Existence (Part 2 of 2) (Season Finale)

Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections: XFiles: Season Eight: Existence (Part 2 of 2) (Season Finale)

By trekkerxphile on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 5:00 pm:

Is this the last episode of the series???


By Lee Jamilkowski (Ljamilkowski) on Monday, April 02, 2001 - 3:08 pm:

Potentially. They are going to write it so that it can wrap up the series, if need be, or continue on to another season, also.


By Lee Jamilkowski (Ljamilkowski) on Monday, April 02, 2001 - 3:09 pm:

This episode is the technically a part two of two, continued from the previous episode.


By trekkerxphile on Friday, May 18, 2001 - 11:19 pm:

It's not the end of the series. They've officially been renewed for a ninth season.


By Anonymous on Saturday, May 19, 2001 - 2:57 pm:

but without David Duchovny


By Matthew Patterson (Mpatterson) on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 7:59 pm:

... wow, that was so horribly written that I couldn't tell what was going on.

Would it have been so hard for them to have ended this series a year ago?

And is it just me, or has Scully been pregnant for well nigh ten or eleven months now?


By Amos on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 8:00 pm:

Okay. Now that's what I call a finale. But only if it had been a series finale instead of a season finale. It would have been great for that.

I'm now totally miffed as to what's up the aliens and who wants what now.


By Amos on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 8:02 pm:

Matt, I think it was more badly editted than badly written. But it might have been both.

As for how long Scully has been pregnant, I figured they didn't count the summer as being very long time wise, and well it's TV time so events can span any time frame they want. I think if you did the calendar math based on On Show dates it would come out near 9 months or so.


By Brian Fitzgerald on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 8:11 pm:

seeing as this season did not even start untill november I'd say we are safe in assuming that it's only been 9 months since the end of last season.


By Brian Fitzgerald on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 8:35 pm:

Trivia: Scully was taken to someplace in north GA and Reyes said that Dogget was born their. Robert "Dogget" Patrick is from Marietta GA. Also Mulder must have set some kind of record for getting from DC to GA because he left at night and found Scully before the sun came up.


By Jason on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 8:41 pm:

Ok, is anyone else confused here? The Aliens wanted Scully to have her baby? Did they just want to make sure that he was born, or did they intend to kidnap it and changed their minds?


By Brian Fitzgerald on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 8:47 pm:

I think that they wanted to see if it was the "super-baby" (Made to fight the guys like Billy Miles) but left when they found out that it was just the succuss of her in-vetro fertalization with Mulder's DNA


By Jason on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 8:51 pm:

Either that, or they wanted to make sure that Scully had her baby and that it didn't fall into the hands of the wrong people like the evil doctors from the last episode.

I thought that the regeneation sequence from the Morgue was kinda cool. I wonder what happened with the rest of Billy (the part still in the box). It it still there, or did he pick himself up and put himself back together with the robo-skeleton.

Speaking of the robo-skeleton, I wonder if billy has the same trouble with metal detectors that Wolvereen does?


By Harvey Kitzman on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 8:57 pm:

About time that Ratboy got it!! I hope that Kersh goes down too.

Were any of you thinking about the human/alien baby from V as Scully was delivering?

At least we can assume that The Lone Gunmen survived the cliffhanger. TPTB at Fox are morons for ending that series.


By Vicki on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 9:45 pm:

I really liked the three Magi touch in the last scene.


By Miko Iko on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 9:52 pm:

Anybody else wondering if James Cameron would make a cameo, what with Robert Patrick and the whole "terminator" aspect of Billy Miles?:)


By Charles Cabe (Ccabe) on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 9:54 pm:

I liked the Jesus references, ("I followed a light", etc.) Especially how The Lone Gunmen were the three wise men. (Who got their show cancelled after 13 episodes.)


By Matthew Patterson (Mpatterson) on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 9:59 pm:

Right. So, considering the Jesus references... my vote is that the kid's blood will turn out to be the perfect vaccine for the alien virus, but to save the world, he will have to die.


By Lee Jamilkowski (Ljamilkowski) on Sunday, May 20, 2001 - 10:06 pm:

Well, I liked this episode. I really did. It was a nice touch seeing Krychek's artificial hand after he got shot. But for some reason, I thought he had a graft of another hand before; of course, it's been a while since I focused on that particular detail.

I guess that Jimmy and Yves did not want to stop by and say hi.

I was beginning to think that some of the "back of the neck" alien/human replicants were working for the good aliens and wanted to save William. Now, I am just kind of confused.

The kiss was nice and sweet. If Chris Carter has the show go his way, that is the end of using Mulder and Scully period. If might have been nicer going into this episode not knowing that anyone was not returning next season.


By S. Wong on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 12:14 am:

Hmm, I didn't quite think Ratboy was gonna be the one to go. Wonder what he was trying to say looking back and forth between Skinner and Mulder.
Yeah, it was cool to see that metal spine recreate itself at the start of the episode. Wonder why the protrusion on the upper spine though ... so they could identify each other as being alien/human hybrids? Don't they have better ways to do it? Now that Agent Reyes knows how to identify them, will everyone start checking each others' nape?
Ok, so if the lady officer was one of the replacements, why did Billy have to go all the way there? That would've kept things under wraps and if the intent was to really take away the baby, they could've done that. Also why were all the others there, too?
Loved the scene when Doggett exchanged barbs with Kersch. Let's see how Kersch fares under the microscope. ;-)
Harvey, I thought I was the only one who thought about the V series human/alien child ... mentioned it in the "Three Words" episode discussion. :-)
Yeah, the lines are pretty fuzzy now ... who's good/bad aliens. And what happened to the Bounty Hunter?
So, it's Doggett and Reyes on the X-Files, we all know Scully will be back for next season, how will they write out Mulder? I guess we have a long wait ahead unless a movie is coming up this summer.


By S. Wong on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 12:35 am:

Nice of Scully to specify who she was naming her son after since there are 3 Williams ... Mulder's dad, Mulder (William Fox or vice versa) and her dad.


By MarkN on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 12:55 am:

I loved that Scully named her li'l bambino William. It's my middle name.

'Bout time Fox and Dana finally kissed! Makes ya wonder if David would really stay or not, so Fox could marry Dana, but of course that just ain't gonna happen.

Now I've got even more reason to hate Kersh.

How was it possible for the metal vertebra to replicate itself just by flipping itself up and spinning, let alone able to do it at all? What properties does it have? Maybe I missed something, and I don't mean that it's of alien origin. That I knew.

I just watched it on tape (just had to watch "The Sopranos"!) so I was able to slo-mo that one guy's two death scenes. You know, the guy who got it in the parking garage. I just hope that FOX has a hell of a good insurance policy, seeing the kind of punishment that stuntman took. Or was it the actor himself? Hmmm. Of course it was a dummy both times, as was very obvious in slo-mo. But y'all knew that already, didn'tcha?


By BF on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 12:59 am:

I don't know how they'll write Mulder out, but I would think that they would either have to get David Duchovny to come back for the final episode, or they would have to kill Mulder off. For real.

I was kind of worried that Skinner might turn out to be a replicant when Dogget tried to use the phone in Skinner's office! Glad I was wrong.

I was also throwing around T2 jokes when the replicant was hanging onto Skinner and Dogget's vehicle. The episode was fun, even if the writing and editing stank. I give it a 7 out of 10 (would be an 8, but I took off one point for the ending).


By Hans Thielman on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 7:23 am:

How did the Lone Gunmen get out of their predicament in their series ending cliffhanger?


By Brian Fitzgerald on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 11:19 am:

this ep takes place either before or after the gunmen's clifhanger.

They won't kill Mulder because Chris Carter wants to do another X-files movie and wants Mulder to star in it.


By DonnaR on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 11:21 am:

I think it would be better for neither Mulder nor Scully to come back next season, but just refer to them vaguely as "out there" somewhere, fighting aliens and raising little William. Leave them open for occasional guest shots or movies.


By Sarah Perkins on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 12:06 pm:

And since this is a nitpicking board:
When Skinner and Doggett are escaping from the replicants in the garage, they ram one with the car. He rolls up the hood and smashes into their windshield (and you can see it fully spiderweb), but in subsequent shots, the windshield is whole (no, not *missing*--I watched carefully and there are reflections and neither of our good agents' hair is being streamed back by the wind).

Re: next season: A friend of mine postulated that Scully should remain as a consultent to D and R on the X-Files, while Mulder can be the stay-at-home dad. Surely they could get Duchovney to come in and do a guest spot, or just record some phone dialogue or something!

I *loved* the kiss...about time!

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE.

So long, X-Files.


By D. Stuart on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 1:04 pm:

What happened to Asst. Dir. Walter Skinner's nanobot virus?

What ever happened to that alien/human hybrid baby seen in the previews that led up to this episode? I miss Cigarette-Smoking Man/Cancer Man/Raul Bloodworth/C. G. B. Spender. At least every time he made an appearance we received far more lucid information and epiphanies.

It has been eight to nine years. These are tremendously patient alien invaders. How long have they been waiting? What is it, over thirty years? Why do they need the human collaborators, anyway?

What were Alex Krycek's motives, considering I thought he, too, sought the elimination of Dana's unborn child? Were his two human replacement alien allies intending to vanquish the child or facilitate in its birth? What exactly was his influence and position at the present time? I highly doubt Alex Krycek headed the Syndicate/Consortium.

Special Agent Fox W. Mulder is strangely unfazed by Alex's death at the hands of Asst. Dir. Walter Skinner. Fox does not even gain some type of smirk or physical gesture signifying some satisfaction or trauma out of the villain's death. No reaction whatsoever. Speaking of the fatal shot, being shot pointblank in the head kills you instantly, giving Alex Krycek no time to verbally respond--let alone diverting his eyes briefly to Fox.

Special Agent Monica Reyes (it is Monica, right?) seems slightly inept and awkwardly hesitant oftentimes. Am I the only one who feels this about her character? She is also suspiciously docile about and relieved by the human replacement aliens' intrusion on Dana's parturition. Is it that she is simply confused and frightened over everything and thereby focuses her energies solely on delivering Dana's baby? Additionally, did she not almost appear as if she had the "black oil" both times when catching a glimpse of the peculiarly glowing star?

BF, I also noted how that one human replacement alien's clinging to the automobile is quite reminiscent of Robert Patrick's character's actions in Terminator 2: Judgment Day.

And the number one thing I wish to indicate (perhaps, more or less, outright ask): DOES EVERYTHING REGARDING THE LATEST DEVELOPMENT IN THE CONSPIRACY OCCUR OR REVOLVE AROUND THE WASHINGTON, D. C. FBI HEADQUARTERS PARKING LOT?


By MikeC on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 1:58 pm:

Note...this is a far-out theory, and if Duchovny totally leaves next season, it makes no sense, but let me try it.

As I said before, Mulder is a replicant. He has been since he returned (the real Mulder is either captured, dead, or perhaps this is the real Mulder, but is under some strange force). All of his actions have had little to no effect in stopping the alien forces since his return. He has helped Scully or Doggett in order to ingratiate himself, and in actuality, he may have orders to do so, as the aliens want Scully (and her baby) to survive (for some reason), and they want Doggett around so that Scully's doesn't freak out about the X-Files.

Since his return, Mulder did stop the alien enterprise in "Vienen," but I believe that was an arranged and fabricated event by the aliens to win Doggett's support of Mulder during the event (Doggett, if he thought about it, could be bright enough to figure out what's going on). Billy Miles had no intention of killing Mulder or Scully during the various chases--in fact, everything might have been averted if Krycek, a wild card to the aliens, did not show up.

I believe that Miles was given the task of killing Skinner and/or Krycek in order to rid them from the playing field (notice how he spends much of his free time stalking them, when if Scully was his pigeon, he should be making a beeline over there right away). Either Knowle or Crane were intentionally sacrificed or the aliens decided to get rid of Doggett in a way not implicating Mulder. Miles failed to kill Skinner, and by then, it was too late (needed for security in Georgia). Mulder, I believe, was about to kill Krycek in the car park garage (notice how he is unafraid of Krycek) when Skinner showed up. While dying, Krycek realized what was going on, and taunted Skinner to shoot Mulder, perhaps to reveal Mulder's true identity (of course, hey, CSM's died before, too).

Mulder is now under the assignment to guard Scully/baby, and make sure that nothing happens to her, so that the baby can get grow old enough to fulfill the alien plans. Doggett and Reyes are possibly a threat, but Mulder cannot do anything to them without arousing suspicion from Scully.

BTW, this also explains why Mulder found Scully so easily in Georgia, why Mulder showed no emotion at Krycek's death, and why Mulder's back of his neck has rarely been seen this season.


By Jason on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 2:38 pm:

You people are all paranoid.

Jason puts on his anti-thought control helmat and hides in his bunker.


By Anonymous on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 3:51 pm:

Does any body think that Monica Reyes charter is the female version of Frank Black Chris carters charter form millennium


By BF on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 9:17 pm:

Sarah: Skinner doesn't have enough hair for the wind to be streamed by the wind! :)

D. Stuart: Re-read my post. The replicant hanging onto the car is exactly why I was making T2 jokes! (I hope they get Robert Patrick back for T3, but I doubt it)

MikeC: Your theory about Mulder sounds good. I haven't watched enough episodes this season to agree or disagree with you, but you make some valid points. And Mulder's reaction to Krychek's death was not the way you would expect Fox to react at all!

Anonymous: That's exactly what I was thinking!

I'm kind of both glad and sad that the Lone Gunmen series was cancelled. It was funny as heck, but not as good as it should have been. I'd say that this episode took place after their season finale, and they survived somehow. Carter would be an idiot if he killed them off!


By Brian Fitzgerald on Monday, May 21, 2001 - 10:59 pm:

I hope they get Robert Patrick back for T3, but I doubt it

They won't he's already said as much. Now they are talking about Vin Desel at the evil terminator.


By Brian Floyd, aka BF on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 2:21 am:

Vin Diesel, eh? I heard they were considering Arnold play an evil Termator again. Glad they decided not to go there!

I liked the idea that was suggested way back in the day before T2....

Why not an evil, FEMALE Terminator, that looks exactly like Sarah Connor?

Have they said if Linda Hamilton or Edward Furlong would be back? Or is it going to be set in the future, where the Terminators come from? I haven't heard any details.


I'd kill for a Terminator vs. Predator movie, but its never gonna happen. :(


By Brian Floyd on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 2:23 am:

D'oh! That should read "I heard they were considering having Arnold play an evil Terminator again."

Excuse the spelling mistakes. I'm a little bit sick right now.


By DonnaR on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 9:20 am:

I think you guys are reading too much into Mulder's reaction or lack of reaction to Krychek's death. Mulder almost never reacts to
anything! That's Duchovny's acting style.
Remember in the movie when Mulder was showing
Scully his look of panic?


By ScottN on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 10:02 am:

Remember in the movie when Mulder was showing Scully his look of panic?

Thanks! I'd forgotten that very funny one :)!


By MikeC on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 4:14 pm:

That's true enough, but Mulder wasn't even perturbed, concerned, worried, or interested in Krycek, before or after he died. It just seemed...odd.


By S. Wong on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 5:00 pm:

Well, now that Krychek is dead (or is he really?), I hope that gadget he uses to make the nanobots active in Skinner doesn't fall into the wrong hands. ;-) I was kinda hoping he had it on him and tried to use it to stop Skinner from killing him or something. But I guess he had other things in mind. Hmm, I really want to know what he was trying to tell Skinner about Mulder in the last few moments of his life.


By Brian Fitzgerald on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 8:18 pm:

Brian Floyd if you want to hear about terminator 3 goto the movies board. Their's a good page about T3 their.


By Anonymous on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 8:42 pm:

So, where ever that device is, someone could pick it up, push the little bars up, and Skinner would die, and that person would trash the "useless" device!


By S. Na on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 11:56 pm:

Did I miss Krycek getting a fake hand? The hand he was pushing the gun with looked awfully plastic.

I hated to see him die, though. I like Ratboy. And what is it with main characters in dramas cold-bloodedly killing other characters this season?

I'd like to see Scully working for the local coronor's office, so she can guest star periodically and send cases Doggett's way. I could live without Mulder.


By ScottN on Wednesday, May 23, 2001 - 12:19 am:

Did I miss Krycek getting a fake hand?

He got it in Tunguska/Terma (don't remember which). The Russian locals cut it off as a "favor" to him, so he wouldn't be sent off to the black oil test site.


By Josh M on Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - 2:25 pm:

And what is it with main characters in dramas cold-bloodedly killing other characters this season?

That kind of thing happens a lot on the X-Files, other series though are different.


By Anonymous on Monday, June 04, 2001 - 12:39 pm:

I'm gonna miss Krycek, he was so bad he was good. Hopefully we'll see the actor in other things...I could easily see him taking over for Rick Shroder on NYPD Blue, or maybe a replacement for that smarmy little prosecutor who got blown up in the season finale of The Practice.


By Sven of ??? on Thursday, June 28, 2001 - 3:59 pm:

Did anyone notice a resemblance between the birth scene and a similar sequence in "Rosemary's Baby"?


By Benderhubby on Saturday, June 30, 2001 - 4:13 pm:

They made even a poster for that ep which looked similar to "Rosemaries baby"-poster.


By Scully OMuldy on Monday, July 02, 2001 - 8:57 pm:

++Mulder's speech indicates that their baby was conceived the old fashioned way...after all, there were various scenes in season 7 of Scully waking up in his bed!


Good bye X-files...you died with that kiss....


By Xena, WP on Wednesday, August 01, 2001 - 1:50 pm:

All I'VE got to say is: FINALLY!!! We 'sippers have been waiting SEASONS 4 that 2 happen. And since DD isn't comin' back: The series can end now, Mr.Carter!! there ain't nothin' more 2 say. And besides- did anyone else feel the season was boring beyong belief w/ out Mulder? I actually did my MATH homework during most of the season. Dogget is a horrible character. DD should have never left.

And KRYCHEK!!! WHY did Skinner kill him, HUH?? I LIKED Ratboy. He's a GOOD badguy. [sniffs] Lets see what season 9 brings....


By Electron on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 11:10 am:

Come on, Xena. Now "YOU" are a recurring character there! :-)


By wemdog on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 6:07 pm:

This show should have ended with the movie. Back then, the conspiracy and the story were tight and at their all time best. X-Files could have been as big as Star Trek was in its prime. Just imagine every year or two getting a two hour or so kick ass movie instead of the drivel that we've seen since the movie.
Since the movie, important characters and plot points have been rushed and glossed over.
I think the way Krycheck was handled and even Cancer Man at the beginning of the season says it all. These were the two main villians! After all the •••• Krycheck did...his fate is to get gunned down like a common thug in a parking garage?
I like Dogget and some of the episodes since the movie have been decent.
After seeing this...what the hell can the next season be about? Who's going to be in it? Who's left to fight? Too rushed, too convoluted. If you don't believe me...I invite you to do a little comparison. Go ahead and rent ( or buy) the DVD's (so you can see and hear these in glory!) of those X-Files episodes from the first three seasons or so. There's no comparison! It's become a completely different show since around the time of the movie. They went up so high...then they just ran out of stean. I still haven't forgotten that rushed two parter that was in the middle of last season where all those conspiracy guys except Cancer Man were killed off. There were so many cheap give aways I was like "Six years of build up for this?"
Trust me folks...go watch those older episodes. (Any of the ones that have to do with the main story like Duane Barry or Erlemeyer Flask...among others.) It's a night and day difference. They should put this thing out of its misery now and end it where it's at.


By B.J. on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 3:27 pm:

One big nit -- and it's something that's been discussed, at length, in the DS9 guide with Odo. You can't make matter out of nothing. Period. So how on earth did one metal vertebra regenerate an entire alien replicant, complete with flesh and blood? It didn't look all that heavy when the M.E. picked it up . . . probably less to assume less than a pound. So if that's all the matter Billy Miles has in him, why is he so hard to take down? A good gust of wind should do it!

By the way . . . my vote for "where's Mulder" next season? He stays involved in Scully's life, and is occasionally referred to, but never seen. He settles down to write, or join the Lone Gunman, or some job where he can spend most of his time looking after William . . . who will probably be heard about more than seen as well. After all, can you really see Scully facing down the bad guys wearing a Snugli and shushing everyone because it's William's naptime?


By Josh M on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 11:44 am:

When they end the series, they've got to do something to bring everyone back. CSM, X, Deep Throat, The Well Manicured Man, even Spender. When they were around, the show was a lot better, IMO anyway.

There's always Marita and that guy from the movie (you know, the "One man cannot fight the future" guy?) I wonder if we'll ever see them again. And is killing the CSM with the alien DNA in him going to come back and haunt us in some way? Will we ever hear from the Rebels again? This show just gets more confusing as it goes on.


By constanze on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 7:08 am:

Hey, B.J., I wondered where all the metal was coming from, too. Also, it's very convenient for the metal that the doc took it out of the trash, otherwise it couldn't have spun and replicated.

So all the time Krycek is with Skinner, Mulder and Doggett, he neither tells them how to really stop the replicants nor to recognize them by looking at their neck! (and how long will Mulder, Reyes or Doggett take to figure it out? Of course, it would be pretty easy and quick to find bad guys just by looking at the neck! Probably the producers think it would spoil the suspense ;-)K. just repeats they can't be stopped, they are bad. how boring.

How far is the distance between Washington and scullys hideout for mulder to get there that quick? He must have an awful lot of money to hire a private chopper: he can't reimburse it on the fbi anymore!

Where did all the replicants come from when scully was giving birth? Is reyes one of them (i never saw her neck clearly)? or was the car bugged? (nobody checked, as far as I saw).
Or was the bright light an alien ship which dropped the replicants off? (quicker than a plane? ;-))

The kiss was wonderful! I wondered that scully didn't name the baby after her own father, who seemed to be very important for her, but I guess they wanted to hint that fox is the father of william.


By Norman Buchwald (Norm) on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 - 7:12 pm:

The baby was a "miracle baby"! He aged a few months instantly! :P


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