Yeah, get over it Celine - the ship SANK!

My kids listen to Radio Disney on the way to school... and unfortunately, kids have infinite tolerance for repetive dumb songs, and that song plays every [bleep]ing morning!

Rumor has it that Cameron might make a film on the Edmund Fitzgerald sinking. Michigan residents might know of this...

Well, at least he won't have to get Celine Dionne (sp?) to write or sing an incredibly long boring song for it... Somebody else has already done that ("The wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald") I forget who wrote it

Gordon Lightfoot sang the weally weally long song. It has does have a nice rhythm, but it is somewhat upbeat for a tragic sinking.

Now, now, let's all calm down and sing a nice song! Near…far… whereever you are… I believe that the heart will, my heart wil go on…

Celine Dion has a powerful voice - what a shame she destroys it with sugar-coated nonsense.

I certainly hope that we won't...stay....for ever this way....this song will leave our hearts and...this fad won't...go on and onnnnnn....

The worst thing about Titanic was that Celine Dion didn't go down with the ship!

Sorry if I'm bitter, but I have a 13-year-old sister, who plays that song 24/7. Yeah, it's been a long time, but she plays it over and over and....

Big nit. Historically Mr Murdoch didn't blow his brains out after shooting a passenger. I know about this because I come from Scotland and Murdochs family were furious at this. Cameron later apologised

Concerning the song during the church service that someone said was actually written 20 years later: I've seen several documentaries made before Cameron made his movie that mention that the song was sung during services on the ship.

My understanding is that it was only one of the verses of the hymn that was written decades later.

So let's get this straight. Rose and Jack come running out of the cargo hold giggling and laughing, thereby distracting the lookouts who start commenting on them. It sounds like Cameron is blaming the collision with the iceberg on two characters who didn't actually exist.

Most of the 3rd class passengers seem to be Irish, but the ship is sailing from Southampton (I know the ship was built in Belfast, registered in Liverpool but only started it's voyage in Southampton.) It would have been easier to cross over to Liverpool & catch a ship from there. Or did they travel that bit further to get the chance to travel on the world's largest liner?

I thought that the ship made one last stop off the coast of Ireland to pick up more mail and to get some last minute passengers.

It did, it stopped at Queenstown (now Cobh) in Southern Ireland.

A note to the film-makers:
JUST DON'T MAKE A SEQUEL. FOR YOUR OWN SAKE, PLEASE DO NOT MAKE A SEQUEL TO TITANIC! LET THE ORIGINAL MOVIE STAND ALONE AND PROUD! DON'T SPOIL IT BY WASTING TIME, MONEY AND TALENT ON A CHEAP IMITATION THAT WILL BE EVEN LESS BELIEVABLE!

How could you make a sequel? Wouldn't it be like trying to do Gandhi II?

Well, they did make a sequel to The Posieden Ad-
venture and the S.S. Posieden also sank.

Please, we don't need another three hours of sheer tedium.

I agree. To mis-quote (slightly) Lou Reed, "Does
anyone really need another multi-million dollar
movie?" 'Course, I don't remember anyone holding a gun on me to this movie. (Pity. It would have been a great excuse for why I saw this cliched chick-flick in the first place.)

You know what I find sheer tedium? Titanic-bashing. Take it outside, folks.

I'm not bashing it, just thought it was average and went on too long. If it was a film that wasn't so popular and had the same attributes, no one would be accused of bashing it. I saw it before was even released in my country, before all the awards and all the hype, and my opinion has changed one bit.

I read a newspaper article about some girlover in NY whose idiotic parents spent $300,000 on a "Titanic" recreation to celebrate her becoming Bat Mitzvah.

Somehow I don't think she got much spiritually out of it.

Followup to previous post...

Me, when I became Bar Mitzvah many many years ago, the entertainment was Rudy The Accordion Player. My older sister and I were jealous when my little sister got an actual band.
[end rant mode]

Titanic II: The Iceberg's Revenge!

With a burning wrath and need for revenge after a brutal attack by a rather large boat, the Iceberg follows Rose across the Atlantic and reaks havoc on a small New England town! Only to inevitably melt and raise the ocean levels, dramatically crying out that it will be back again some day!

I'd pay to see it!

RE: "Titanic II"
Let's hope the iceberg get Ms. Dion and sinks her too.

BAD LINE: "This is bad" spoken by you know who
when the Titanic swipes the iceberg.

I've made a decision that will not please a lot of people. I have decided to delete all posts that were posted before March of 1998.

But consider yourself lucky. This bulky board was almost deleted alltogether. Nitcentral HAS been having space problems as you know. In the end I ended up flipping a coin. Heads, I delete all post before March 1999, or tails, March 1998. I came up tails.

Hope I didn't offend anyone.

Jared

The "Poseidon" never sank. It was still afloat at the end of the first film. The awful "Beyond The Poseidon Adventure" sank at the box office.(The longer version shown by ABC was better.) I remember Irwin Allen on the Merv Griffin show in '79, saying there would be a third "Poseidon". NO MORE! I thought then.

NIT: When the lifeboat comes back to look for survivors after the sinking, the crew find "Mr. Mannequin" floating in the water

(Sarcasm mine...it's so point blank obvious)

Here's real trivia for ya'

David Warner ALSO played in another Titanic movie called: "S.O.S. Titanic" (coming to DVD soon)

Around the time of the movie’s release, I read an article that pointed out a lot of historical and plot errors. I tried writing down as many as I could remember here, and to corroborate some, I found a cool movie nitpicking website that nitpickers here will love, that not only contained most of the ones I listed here, but loads more (131 for this movie). The nits for this movie are at http://www.movie-mistakes.co.uk/film.php?filmid=1299. I listed some of the ones I liked the best from that page after the ones I remembered from that article.

A sketchbook like Jack's actually would survive all those decades in the safe, but not because it was in the safe, but because it was leather-bound, and leather is acidic, which repels the microorganisms that chew up everything else.

James Cameron DEFINITELY need to research his Italian better. When Jack and Fabrizio win the tickets at poker, Fabrizio begins happily exclaiming "Figlio di putana! Figlio di putana!", or "Sonovabitch!" This phrase may be used as both an insult or exclamation in English, but not in Italian. In Italian, it's just an insult, not some exclamation that people start shouting when hitting good fortune. I would also opine that while I like Danny Nucci as an actor (he was good in Crimson Tide), his pronunciation and accent left something to be desired.

When the Titanic first pulled out the dock, it crashed a small boat, a interesting omen for its voyage, but this isn't depicted in the movie.

We see some of Picasso and Monet’s famous paintings (I forgot their names, but the website mentioned one as Les Madamoiselles D'Avignoin) in Rose's possession. Since we know she didn't take them with her on the lifeboat, there went down with the ship, but in real life, they exist today.

In a similar vein, Rose makes a snide insult to Ismay regarding Freud’s explanation of men who are preoccupied with size. In 1912, this theory by Freud was published hadn’t yet been published.

Trying to convince Rose not to jump, Jack tells Rose that he once fell into a lake near his home town. I forget the name of the lake right now, but I know it didn’t exist in 1912. It’s a man-made lake that was created later.

In the scene where Jack shows Rose his sketchbook, there is one with a man's hands around a young girl's torso with his hands on hers. This drawing is an exact replica of a photograph by celebrated photographer Sally Mann called "Rodney Plogger at 6:01, 1989," which didn’t exist in 1912. James Cameron copied this image and used it without Ms. Mann's permission. The resulting grievance was settled out of court for a substantial sum just weeks before the Academy Awards." (This passage is from the website, but I remember hearing about this suit on a TV program when it happened.)

Close ups of Jack's hands when he sketches Rose show them to be QUITE gnarly-looking, almost as if someone much older than Leonardo DiCaprio was actually drawing. (It was James Cameron. He made all the drawings in Jack's sketchbook.)

Rose swings an ax to free Jack from his handcuffs while sloshing around in waist-high near-freezing water. After actually being in such water after a few minutes, one would lose the ability to coordinate their muscles and remain coherent.

First Officer William Murdoch accepts a bribe to let a passenger onto the lifeboats, and overcome with guilt over shooting someone to death, shoots himself in the head. Murdoch's family and home town was quite upset with this portrayal of him, as there is no evidence that he did the former, and we know he didn't do the latter, as witnesses know he gave his lifevest to a passenger and went down with the ship.

Murdoch had a mustache. In the movie, he is clean-shaven.

Everyone freaks out at the end when the Titanic goes vertical and sinks. According to witnesses, however, there was a strange calm that overcame the passengers, who did not freak out.

Frost forms on Jack and Rose after being on and in the water for hours, even though the water is above freezing. This cannot occur with above-freezing temperatures.

Jack sinks below the water after freezing to death. In fact, frozen bodies float.

These are nits from the website:

The diamond in the film, "La Coeur de la Mer," is supposed to be a diamond owned by Louis XVI and lost during the French Revolution, which Lovett refers to also as the "Blue Diamond of the Crown." In one early scene Lovett mentions to Rose that "Today it would be worth more than the Hope Diamond." This is impossible, as the diamond of which he speaks IS the Hope Diamond, which was also owned by Louis XVI, lost during the French Revolution, heart-shaped, and known as the Blue Diamond of the Crown while owned by the French monarchy. The two stones are one and the same. Also, the Hope was recut sometime in the early 19th century to its present oval shape, so that it had lost its heart-shaped form a century before Titanic sailed; this makes "The Heart of the Ocean" something of a misnomer. Needless to say the Hope Diamond was never on board Titanic, and is now lodged safely in the Smithsonian rather than lying at the bottom of the ocean.

During this scene, Jack' is using modern square sided, pressed charcoal with numbers embossed in the side of it, which didn’t exist in 1912. In 1912, Jack would have been using vine charcoal which was round and made of 'charcoalized' willow twigs.

The Master-at-Arms office, where Jack is handcuffed, was in actuality an inside cabin and had no portholes at all.

Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin, is the city with the man-made lake, Lake Wissota (created the year AFTER the ship sank).

The NEAR-collision with a smaller liner, the 'New York,' was averted at the last moment by tugboat intervention. The whole incident was caused as the 'Titanic' passed the 'New York.' Suction from the larger vessel's passage pulled the 'New York' away from the pier, snapping its mooring lines. This is yet another Hollywood film that ignored true events for pacing purposes.

In the film, Murdoch doesn't exactly accept the bribe; it's stuffed into his pocket by Cal. Murdoch later returns it by flinging into Cal's face. Still, I can see why this upset people. As for the real Murdoch's mustache, I thought period photos of him show him clean-shaven.

As for the famous paintings, I guess Cameron thought nobody would realize who the artists were supposed to have been if the paintings weren't recognizable. Pretty weak justification, IMO.

Sorry I didn't respond to your points in order, Luigi.

By the way, I understand James Cameron has family that hails from Wisconsin, which may explain why some of his films have Wisconsin references in them. (The Abyss-Special Edition had two; a Green Bay Packer jacket, and mention of a cruiser named the 'Appleton.')

"In 1912, this theory by Freud was published hadn’t yet been published."

Say what? Make up your mind, Luigi. Was it published or wasn't it?

We all might have to see Freud after figuring that one out!

::During this scene, Jack' is using modern square sided, pressed charcoal with numbers embossed in the side of it, which didn’t exist in 1912. In 1912, Jack would have been using vine charcoal which was round and made of 'charcoalized' willow twigs.::

I believe he used a Conte crayon, a more permanent, waterproof, hard, slightly greasy substance.

::Frost forms on Jack and Rose after being on and in the water for hours, even though the water is above freezing. This cannot occur with above-freezing temperatures.::

I'm not sure if your reference to temp is that the air or water temp was above freezing. Water, especially a salty ocean, may still be liquid when the air temperature is below freezing. And I've seen ice form on the shore of a lake that has not yet frozen.

As for the real Murdoch's mustache, I thought period photos of him show him clean-shaven.

They do.
Sorry, Luigi, but offhand I can't think of any Titanic officers who did wear mustaches.

Luigi Novi: ***Frost forms on Jack and Rose after being on and in the water for hours, even though the water is above freezing. This cannot occur with above-freezing temperatures. ***

The ocean was slightly above freezing. But the air outside was below freezing. Water that clung to Jack and Rose and was no longer part of the ocean would most certainly freeze (much like water can evaporate off your skin in the summer even though the ocean isn't boiling).

Craig Rohloff: As for the real Murdoch's mustache, I thought period photos of him show him clean-shaven.

kerriem: They do. Sorry, Luigi, but offhand I can't think of any Titanic officers who did wear mustaches.
Luigi Novi: That's not what the photograph on this site shows: http://www.clan-macpherson.org/titanic.htm

Huh. Well, I'll be.

OK, so modify that to 'period photos of him included in reference books dealing with the Titanic tragedy, of which I've read a whole lot'...and therefore can possibly be excused sounding a little dogmatic. Sorry.

How did Lovejoy (David Warner's character) get the wound on his head when the ship broke in half?
The last time we saw him, he was with Cal and he was in pretty good shape.

A deleted scene in the flooding Dining Salon had Jack and Lovejoy duking it out. This was deleted for pacing purposes. Personally, I'm glad it was cut, as it would have stretched credibilty a bit. I thought Cal firing a gun several times was stretching things too far.

BTW, one Titanic officer had a nustache AND beard: Captain E.J. Smith. (Duh, I can't believe I forgot that!)

As an aside, hey kerriem, how many Titanic reference books do YOU have? I ran out of shelf space for all mine!

sigh...

"nustache" = "mustache" Typo. Obviously.

Ah, the heck with it. Let's revise the whole sentence! Replace "one Titanic officer...(etc.)" with "An obvious Titanic officer who had a mustache (AND a beard): Captain E.J. Smith."

As an aside, hey kerriem, how many Titanic reference books do YOU have? I ran out of shelf space for all mine!

The only ones I actually own are Walter Lord's (although I drooled some over the big Illustrated History when it first hit the bookstore)...the rest are courtesy an aunt who owns Michael Davies' excellent study - which initially piqued my interest - and then the local library.
As you've discovered, there are so many that the mere thought of trying to personally collect them all is exhausting to me.

Overall I thought the movie did a really good job of hitting the high spots, so to speak, of the story without devolving into legend. The script may have been seriously corny but the sets and costumes were beautiful - they obviously used the big budget wisely.
Also all the right names were dropped...albeit they mentioned the Countess of Rothes without later referencing her heroism in steering (life)Boat 8 and the Duff-Gordons without recounting the bizarre story of how they ended up in another boat with only ten other people.

That leads up to the one big problem I had: the film goes to great lengths to indicate that none of the survivors in boats wanted to turn back, even to the point of illustrating with a shot of a guilty looking Molly Brown.
In real life Molly had nothing at all to be ashamed of on this score! She, the Countess and several others in her boad were loudly and vigorously in favour of turning back but were shouted down by the cowardly officer in charge. Other reminisces indicate that disputes over the issue took place in several other boats as well.

NANJAN: I went and saw the Titanic exhibit in Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry and I was totally impressed with the restoration of the grand staircase and the piece of the hull they extracted from the ocean. BTW...we all got a piece of paper with a passenger's name on it. Mine survived.

(NANJAN= Not a nit, just a note)

I saw that exhibit when it was in Seattle; the person on my slip of paper died.
It's kind of eerie standing in front of that piece of hull, knowing what it is and why it's significant. I mean, if you just saw it set up somewhere with no description, you'd think it was a piece of scrap metal (which, really, it is). If Titanic had ended its career in the scrapyards as most old ocean liners did, most people wouldn't give a piece of hull a second glance.
It's also kind of amazing to realize that piece, and all the artifacts in the exhibit, were recovered after 80 years from two miles down! Again, everyday, mundane objects, but knowing what they are...

I got the DVD the other day, and although it was a steal ($8, with any other purchase,) the lack of special features (commentary tracks, behind the scenes featurettes) is surprising. Is there a special edition DVD due soon, or at all?

Rose had good lines and bad lines:
Good - (to Cal): "I'd rather be his whore than your wife."
Bad - (as the ship is listing) "Jack! This is where we first met!"

I've always thought that she said that last line there (This is where we met) due to extreme stress/slight denial/possible borderline hysteria. i mean no matter how tough you are that kind of situation has got to be a slight bit unnerving.

Yeah, maybe you're right. I mean, Rose and Jack were staring death in the face. In that situation, you'd probably say things you wouldn't say under normal circumstances.
The scene where the ship goes under gives me the willies, no matter how many times I see it.

I like that line. It seems like the kind of hopeless thing one might say if they figured they were about to die.

At last, I'm not the only one who thought the movie was lousy! Lousy lousy lousy! The only good part was the set design; thumbs up on that.
Here's some things to look for:
Look closely at the captain's eyes. He's wearing contacts, which weren't invented yet. I guess it's better than him squinting the entire movie, though.
Look at Rose's fingernails. They change length throughout the film.

According to the IMDB trivia, Kate Winslet ad-libbed the "where we first met" line.

This movie is being converted to 3-D, and will be re-released in the U.S. on April 6, 2012. Other countries will get the 3-D version later in the year.

Lucas is doing the same with Phantom Menace. Hoorah.

Review of the 3-D version from Lou Lumenick of the New York Post.
This pic had a recent pay-cable play on HBO and Cinemax. Which was probably cut short to allow for this re-release.

A 3-D Blu-Ray will be released on Sept. 14, 2012. More here.

Found this parody of Titanic
Click here , http://web.archive.org/web/20000819144242/http://www.angelfire.com/ak/TitanicLeo/titragic.html

Why didn't Jack get on the raft with
Rose ? Wouldn't there have been enough room for both of them, could the raft
still stay afloat ?

Firstly, it was a door. Secondly, the combined weight would have left the door unable to support them. There are photos of Cameron looking at this before shooting.

The Mythbusters took a look at that, and they concluded that Jack could have climbed on the raft with Rose, but it was a tricky thing to do and most probably both of them would have ended up in the water anyway.

Didn't William Murdoch's family sue James Cameron for the way Murdoch was portrayed in the film (shooting a man, and then killing himself)?

apnews.com has an article headlined
"First full-size 3D scan of Titanic shows shipwreck in new light"

By SYLVIA HUI May 18, 2023