Blade II

Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections: Movies: Comic Books/Superheroes: Blade II
By LUIGI NOVI on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 10:55 pm:

And no, you can’ t kill the guy standing behind me. He’s the president of Enron.
Great Exchange:
Blade: "You’re human?"
Blonde guy: "Barely. I’m a lawyer."

Saw this film a couple of hours ago. It was okay. Nice fight scenes. And the incorporation of CGI into them, both with Blade’s fight with Nyssa in the beginning of the movie, and with Nomak in the end, was pretty, good, and had something of a Japanese movie/manga book feel to it. (Toward the end of the former one, the figures were apparently entirely CGI, because the figures were a bit thin, but it was still good.)

It takes more than long hair and a beard to come back from the dead
This entire premise with Whistler returning is bogus. First of all, he BLEW HIMSELF AWAY in the first movie. He was DEAD. He wasn’t killed by a vampire, or undergo some kind of death that would turn him into a vampire, he SHOT himself. So this nonsense where the vampires "keep him alive" with blood is b.s, since he wasn’t alive to begin with. Who took him? Deacon Frost’s intentions were quite clear: He wanted either to beat Whistler to death, or leave him just alive for Blade to find. It makes no sense that they went BACK, and got him, and even if they did, Frost and his followers were killed at the end of the movie. Why would they have taken him to Russia? Perhaps to lure Blade? That can’t be, since they already wanted to lure him to a different place, the site of La Magra’s birth, and they succeeded, since Blade did go there.
---Nor does it make sense that someone else in the Vampire Nation followed through with Frost’s plan, since the Vampire Lawyer makes clear to Blade when they are first introduced that Frost and his followers were at so at odds with the Nation that they feel Blade did them a favor when he killed him.
Don’t ya just hate it when vampires have identity crises?
Second, Blade makes clear in the opening narration of the film that the vampires turned Whistler into a vampire (already ridiculous as aforementioned): He states that they turned him into that which he hated the most, they keep in alive in blood (Immersion in blood would probably keep a vampire alive, but not a dying human). Both I and my friend Chris swore after we left the theater that we saw vampire teeth on Whistler when Blade first frees him. So why does the rest of the movie indicate him to be a human? (He has no aversion to UV light, is easily beaten up by vampires, etc.)
Blade is using something more painful than garlic. He shredded copies of the original Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie and spread them on his bullets and sword
In the first movie, whenever a vampire was shot or sliced by Blade’s sword, it disintegrated into a cloud of black ash, but in this movie, there is a yellow "glowing ember" effect to it. At first, when this was only when Blade was shooting them, I thought this was because one of the vampires in the beginning of the movie says Blade is using something in his bullets other than garlic but just as painful, but this also happens when Blade chops Rienhardt in half at the end of the movie with his sword.
They used the same sun protectant that George Hamilton uses
At the end of the first Reaper raid by Blade and the vampires, the group has a dying Reaper on the floor before them, and Blade puts a bullet hole into the roof to allow a shaft of sunlight through to kill the Reaper. But the light permeates the entire room, and the vampires are practically bathed in it, with no ill effect.
Write your own body cavity search joke here.
After Blade and Whistler are taken prisoner by the vampires toward the end of the movie, Blade wakes up, feels around on his person for weapons, and Whistler tells him that they took all their weapons. Then, when Scud is holding the bomb that Blade had attached to the back of Reinhardt’s head, Blade pulls out a detonator, and blows Scud up. So where did Blade hide this thing? How did the vampires miss it when they removed all his weapons.
Here too.
I know that Familiars have a tattoo on them designating the vampire they belong to, but was it really a good idea for Scud to have one, given that Blade could’ve potentially have found it if he became suspicious?
It wasn’t Kris Kristofferson’s punches that made Reinhardt fall. It was his music.
In the final act of the movie, after Whistler picks his handcuffs, he easily cold cocks Rienhardt, and knocks him down with a few blows. Okay, first, how many of you out there think Kris Kristofferson could do this to Ron Perlman in real life?
---Now, make Ron Perlman a vampire with super strength and invulnerability. How many of you now think this?
---I thought so.


By Benn on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 5:10 am:

One thing to remember, Whistler's "death" took place offscreen. We only hear the gunshot. We never see Whistler after the gunshot. Blade never looks back after the gunshot. I've always figured that gave them an out to resurrect Kris Kristofferson's character. As for how they do it, seeing as I've not yet seen the movie, I can't comment on it further than I already have.


By LUIGI NOVI on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 2:56 pm:

It's true that we only heard the shot, Benn, but nothing indicated in this movie that he didn't actually shoot himself, nor any explanation given as to how he wasn't dead. Something like this might've worked:

Frost didn't intend for Blade to simply find Whistler and come to him; he had his men there ready to pounce on Blade. After Blade handed Whistler the gun and began to walk away, the vampires walked toward Blade, near Whistler. Whistler saw them, and from where he was sitting, took 'em out with two shots. (We only heard the first one). Blade was out the door after the first. Later, men from the Vampire Nation found Whistler and kept him alive, as Blade indicated in the beginning of the film.

But it still doesn't explain how procedures used to keep a vampire alive (They keep Whistler in a cylindrical vat of blood with tubes connected to him) would work for a human, or, if Whistler is a vampire now (Blade says they turned him into what he hates the most in the film's opening narration), why he is indicated to be a human throughout the rest of the movie. :)


By cableface on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 6:16 pm:

Could whistlers apparently regained humainty have anything to do with whatever Blade injected him with at the beginiing? I know he said that it just accelerated the amount of time it took for Whistler to go cold turkey from the Thirst, but maybe that's what happens to a vampire when they go too long without blood..........or something.... It wasn't explained too well, but IMHO, this film was way too cool to let such quandaries spoil it....


By Andrea V on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 2:39 pm:

That shot Blade gives Whistler at the beginning _is_ a cure for vampirism. In the first "Blade", that hematologist lady figures it out and uses it to cure herself. It's explained there fairly well with a minimum of technobabble.

This movie kicks butt. I especially liked the bit where Blade feeds the lady vampire off his own blood. Call me a romantic.


By Brian Fitzgerald on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 3:42 pm:

One of the origional scripts for the first Blade's ending would have had Blade burning Whistler's body so that he does not come back as a vampire. Since we don't see blade return home at the end we can conclude that since he was already in the midst of turning when blade gave him the gun he didn't die but became a vampire, remember that Donal Logue's character had been shot, stabbed and burned and kept comming back in that movie. And yes blade gave whistler the vampire cure from the first movie, which didn't work at the end of the film but she said that she would keep working on it.


By LUIGI NOVI on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 9:26 pm:

If Whistler was turned into a vampire, why did he need to put into a vat of blood to keep him alive? If he was turned before he shot himself in the first movie, the bullets would've had little effect, or else would've healed rapidly. The Vampires would've simply had to give him some blood to help him heal, and that would be it. Why, then, was he kept continuously in a vat of blood for years?


By Brian Fitzgerald on Sunday, April 07, 2002 - 11:15 pm:

He wasn't in the vat of blood because of having shot himself in part 1. The vampires skinned him alive and tortured him nearly to death, than put him in the vat of blood to let him heal from that so that they could torture him again.

the bullets would've had little effect, or else would've healed rapidly.

Except the bullets were Blade's bullets that are designed to kill vampires, although as Donal Logue demonstratewd they don't always cause death. Perhaps his character spent some time in the vat of blood inbetween scenes in the first movie (i.e. after being burned nearly to death, or after loosing his hand)


By cableface on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 10:00 am:

Just out of curiosity, where did you get the part about Whistler having been skinned alive? Or was I just not paying attention?
And if that's true, why would Whistler not remember being tortured while a vampire?He didn't seem to remember anything about it at all....


By Brian Fitzgerald on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 4:21 pm:

He tells Blade all about it when the first get back to Blade's HQ.


By LUIGI NOVI on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 10:39 pm:

Blade is put on a slab and impaled with several mechanical spears to draw his blood, but after he's released and reinvigorated by the blood immersion, there are no holes in his pants where he was impaled.


By Jason on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 12:26 am:

Blade is put on a slab and impaled with several mechanical spears to draw his blood, but after he's released and reinvigorated by the blood immersion, there are no holes in his pants where he was impaled.
Self healing pants?

About Whister...
We never see what happened to him in either the movie or the flashback. We hear the gunshot and that's it. Perhaps he wussed out at the last second.

As for why he was in the tank, the vampires would torture him, and then heal him, and torture him again as a payback for his days as a vampire hunter. Whistler even compained afterwords that they didn't fix his leg when they repaired everything else on him.

As for the detonator, the Vampires could easily have left it on him, knowing that it was a dud, if only to make Blade feel like he has an ace in the hole, only to reveal that the bomb was a dud. Too bad for them that Blade fixed the problem.


By LUIGI NOVI on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 11:23 am:

If he wussed out, there was no reason to fire the gun.


By Brian Fitzgerald on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 12:59 am:

But what I was saying is that perhaps he shot himself but didn't die. He was just very close to death when they found him, the movies have never made it clear how vampires respond to blades wepons, remember everything Donal Logue when through?


By LUIGI NOVI on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 12:15 pm:

You're saying he was a vampire when he shot himself?


By Brian Fitzgerald on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 3:36 pm:

Ni I'm saying he was in the process of changing when he shot himself. Remember that the movies also don't make it clear exactly what kinds of stages are involved in changing. Also remember that apparently everyone at the hospital believed that Balde's mother had died, but she showed up as a vampire with Deacon Frost.


By LUIGI NOVI on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 4:46 pm:

How could he have been in the process of changing? Who turned him into a vampire? If one of Frost's guys did so, why'd they leave before Blade showed up?


By Brian Fitzgerald on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 8:18 pm:

I thought that the whole reason that he wanted Blade's gun was to shoot himself before he turned.


By LUIGI NOVI on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 12:35 am:

I thought it was to die quickly, rather than die slowly from his injuries. Remember, they didn't say in the first movie that Whistler was turned. That was something they shoehorned into the second movie as an excuse to have Whistler back. In the first movie, they just beat the stuffing out of him to the point where his injuries were too severe, and since he was dying of cancer already--an indication that the writers were planning on killing him off--he wanted to end it quickly.

Speaking of which, does he have cancer again now that he's human again? Even if it was wiped from his system when he was turned into a vampire, what's to stop it from returning, given that cancer is often genetic?


By Spornan on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 8:23 pm:

Whistler asked Blade to shoot him because he didn't want to be turned into a Vampire. I always thought that was fairly obvious, if not outright stated in the first movie.

In the second movie, Blade injects Whistler with the vampirism cure created in the first movie. Now my real problem with that was that Whistler was a vampire for two years, and the cure is only supposed to work on the newly created vampire. There's some explanation about Whistler being in Stasis, but that doesn't mesh with the whole "tortured for 2 years" thing.

Now for a few nits:

When Whistler saves Blade from the lab, Blade is shirtless. Whistler has to carry Blade and limp along to the big convenient pool of blood. And yet somehow he has the time and energy to put Blade's special complicated-looking vest on.

Then later when Blade is fighting the final battle with Novak (don't remember if that's the name) his clothes are completely dry, despite having soaked in a pool of blood just minutes before.

Also, are you telling me during that entire fight, Blade's sunglasses didn't even go slightly askew? I'm not buying it.

The fight scenes themselves with the CGI looked very similar to those in Spider-man, and may have been done by the same company. They just looked a little too CGI for me.


By cableface on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 2:47 pm:

With regard to Blade's apparently self-healing pants, upon wathing this again I definetely saw holes in his pants from the spikes.
Also, if Blade knew that the bomb Scud had wasn't a dud, then why didn't he actually use it to blow up Reinhardt? He could've done that and then kicked seven shades of s**t out of Scud without a whole lotta effort.......
By the by, does anyone here by any chance read a comic book called 2000AD? Cos the distictly Irish-sounding Priest bore a pretty striking resemblance to a certain gunshark named Finnegan Sinister.....


By LUIGI NOVI on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 8:36 pm:

Funny how UV causes vamps to explode into ashes, but when Nyssa is exposed to the sunrise at the end of the film the effect is far slower and prettier, almost like the effect of Odo turning into light particles at the end of Chimera(DS9).


By LUIGI NOVI on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 11:43 pm:

When dissecting the Reaver, Scud notes that garlic and silver don't work, so they'll have to do with UV light. Nyssa objects because she says that's lethal to them too. Why don't they just use those suits she and Assad were wearing when they first brought the truce message to Blade in the beginning of the film? They protect them from UV light. Hell, a mere biker outift and helmet protected Deacon Frost in broad daylight in the first film, and so, for that matter, did a coating of sunblock!


By LUIGI NOVI on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 12:51 pm:

They're made from biodegradable trash bags?
Why do vampires' clothes disintegrate with the rest of them when they're exposed to UV light?


By Meg on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 2:24 pm:

I've always thought is was the heat of there bodies burning up burnt up the clothes as well.


By LUIGI NOVI on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 2:39 pm:

Such heat would harm others who come into contact with them as well. Nyssa is in Blade's arms at the end when she dies, and there is no hint of any such damage or pain to him.


By LUIGI NOVI on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 8:11 am:

I wonder if he got his name from the fact that all his equipment doesn't work?
The failure of the large UV lights on the top of Scud's van during the first joint raid by Blade on the Blood Pack on the safehouse supposedly poses a big threat to him when the Reavers show up, but I find it difficult to believe he didn't have at least one portable one on him or in that van.
Man, next to her, that guy from HBO's Autopsy show really blows
When performing the examination on the Reaver, Nyssa says that only the tongue carries the virus, just by looking at it, before examining the other parts of the mouth. Is she psychic?


By LUIGI NOVI on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 9:10 am:

Blood may be thicker than water, but not as thick as these schmucks
When Nomack is admitted to the inner part of the blood bank in the first scene of the movie, the female tells him they found that his blood has an unusual phenotype. They strap him down, intending to take all his blood, and are apparently shocked when he turns out to be a vampire. But when Dr. Jenson examined Quinn's blood in the beginning of the first movie, she saw that his blood was highly unusual, in that it had biconvex red blood cells. If these guys examined Nomack's blood, they should've seen immediately that he wasn't human.


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