking about the infamous kiss between Duchovney and Anderson.

Line of the night: (Skinner) Mulder, I hope you get well soon so I can kick your a**."

And the questions of the night - did it really happen...did Mulder go back in time? And what will become of the "I love you"?


By Charles Cabe on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 8:14 pm:

I've obviously missed somthing because I didn't start disliking Spender until he ratted out Scully.

Also, Mulder points to the Bahamas and calls it Puerto Rico on the map in the Captain's office.


By Chris booton on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 8:14 pm:

Great episode, if not confusing.

Mulder should chnage his first name to panther, he spends a lot of time in the dark in this one and yet he seems to see perfectly.

So Scully finds the ship, did they do anything with it? A ship that old would certainly be worth salvaging.


By Shane Tourtellotte on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 8:15 pm:

Does the term "64 degrees west by southwest" really mean anything? It gives longitude, but not latitude. I think they just don't want any over-the-top fans going out on boats looking for the Queen Anne. :-)

And if they're having such trouble navigating, how does the captain know where they are so that he believes Mulder?

Kinda dumb, isn't it, to leave a suspected spy in a room with a working radio transmitter.

How did the Lone Gunmen manage to get visitors' passes into the FBI building? Doesn't anybody screen people out there, of all places? Not like Mulder was there to pass them in, or Scully for that matter, since she's surprised by their arrival.

Frohike says the Queen Anne was lost over 60 years ago, but from the dates given in the episode, it works out to 59.

Why is Scully still working on Skinner's floor, rather than Kersh's, her new boss?

Why wouldn't a cell phone be able to receive a transmission inside an elevator, especially when the other phone is just one or two floors away? I bet there have been previous episodes where cell phones worked just fine in elevators. Any takers?

Alternate-Scully is supposedly an agent for the OSS, the WWII-era equivalent of the CIA. However, the OSS wasn't created until 1942, and this is supposedly 1939.

So, when the unarmed engine crew attacks the armed to the teeth Nazis, count the gunshots. Why aren't the Germans shooting these people? It's not exactly as though these guys are pacifists!

And how much do you want to bet that Mulder won't be disciplined one teensy-weensy bit for this incredible stunt? Par for the course ...

Oh, and weren't those the most hilarious closing lines? Give the people what they want ... but not the way they want it, eh? ;-)


By Kyle.powderly on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 8:22 pm:

Shane Tourtellotte asks:
>Why wouldn't a cell phone be able to receive a
>transmission inside an elevator, especially when
>the other phone is just one or two floors away?

Maybe because someone was jamming the transmission? You never know...


By Brian Henley on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 8:44 pm:

This episode was okay, I thought, but I thought it would be a little better. It seemed to promise so much more.

I have a small complaint. Captions would have been nice for many of the CSM discussions. Not all of us have had Deutcheklasse!

All I could get out of this episode were a bunch of nits that I'm only 70-95% sure about.

Hmm the british guys said they'd never heard of the FBI. If I'm not mistaken, J Edger Hoover started the FBI sometime in the early 30s (about the same time as the Red Scare) people should know about it. I'll look this one up as soon as I can.

Just how did the Nazis get on this boat? This is kind of important, whether they borded the ship via surface ship or U-boat. U-boats didn't have a whole lotta room, didn't have a whole lotta crew, and those Nazis looked like soldiers, not sailors.
U-boats didn't had ANY room for marines.
So evidently they used a German surface ship. Somehow I don't think it would be a good idea to take Surface ship by a chian of British held islands (Bermuda, British VIs). I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the German surface navy stayed away from the Carib in WWII.

On to the uniforms. CSM has on a black SS uniform. Likewise, Mulder has the SS symbol on his collar when he takes the uniform from his victim. SS in the navy? Again I'm not 100% sure, but from most of the books I read, there were very few Nazis in the German navy. German navy officers had to take an oath of personal loyalty to Adolf Hitler, but that didn't earn them the ""privilege"" of wearing the swastika. That "honor" (contemptable as we find it today) was reserved for people who were members of the Nazi political party. German navy officers were usually professional, not political. The SS was a unit of soldiers who were not only loyal Germans, but also loyal Nazis. I doubt they'd be in the navy.

Of couse, it's all a dream, so does it matter? No.

Frohike wants information from the Navy AWACS...
Navy AWACS? Is there such a thing? The Airborne Warning And Command (or is it Communications? -someone help me out here if you can) Systems is pretty much and Air Force deal, isnt' it? The air force uses a huge aircraft called the "Sentry" (the one with a great big dinner plate on top of it). The Navy uses a little brother of this plane called a E-2 Hawkeye which is smaller and can land on aircraft carriers. But I've never heard them called AWACS before ...

Mulder and Scully on their knees awaiting their execution execution-style. First of all, can anyone say overkill? How many guns have they got behind them? I counted three, two of them were machine guns! Why so many? We're at point blank range. Herr Commandant Spender's not going to miss, unless he was trained by the Imperial Stormtroopers.
Second of all, they're ready to do our heroes in, and they are distracted by something as innocuous as the ships engine's stopping, and look around in amazement. Sorry, but I don't think that your average bottom rung soldier guy would even notice that the engines had stopped, much less pause in his task to ponder the greater implications of this fact.

This episode moved slow. when Scully was moving down the hall, I was mumbling, "saved a couple of minutes of dialouge and scriptwriting, didn't we?"

Maureen, a "shipper" I believe is a person who wants to see the two main leads get together romanticlly. "ship" as in "relation-ship".


By Mike Johnson on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 9:28 pm:

Just six things:

1. I AM GOOD (Sorry about the cockiness, but I called it.)

2. DIE KERSH DIE(It figures, that he would be in the company of "smoky")

3. DIE SPENDER DIE (The punk is a rat!!!!!)

4. DIE FOWLEY DIE (...And to think that Mulder actually half trusted her... To put it lightly, SHE'S WORSE THAN SPENDER)

5. The episode was SWEET!!! Liked the analogy to the wizard of OZ analogy at the end.

6. Scully I Love You [I'M NOT PSYCHO (EXPLICIT)]

More later, but I'm tired. GOODNIGHT


By Maureen on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 10:17 pm:

The German in the opening translated to "The Truth is somewhere out there", more commonly known to us as "The Truth is out there":) It looked good:) The kiss.....ah why are they torturing us? That was not even Scully, it was a scully lookalike from 1939. *sigh* It also looked good, though;) Dang, DD is cute. I loved the split -screen stuff, the music, the wonderful scene of Scully running all over the building to different offices, even that elevator shot where she accidentally smacks that girl with her paper. It was intriguing, I could not take my eyes off it:) The ending was a tad disappointing, but when Mulder said, "I Love You" it was a great great moment. Of course Scully would say exasperatedly, "Oh Brother". I do not think I am a true shipper, but a little tension is nice:) Night all!


By Joel Croteau on Sunday, November 22, 1998 - 11:45 pm:

Am I the only one who hates it when people post so many messages before a show airs?


By Shirlyn Wong on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 12:32 am:

I think this episode got me a bit seasick. ;-)

'twas nice but I was half-expecting sub-titles for the German dialogues since I don't know squat of the German language.

In the big ramble, not one shot is fired. Even when the guys are fighting to gain control, the guns don't go off. I expected some trigger-happy finger to set one machine gun off at least. Instead, we only have 3 casualties and all were shot at point blank ... or what we're led to believe.

Mulder and Scully have to learn not to start disclosing info out in the open. Mulder starts talking about the scientist on board to the guy who knew German. Take note, he wasn't at the least suspicious. Turns out he's a spy. But why didn't the other guys say "Shut up ... there's a spy among us." They say so only when Mr. Spy reveals himself.

Scully and the Lone Gunmen start talking about details of Mulder's new "escapade" out in the open and within hearing distance from one guy. And they said walls had ears. How 'bout a guy close by. Then she goes off to talk with Skinner ... she goes through the small door where she had to go through the secretary. Since she was barging in, why didn't she just barge in through the bigger door that opened to the hallway. Then when she goes off to see Kersch (sp?), she didn't smell the cigarette smoke? Careless esp. after Skinner just told her to use her head.

And if Spender really wanted to catch her on the elevator, he could've ... she was able to catch the elevator at about the same distance just moments before. I guess Spender knew she'd be back. And then, he wanted to hike the stairs and come out running after her when she gets into the van with the Lone Gunmen.

And when Mulder was fished out of the sea, no CPR or anything ... he's conscious all of a sudden. I think he should've swallowed a lot of water. I mean the bubbles coming out of his mouth meant air escaping from his lungs.

I guess these just point to one thing ... it couldn't have happened other than in Mulder's "dream." Well, in that case, Scully kissing Skinner never happened either.

One question ... how'd the guy in the elevator get in when Skinner got off? Could've sworn he was blocking the elevator doors when he was telling Scully to leave him alone.

Scully must feel better now that Mulder said "I love you" though he must be way-out-there due to the medication. At least she doesn't have to feel threatened by Fowley.

I hope next week's 2-part episode doesn't turn out to be another dream ... but I guess it will based on the title alone and the preview. Seems like the dream-dusts have settled in. Or the stuff the doctors gave Mulder is very powerful he's going to be in dreamland for a week (2 more episodes).


By The Twelfth Man on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 1:53 am:

Yet another Oz tribute... Mulder's wrecked boat just before the opening title sequence was either the "Lady Garland" or the "Judy Garland" (I didn't get that good a look at the flotsam...)

-12-


By K.N.D. on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 4:00 am:

Yes, Joel C., you are the only one. Well, I'm chiming in late (cause my dad wouldn't let
me stay up late) but here goes: This Episode Is On My Top Ten List. Why? you ask. Well,
in (more or less) numerical sequence: 1. Scully gets a desk, although not an office. I
guess The Desk For Dana Fund will be closing down now.
2. I love the way they filmed this, in constant motion. It added so much realism and
action; this is a true X-File, close, tight, dark, but very funny.
3. I agree totally with Mike J. Spender is a little headnodding jerk, Kersch is an
interesting jerk, and Skinner is the greatest guy that ever lived. Bet he thinks so too,
after the way she kissed him! We liked that!
4. Frohike didn't once come on to Scully. He must finally be getting the message.
5. I, too, loved the split scene in the hallway. Maybe the women could sort of feel
each other's presence all those years ago. Maybe that's the true explantion of the
creeps. Noo...Besides, Scully can't get the creeps. Yeah, right.
6.Okay, here we go. More 'evidence' of reincarnation in the X-File universe. And does
anyone else remember The Field Where I Died, in which Mulder 'remembers' the CSM
being a Nazi?
7. I loved the music. It seemed to so fit the show. Everytime I hear that song now,
I'm gonna think of people happily socking each other, while Scully creeps forward
down a hallway.

The Parts In the 40's
1. Would the sailors have time to haul him up? they are being boarded, after all.
2.Well, I have to admit laughing quite a bit about the White House pun.
3. I agree. wasn't it kinda stupid to leave Mulder in the room with the radio? If
nothing else, he might break a valuble piece of equipment.
4. Did that guy actually resemble Oppenheimer?
5.Okay. The 'kiss'. Well, I guess I can take out the parentheses, that was definetly a
kiss! Mike, you were right on the nose. Well, it was pretty fun, especially when she
punched him. He should have known!

Okay, I saved the best part for last. The Hospital Scene. That was great. I, too, liked
the Wizard of Oz references and...well, you know. It figured that she wouldn't
believe him when he finally got the nerve (or got drugged up enough) to tell her. Sigh.
It was still great, though.
P.S. Does anyone know who wrote the next one? Darin Morgan would be my guess,
after seeing the preview


By Aaron Nadler on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 5:55 am:

The whole Nazi sequence was kind of told off as a dream, but why does Mulder feel the bruise on his cheek from OSS-Scully's punch?

I loooooved Scully's "help me or I'll kill you" spiel to Spender!

BTW, this episode finalizes the location of the basement office. Straight down the hall from the elevator, turn right, and it's the first left on your....left.

The best line: "God bless America, now get your a**es out of here!"
- Nazi Skinner: does this show us his true alliegence when dealing with the CSM?


By Trevor burgess on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 7:39 am:

i liked the photography but holy smokes what a dumb episode.. :-P


By Murray Leeder on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 7:50 am:

An instant classic. Man, was this ever a lot of fun. The photography along was a roller-coaster to watch. Scully's adventures in floor-changing alone must have been an enormous headache for the set people!

All the good stuff is taken all ready, I fear.

Mulder probably should have considered the possibility that he was in the past, not vice-versa.

Mulder seems completely convinced that reversing course would correct the history. It's as good a hypothesis as any, but it's pure speculation.

Alt-Spender is pointing a gun as Alt-Scully, and Alt-Cancerman is standing DIRECTLY behind her. Not smart.


By Maagic on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 8:52 am:

Spender has a secretary? Hmm..Mulder never needed a secretary...Also I thought his office was in the basement. Why would a basement have large windows?


By Anonymous on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 9:58 am:

In 1939, OSS hadn't yet been established.
Also, even though it seems to all be just a dream, it is not plausible that the Nazis would have captured the Queen Anne on September 3, 1939. That was the day Britain declared war on Germany.


By Andy Grieser on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 10:39 am:

Was Oppenheimer really Thor's Hammer? After all, the ship TH was on supposedly disappeared, and we all know Oppenheimer went on to help develop the Bomb.

I ask only because when I heard "Thor's Hammer," I said, "Oppenheimer" to my wife, only to second-guess that based on the QA's disappearance.


By Robert Donahou on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 11:42 am:

here's one for you when the Scully from 1939 says "What now Einstien" this was a little anachronistic. Einstien's popularity at that time little known. and unless I'm wrong the phrase was not popularized untill the mid-'60's


By K.N.D. on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 11:56 am:

Thank you, I noticed that too, Robert. My guess: She said she knew Einstein's theory
of relativity. She may have just invented that phrase! (Granted she's unusal.


By D Mann on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 12:02 pm:

No, Joel C., you are not the only one...I had a friend once who spent months crabbing about "First Contact" before the film opened because he objected to the title--he jumped to the conclusion that it referred to the Borg and of course, the Federation had already made 1st contact with the Borg, so the movie people must be just plain stupid...I had to put up with this BS for several other films as well, so reading people attempting to guess ahead or interpret (usually incorrectly) based on previews (and as we know, PAL) is moderately annoying.
I don't mind the "Are they gonna kiss?" stuff, but there have been times when people seem to get all honked off about womething they've seen in the preview: "I don't believe they're gonna brundle bingle tweedle! How COULD they?!" You're seeing things out of context, folks. Reserve thy judgement lest ye waste bandewidthe.


By The Twelfth Man on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 12:17 pm:

After going to the tape, Mulder's wrecked boat is in fact the "Judy Garland", continuing the Oz theme.

-12-


By K.N.D. on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 12:36 pm:

Well, SORRY.
Yo, Twelfth Man, Charles and I have a little something to discuss with you...


By Mcheyne on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 1:14 pm:

Well, being that it is a dream, Mulder's mental meanderings might have placed everything in the way he wanted it to. Mulder being left alone with a radio? The crew being locked up in the engine room? The usual World War II movie stereotypes? The usual slow way the Nazis kill prisoners?

Also, the characters here represent their place in the real world, perhaps (or at least how Mulder perceives them). Scully, initially skeptical, but now his best friend; Skinner, initially sinister, but now an ally; The CSM, extremely evil always; Spender, ditto; and Kersh, a beleagured man, a "slave" to forces more powerful. Perhaps Mulder believes Kersh will become a "Skinner".


While some people may speak the language of Deutchsland, I can't. Subtitles next time please!


By Sarah on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 1:16 pm:

i, too, really really enjoyed this episode. i thought act 1 was draggy and boring, but it sure picked up!

i think chris carter missed out on a chance to make an interesting dilemma, however....as long as he was peopling the past with folks from the present, why not make the CSM a GOOD guy? like maybe thor's hammer? THEN let's watch mulder struggle with saving his behind...

the only thing i did NOT like about the episode is that the lighting was so dark sometimes i couldn't see that some of the present folks were in the past...i couldn't distinguish the faces enough (or, maybe it's just age LOL)
great one, again!!!


By K.N.D. on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 3:05 pm:

Good point, Sarah! It would have been nice to see that with Mulder & the CSM.
By the by, have any other nitpickers discovered Gossamer yet? The stores are a lot
better than the Officially Sanctioned Books. Right now I'm liking Char Hall and Ra
Enright. Anyone else? Please respond..


By Bob Brehm on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 3:23 pm:

I seem to recall Mulder's boat being called The Lady Garland. also, when Scully went into Kershe's office CSM was of in the far corner of his office.


By Hans Thielman on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 3:33 pm:

Where was Well Manicured Man in Mulder's dream? I realize he is supposed to be dead, but WMM could have been the ship's captain or a passenger.


By The Twelfth Man on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 5:15 pm:

Was Krychek the baby-faced Nazi?

-12-


By The Twelfth Man on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 5:16 pm:

K.N.D, what do you and Charles have to ask me? I am not, repeat NOT Deux Mann.

-12-


By Murray Leeder on Monday, November 23, 1998 - 6:48 pm:

Mulder is one busy man! "Drive" was dated November 15, by Crump's mug shot. Mulder arrives on the ship on November 16.


By K.N.D. on Tuesday, November 24, 1998 - 3:17 am:

12fth Man, I am so indescribliy sorry I feel like punching myself. I am very sorry that
I besmirched in anyway your reputation and I'm going to go tell Charles too. You see,
over in the Seven Days board, I asked you, Scott, if you were at the official XF board
too. You answered yes, that you were The Twelfth Man. *For Some Reason*, I later
thoght that Charles Cabe had been the one to answer my post. I called him Twelfth
Man, he went 'huh?' I told him , without bothering to check (Doh!!) that a Charles
Cabe had anwered my post saying that he was the12fth Man. So, understandably,
Charles is going to be a little upset at me, when I go over and tell him my mistake.
And if you decide to hunt me down and brutally murder me, I'll understand.


By The Twelfth Man on Tuesday, November 24, 1998 - 10:29 am:

Oh come now... On behalf of the International Jewish Conspiracy (I know, wrong episode), it is my solemn duty to forgive you <grin>

-12-


By Deuce on Tuesday, November 24, 1998 - 11:33 am:

Everyone's complaining that Scully just shrugged off Mulder's "I love you". But think about it: he's been teasing her for years. "Scully: marry me." "Does this display of boyish agility turn you on at all?" etc, etc, dozens of innuendo-laden remarks. Why would she pay attention to this one? Especially if he's doped up. (Great line: "I want some.")

I was actually annyoed by the swing music, at least during the tip-toe through the halls scenes.

AND... I don't think this was a dream. Mulder went off the find the ship. He did. But somehow, he fell through a timewarp that didn't apply to Scully and TLG. So when he leapt off the ship, he escaped the time warp and was picked up by TLG in the boat. I think.

I HATE SPENDER. KILL HIM. I think we have a "Weaselboy" companion to Krycek's "Ratboy". (Although Spender's even MORE of an a**hole that Krycek).


By Ben Jackson on Tuesday, November 24, 1998 - 4:58 pm:

ARRGGGGG!!!!!! It's been two days and still I'm angry!!! ERG! Okay, what happened was I was watching the episode, gettting really excited, '39 Spender pulls the gun on '39 Scully when......
THE SCREEN BLANKS OUT!!!!! ARRRRG!!!!! AND IT DIDN'T COME BACK ON!!!!!!!!! Well, I'm glad that that didn't get as profane as I thought it would. but still, ARRGGGGGG!!!!!!

WEASLEBOY(great nickname Deuce) IS EVIL! KILL HIM!!!

Ben Jackson

P.S. What is a shipper? I have no clue.


By K.N.D. also known as WiB y2k on Tuesday, November 24, 1998 - 5:18 pm:

Definition: A shipper is one who wants a deeper relationship between M&S than the
partner/friend thing. As you may have guessed, 'shipper' is short for relationshipper.
True, we could also call friendshippers shippers but it would cause some confusion.
Shippers range from mild ones who just would maybe like a kiss and those three little
words, to the slobs who want them to sleep together. Actually, the best definition I
ever read is this: A friendshipper is one who thinks with the part of their body above
their neck, i.e. their head. A shipper is one who thinks with the parts of their body
above the waistline, i.e. their heart. And the sleazy shippers think with the part of
their body that, unless they're really weird aliens, resides below their waist.

Twelfth Man: thank you, thank you very much. Elvis has left the building! <feeling
somewhat better about herself.>


By Mike Johnson on Wednesday, November 25, 1998 - 9:24 pm:

Did anybody notice the irony in the Oz analogy in both the episode and the beginning of this Bulletin board?


By Jar-Jar Binks on Saturday, November 28, 1998 - 8:07 pm:

What a wonderfull Nazi episode!


By The Twelfth Man on Sunday, November 29, 1998 - 2:41 am:

Since nobody has said it yet...

Great Line: "I was expecting a left"

-12-


By Sean Marotta on Sunday, November 29, 1998 - 5:50 pm:

There's a slight problem with the radio in Mulder's "cell". "Bei Mir Bist Du Shon" starts playing. This is obviously coming from the radio since it fades as the camera pulls out. It's very unlikely that Mulder happened to come across a radio station withing broadcast range of the Devil's Triangle that was playing the song coincidentally.
Nice touch on playing "Sing Sing Sing" for that long fight scene too.


By Mrs. X...oops that is K.N.D. on Monday, November 30, 1998 - 1:25 pm:

Yes, Mike, *I* noticed it. But since I was the one who started it, I thought I would
wait graciously til someone else saw it


By Mike C on Tuesday, December 01, 1998 - 12:25 pm:

Is it Geoffrey Spender or Jeffrey Spender? I always thought "Geoffrey" was pronounced "Geo-ffrey", but I guess not. Help me out!


Also, "Triangle", while entertaining, seems to be leading the way to dang odd, even kitcsh, campy X-Files. "The Beginning" and "Drive", while weird, were at least traditional X-Files...somewhat. "Triangle" and "Dreamland" are strange little things that could all be written off as dreams. I miss the days when a ravenous serial killer would polish off hapless souls in their bathrooms. The CSM has been turned, through media overexposure, I'm thinking, into this comic book supervillain/tortured soul who "sniff" wants to write "sniff" a book and "sniff" has a son who doesn't love him and "sniff boo-hooo..." Remember when he was evil? (And yes, he was pretty evil in "The Beginning" and "Triangle", but in "Triangle", he was reduced [in "real life" sequences] to this thug who checks up on the X-Files.) I miss the Well-Manicured Man.


By D Mann on Tuesday, December 01, 1998 - 12:44 pm:

Geoffrey is a British spelling for "Jeffrey," and is generally pronounced as such. It can be pronounced "Joffrey," as in the ballet, but more often than not it's "Jeffrey."

Hence, Goeff Downes of Asia and Beatles engineer Geoff Emerick are both Jeffs.

And yeah, I miss the good old days of nasty, evil, deadly serious, not-at-all campy X-Files episodes like "Jose Chung's From Outer Space."


By The Twelfth Man on Tuesday, December 01, 1998 - 2:26 pm:

Hey, "Jose Chung" is a (thinly veiled) tribute to Kurosawa's brilliant "Rashomon"

-12-


By D Blue Mann on Tuesday, December 01, 1998 - 4:33 pm:

Um...I'm not sure how to process that. I was being ironic, in that episodes that include some form of humor and/or camp are nothing new to X-Files. Less directly, it's much like using Star Trek:TOS' "Trouble With Tribbles" and "Piece of the Action" to defend the existence of DS9's "Take Me Out to the Ballpark." If "Chung" contains references to Kurosawa or any other work, great. I've never seen "Rashomon." But I loved "Chung." So please don't get the impression I was cutting down the episode.


By Murray Leeder on Tuesday, December 01, 1998 - 8:18 pm:

The fact that it views occurences over and over again from different viewpoints. "Rashomon" takes four different stances of one event. However, I think that's just a similarity- I don't think that's what Darin Morgan had it in mind. It is, however, a tribute to some Russian novel (I forget the name) of similar themes- whose main character is a Lord Kinbote.


By D Confused Mann on Tuesday, December 01, 1998 - 10:15 pm:

Right, right, I get that...I still don't know what it has to do with the original thread.


By Murray Leeder on Tuesday, December 01, 1998 - 10:38 pm:

Nothing. It just needed to be said. Actually, that episode contains myriad references, but I don't think it is an intentional homage to "Rashomon"


By K.N.D. on Wednesday, December 02, 1998 - 3:22 am:

Sure. Fine. *Whatever.* :-)
You have a point, though. As good and lighthearted as the X-Files are, I would kinda
like to see some angst again. After all, the One Breath sequence is my favorite. (Jose
Chung is right behind it.) Remember Demons? And Gethsmane?


By D Explained-to Mann on Wednesday, December 02, 1998 - 2:22 pm:

Okey-dokey.


By Mike C on Thursday, December 03, 1998 - 4:02 pm:

Angst is not good or bad in itself, it's just how they use it. I thought it worked in such episodes as "Memento Mori", but I think the show needs stronger villains now more than ever.

CSM: Originally really nasty, we now find he's just a struggling writer who wants people to love him.

WMM: Originally really nasty, we now find he's a loving grandpa, who wants to save his kids.

KRYCEK: Originally really nasty, we now find he fantasies himself as Han Solo from Star Wars, fighting the good fight against those alien slimeballs.

Adding on such midly threatening characters as the FIRST ELDER (who is extremely easy to make fun at), BOUNTY HUNTER (who is neat...if he doesn't talk), GRAY-HAIRED MAN (actually, I love this guy), and (cough cough) SPENDER and FOWLEY (Spender had more promise as an arrogant kid agent, Fowley never had much promise at all, and seemed to kick off a Betty and Veronica type thing).

We need strong villains!


By Mike Konczewski on Friday, December 04, 1998 - 6:54 am:

The thing that makes a strong villian (as opposed to a one-dimensional Snidely Whiplash type) is that they are just as human as we are. Sort of a "There for but the grace of God go I."

The fact that CSM suffers and wants to be loved doesn't remove the fact that he is evil.

I do have a problem with Spender though. He's so wimpy I think my 5-year old niece could take him.


By D. Stuart on Friday, April 02, 1999 - 5:28 pm:

Did anyone notice how resemblant this particular episode is to the movie The Philadelphia Experiment? I mean, the protagonist within both tales resultfully leaps overboard and returns to his "present."


By ScottN on Wednesday, December 01, 1999 - 9:26 am:

Caught this again on a rerun late last night on FX.

I still love the split screen scene with the hallway where the Scully's run past each other, pause, and look around for a second "who just walked over my grave?"...


By Josh M on Friday, September 08, 2000 - 10:17 pm:

Great Line:
"God bless America. Now get your a**es out of here."
-Triangle Skinner
That's one of my favorite parts


By constanze on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 5:56 am:

How did the Lone Gunmen manage to get visitors' passes into the FBI building? Doesn't anybody screen people out there, of all places? Not like Mulder was there to pass them in, or Scully for that matter, since she's surprised by their arrival.

They faked them using their computer skills?

Hmm the british guys said they'd never heard of the FBI. If I'm not mistaken, J Edger Hoover started the FBI sometime in the early 30s (about the same time as the Red Scare) people should know about it. I'll look this one up as soon as I can.

Even if the FBI started in the 30s, that doesn't mean some sailors from another country would'Ve heard about it! Do you know the name for the British, or German, or French, internal police force?


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