Slated for a March 2003 release Phatoms' Ben Affleck will play the Man Without Fear, Tigerland's Colin Farrel and The Scorpion King's Michael Clarke Duncan will play the villians Bullseye and Kingpin respectively, indie film god Jon Favreau will play DD's law partner 'Foggy' Nelson, Alias's Jennifer Garner will play sultry assassin Elektra (I don't see it, but I digress), and Joe Pantoliano (i.e. the guy who is in every movie ever made) plays reporter Ben Urich, desperate to uncover the identity of Daredevil.

Clerks writer/director and all around cool cat Kevin Smith has a speaking cameo as a coroner named Jack Kirby (wink), and Stan Lee is personally overseeing filming, as he has an all post-The Punisher (dang that movie blew!) Marvel movie projects.

The naem of the director escapes me (AGGGH!).

I would've gotten Marina Sirtis for Elektra, and have her build herself up for the role like Linda Hamilton did for T2. She's beautiful, she's Greek, and she might jump at the chance to put her star over the top. Or how about Melina Kanakaredes from Providence?

Hmmm, never thought of Ms. Sirtis for the role, but it might work. Gardner was of course cast because she's fairly hot as an actress right now, altho' whether that will be the case when the film premieres is another question.

Just saw the newest trailer for this, and I gotta say, it's looking fairly impressive. There's a few cool-looking shots of DD doing DD kinda things like really sweet acrobatics, taking names, and whuppin' ass. While it ain't quite spectacular yet, there are also one or two truly cool clips; One involves the Kingpin picking up DD and literally bouncing him off the ceiling, and the other shows a very cool game of chicken......
Go check it out. And does anyone know where I can find a downloadable of the trailer? Apple.com just don't seem to wanna share any more....

cableface, I went to apple, and was able to download the trailer. The page to view it/download is at http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/daredevil/.

If it still doesn't work, and you have AOL Instant Messenger, I'll file transfer it to you. My AIMname is nightscreamnovi.

I liked seeing the new footage, but wasn't impressed by the trailer overall.

Didn't have a cool score.

That chicken game relied too much on CGI, which has fast become a crutch for directors, and ruined many of the action shots in Spider-Man and Blade2.

Matt's dialogue with Foggy at the end of the trailer with the Bigfoot reference seemed jerky. I also don't like that Jon Favreau didn't alter his appearance to conform to Foggy's look from the comic.

Jennifer Garner, of course, is incredibly beautiful, and looked great. I would've picked a Greek actress like Marina Sirtis or Melina Kanakarenes to play Electra, but I suppose Sirtis has gotten too old for the producers to consider her a love interest for Affleck, and Kanakarenes isn't as pretty as Garner.

That's the address I got it from before, but I still can't download it. I can watch it, but it doesn't even show up in my temporary internet files, so I can't just save it from there. Any other ideas? Did you have to do something different at that site, or did it just give you the option to download?

What I did was, I chose the trailer (not the teaser) at Large." I waited for the entire thing to load and play, although you technically don't have to play it, just wait for the thing to load, which is indicated by the gray line that fills up the progress indicator. Click and hold until the scroll-down menu appears, and choose "Save As Source." That downloads it right to my desktop.

Othersiwe, I'll file transfer it to you.

Oh yeah. And I HATED that "supercalifrajilistic" trash on the soundtrack in the beginning of the trailer. I'm so sick of stupid rap/hip-hop lyrics that don't make any sense.

Actually, the release date is February 14, 2003, not mid-March.

How do I know? I see the teaser trailer on a regular basis at my theater, and we just now got a standee (those big cardboard cutouts) of it.

1. Daredevil’s first quarry, who buys it on the subway tracks, is named "Jose Quesada." Joe Quesada is an artist who’s worked on numerous titles, including a run on Daredevil written by Kevin Smith that revitalized the title. He’s now the editor-in-chief of Marvel.

2. The boxer Matt’s father fights is named "John Romita." John Romita is an artist who had a legendary artist on Amazing Spider-Man . He drew the first appearance of Mary Jane Watson, and his son, John Jr., is the current artist on the title.

3. Other boxing opponents mentioned but not seen are "Miller," "Mack," and "Bendis." Frank Miller’s run on Daredevil almost two decades ago revitatlized the title into a dark crime noir title. He created Elektra, and killed her off. (He also wrote and illustrated The Dark Knight Returns, the seminal Batman miniseries that gave the Caped Crusader a darker edge, spawned an entire copycat "grim and gritty" genre, and was the inspiration for Tim Burton’s Batman movies. David Mack wrote one recent arc on Daredevil and provided the art for the other. Brian Michael Bendis is the current writer on Daredevil and (I believe) one of the Spidey titles.

4. Kevin Smith plays a morgue attendant named "Jack Kirby." Kevin, as aforementioned has written Daredevil, and Jack Kirby is the legendary creator who, with writer Stan Lee, co-created The X-Men, The Hulk, and the Fantastic Four.

5. Matt confides to a priest named Father "Everett." Bill Everett was the very first artist on Daredevil.

6. The thug in the alley is named "Kane." Gill Kane is highly influential artist acclaimed for the acrobatic poses with which he rendered Spider-Man.

7. And of course, Stan Lee, the co-creator of Daredevil, the X-Men, the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man, and who’s appeared in all but two of the films based on Marvel Comics characters, (and who appeared as a juror in the dream sequence in The Incredible Hulk TV movie that featured Daredevil) appears as a man whom young Matt stops from crossing the street when a car comes by, which you can see in the trailer.

Since my post got deleted in the move, I'll repeat by thought... I think a spoiler message is warranted at the start of any post giving details about the film before its release.

Is it possible for the moderator to add such a thing to posts so others may not inadvertently read material they didn't want to know beforehand?

When I first wrote that post above with the homages, I thought some people might see these as spoilers, so I put a bold and underlined heading along the lines of Comic Book References and Homages. For some reason I must've screwed it up, because it didn't take. Maybe it's because I was really tired that night. Perhaps it's for the same reason that I though I remembered there being a Daredevil board alerady, but didn't think to look under Action/Adventure when I didn't find it under SciFi/Fantasy. Jake, if you want to put that heading at the top of that post, go right ahead.

Anyway, there is going to be a free screening for Daredevil in New York City and Hollywood, Florida, and you can win passes for it by going here.

You can download five short clips from the film here.

Peter David saw it, and said it's a good film. You can read his spoiler-free thoughts on the film here.

7. And of course, Stan Lee, the co-creator of Daredevil, the X-Men, the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man, and who’s appeared in all but two of the films based on Marvel Comics characters, (and who appeared as a juror in the dream sequence in The Incredible Hulk TV movie that featured Daredevil) appears as a man whom young Matt stops from crossing the street when a car comes by, which you can see in the trailer.

Stan Lee's the Alfred Hitchcock of Marvel Super-Hero movies.

(Spoiler Warning:) Now that Bullseye has done to Elektra what he did to her in the comic book (big surprise there), I wonder if TPTB will somehow bring her back to life for the sequel?

Bring Elektra back from the dead after such a powerful death? Nah. No one'd do something that dumb, right? (End Spoiler Warning.)

I agree with Luigi as far as Marina Sirtis as Electra is concerned. I could just imagine Marina in that Electra outfit! YEOWZA!

Don't lie, John. You're imagining her out of it.

I don't know Luigi. He did find the item at the end of the movie.

This movie was awesome! I saw it yesterday before I had to go to work (showing up at the theatre in my Pizza Hut uniform turned more than a few heads ), and it was so cool. And I have started reading Greg Cox's novelization, AND I bought the soundtrack.

Notes: Affleck was the right choice. I kinda knew this from before, ever since I read his Introduction to the Guardian Devil Colector's Edition (All 8 Kevin Smith issues in graphic novel format, ICYDK). It's usually best to have someone who LIKES the character play the character. Thinka bout it. Jim Carrey was familiar with the comic book The Mask, and liked it. Pam Anderson knew absolutely •••• about Barb Wire, just thought she "looked cool," and that movie stunk.

I admit to having been skeptical about Garner, Farrel, and Duncan in their respective roles. I'm glad I was wrong. Farrel in particular was deliciously evil as Bullseye.

The kid who played young Matt Murdock was great as well. I think we can expect great thing sfrom him in the future.

Kevin Smith as the M.E. 'Nuff said.

Great supporting cast as well as great leads. I already mentioned the kid from the flashback scenes, but you also have Joey Pants (Joe Pantoliano's nickname) and David Ketih doing excellent work. I'm still a tad undecided about Jon Favreau as Foggy Nelson though. Once I se it again I'll probably figure out where I stand.

The fight scenes were awesome, and were pretty much what you would expect from a blind superhero.

The love scene between Afflekc was Garner was beautiful. I think the best part was that it was intimate, without showing too much. And the two actors also did a good job of making it believeable.

I must've blinked or soemthing, because I'm pretty sure I missed Frank Miller's cameo, even though he was listed in the credits.

And again, I must mention the soundtrack. Some of the songs were a litle too 'pop' for my tastes, but a few, in particular the Evervesence(sp?) song playing during Elektra's slashing-the-sand-bags scene were very appropiate and added to the moment.

SPOILER!


Major nit-pick I noticed in this movie: when Elektra and Daredevil are dueling and Daredevil is attempting to convince her that it was not him who killed Elektra's father, Elektra stabs one of her sais into Daredevil's shoulder. It punctures through his shoulder, shatters the pane of glass behind him, and leaves a bloodtrail from his wound heavily streaking down the window.

Here's my nit-pick: with all that blood Daredevil spilt and left behind, you're telling me that NONE of the police officers or detectives would've found it and thought of bringing it to forensic analysts to identify Daredevil? This is why the realm of comic book universes never measure up to reality.

On a personal note, that whole Elektra-Daredevil fight sequence was laughably unnecessary. I had to refrain from chuckling with Elektra's melodramatic "Liar" response to Daredevil when he told her that he didn't kill her father. And they put Elektra frivolously into slow-motion as if she was going to make this elaborate, acrobatic leap down to Daredevil, but she just does an exaggerated jete from one rooftop to the next and lands perfectly in front of Daredevil. It was just a ridiculous use of slow-motion.

Who else thought Ben Affleck's voiceover sounded eerily similar to Alec Baldwin? Heck, I was actually looking through the credits for Alec Baldwin's name to appear as the voiceover. I even vaguely recall Alec Baldwin doing a voiceover for a movie in which his younger self lived IN Hell's Kitchen.

Overall, an okay movie. Mediocre, in my opinion. Two out of five stars, maybe three because of some of the soundtrack. I just couldn't help but think whenever Daredevil flung himself from building to building A) how exactly is he NOT breaking every bone in his body and B) why doesn't he just take the subway (that latter observation is a joke, people)?

Oh, and one last thing: you mean to tell me that all I have to do to get a hot supermodel-like woman into bed on the first date is to engage in a little fistacuffs with her in a playground? Gee, now I know what I've been doing wrong (:

Not a nit just a different premise but in the comics I'm pretty sure that DD could read normal books by touch and didn't specifically require them to be in braille. Maybe in the film he just needed everything in braille for public appearance but I didn't get that impression.

I believe you're right, Art.

I hope next movie we get to see the Frog-Man, the Matador, and/or the Stilt-Man, all of which were DD's nemeses before anyone had even heard of (cough cough) Bullseye or the Kingpin.

Of all of DD's early villains only the Owl, Cobra and Mr. Hyde would make credible movie bad guys. The others were silly, even in the comics, IMHO. Maybe the Jester. But a lot of people are already comparing DD to Batman (and Spider-Man). The Jester was obviously patterned after the Joker, so I think he'd be a bad idea.

Y'know, I'm looking through Marvel Comics Index 9B Daredevil (published by Pacific Comics), and it occurs to me who'd be the best two choices for the next Daredevil movie villain: Gladiator or Deathstalker. Personally, I'd prefer to see Gladiator.

I liked it.

I heard bad things about it, ranging from complaints that it was too dark (no doubt from idiots who assumed that it would be another Spider-Man movie), to bad reviews, to complaints about Affleck’s performance, to the complaint that he KILLS a rapist in the beginning of the movie (not true). etc. Well, I liked it.

WHAT I LIKED:
It was a very good, faithful adaptation of the character. I was glad that it didn’t have a lot of the campiness of Spider-Man, the dialogue between Matt and Foggy was funny, and I liked that like X-Men, it even improved upon some of the things from the comic. The movie addresses the point that someone with superhuman senses may find it painful to deal with all that stimuli, and resort to sleeping in a sensory-deprivation floater tank. While I’ve never been a regular reader of Daredevil, I don’t know if the book ever addressed this point. The slicker that Bullseye wears is a good substiute for the black and white costume (his own protestations to the Kingpin to the contrary). Kevin Smith’s cameo is kept to painless minimum. I would also point out to those that asserted that DD kills Jose Quesada that it is Quesada who tries to blow DD’s head off, and DD merely flips him in self-defense. If he landed on the train tracks, that’s Quesada’s fault, and DD could hardly be expected to risk his life by jumping onto the train tracks to save the life of the rapist who just tried to murder him, especially when an oncoming train would compromise his senses. The CGI wasn’t as overdone or obvious as in Spidey (one exception is when DD is climbing up the pipe organ near the end of the movie), and it was VERY WELL integrated during Matt and Elektra’s sparing session in the park in the beginning of the movie.

WHAT I DID NOT LIKE:
Okay, they LEFT OUT STICK from DD’s origin? Uh-uh, no way, I don’t think so. Foul. No fair. That SUCKS! The idea that the toxic waste gave him heightened senses and the radar sense is fine, but the idea that it allowed him to learn martial arts, and how to use a walking stick like a bo staff, is just plain dumb. There’s no reason why Stick couldn’t have been incorporated into the sequence showing young Matt learning how to use his abilities, even if it was a single scene of his father taking him to a dojo to meet the blind master. Perhaps a sequel will introduce Stick, and perhaps the Hand? Of course, the usual johnny-come-lately morons will accuse such a movie of ripping off Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Stick=Splinter; The Hand=The Foot), not knowing that it was TMNT was intended as a satire of DD, which came first.

Matt also says in voiceover that his heightened sense of touch gave him a sense of balance too, which is bull. DD’s only superhuman abilities are his four remaining senses, and his radar sense. Period. This "balance" nonsense sounds like Spider-man’s origin.

It also makes no sense that DD, Elektra and possibly Bullseye seem to have superhuman strength too, which isn’t even addressed. DD can leap off a building and land a hundred stories below on a fire escape, which is ridiculous. Elektra can leap from one rooftop up the wall of a taller one. Pass.

OTHER DIFFERENCES FROM THE COMIC:
Elektra is just some regular girl who practices martial arts, and not an assassin.

No mention is made of Bullseye having adamantium bones (and given the way he dies, we can easily conclude he doesn’t), which probably is better in the long-run for the plot.

NITS & NOTES:
In the comic book, DD’s radar sense is an entirely separate power from his four heightened senses. Senses, after all, are passive, whereas radar is an active sending and receiving mechanism. If, as the movie indicates, all that stimuli is painful to him, particularly the sound, he should wear some type of adjustable earplug whose stimulus intake can be raised or lowered, and which he can remove entirely when he has to. Of course, the movie also states that it his hearing that creates the radar sense, so earplugs may block the sound waves as his ears send them out, and the ones that bounce back, so tying the radar into his hearing plugs up this nit.

Given that Matt is a New Yorker, he should already know that being the subway is painful for him, and should not have followed Quesada down there, preferring to wait to get him another day. Why not just show up where he lives? Why go to a bar filled with gunmen, and then go to a place where so much noise is produced? For that matter, don’t gunshots produce more decibels than subway trains? I stand on subway platforms all the time, as do millions of others, without ill effect, but I’ve heard that gunshots can be quite deafening. Don’t people at the firing range wear headgear for this reason, after all?

Quesada gets run over by the C train, and when we see his body (which is admittedly in pieces) his face is practically untouched, with just a trickle of blood trailing from his mouth? Sure it is.

Why is Bullseye annoyed by the woman talking to him if he’s wearing a walkman? In addition, he could just get up, go to the bathroom, and come back, or tell her he’s about to go to sleep.

Is Wesley (played by Leland Orser), Kingpin’s right-hand man, intended to be the Arranger? It woulda been cool if someone referred to him as such in the movie, even he wasn’t bald or older-looking like the Arranger.

As Matt walks up the steps at the gala to meet Elektra, a man blows smoke in the direction of Matt’s face. Given how hyper-sensitive his senses are, I was surprised he didn’t cough even a bit.

In real life, killing someone working for a mobster would be perceived as an attack upon the mobster, and bring that mobster down on you. In the movie, Bullseye kills one of Kingpin’s security guards, for no reason other than "it was fun," and Fisk isn’t bothered by it, nor does there seem to be any notion that he will have to answer to that guard’s family and the police for his death.

Okay, just how many flavors of stupid does Matt have to be to use a walking stick with the same color and design as his billy clubs? Doesn’t it occur to him that people will notice? Well, that’s just what happens, and when Urich compliments him on the color of his walking stick, Matt says, "I wouldn’t know." Nice try, Matt. I don’t think a jury would buy that if someone managed to acquire one of DD’s billy clubs (not inconceivable, since the way in which they’re used opens up lots of opportunities for DD to lose ‘em, which the establishing shot of his array of them may indicate), and compare it to Matt’s walking stick, and conclude that they were both custom-made, and from the same maker.

Okay, so DD gets shish kebabed through the shoulder with one of Elektra’s sais, and he continues to fight both Bullseye and the Kingpin, and the shoulder never hinders him in doing so?

If I wanted to create a visual of what an object would look like if a blind guy with a radar sense perceived rain drops bouncing off it, the shot of the Kingpin at the end is what it would look like. The prior two shots with Elektra didn’t look like that at all, but like regularly-filmed shots with some type of blue filter or blue stock of film, with CGI touching up. The reason, of course, is that the shots needed to convey how beautiful Elektra was, which that type of imaging used for the Kingpin at the end could not as easily do.

Why would Urich type that entire expose piece only to then delete it a few seconds later?

And deleting it is the dumbest move of his career as a journalist. (Interestingly, this is the second instance I’ve heard this week of a plot point in a movie requiring stupidity on the part of a journalist; the other was in Roger Ebert’s review of The Life of David Gale.) The only way this makes sense would be if DD decided to confide in Urich in return for an exchange of favors, and doing this would require Urich to protect his source, but the movie never indicates this, only that Urich decides to withhold the story because he’s a fan of DD.

And how can Urich hit the "delete" key just once and have cursor stream backwards continuously on its own? He could highlight the entire document and then press "delete," or just drag the document into the Trash and then empty it, but I’ve never seen a cursor do that after being tapped just once.

JoshM: I don't know Luigi. He did find the item at the end of the movie.
Luigi Novi: Right. Which pertains to my comment.

Brian Webber: … a few, in particular the Evervesence(sp?) song
Luigi Novi: Evanescence. "Bring Me To Life." And yeah, I like that one two. Its use in the second trailer for the film was a vast improvement over the first trailer.

Art Vandelay: Not a nit just a different premise but in the comics I'm pretty sure that DD could read normal books by touch and didn't specifically require them to be in braille. Maybe in the film he just needed everything in braille for public appearance but I didn't get that impression.

ScottN: I believe you're right, Art.
Luigi Novi: Yeah. It’s in the Marvel Universe Handbook.

MikeC: I hope next movie we get to see the Frog-Man, the Matador, and/or the Stilt-Man…

Benn: Only the Owl, Cobra and Mr. Hyde would make credible movie bad guys. Maybe the Jester. I'm looking through Marvel Comics Index 9B Daredevil, and it occurs to me who'd be the best two choices for the next Daredevil movie villain: Gladiator or Deathstalker. Personally, I'd prefer to see Gladiator.
Luigi Novi: I vote for the Hand!!! And Stick as an ally!!!!

D. Stuart: With all that blood Daredevil spilt and left behind, you're telling me that NONE of the police officers or detectives would've found it and thought of bringing it to forensic analysts to identify Daredevil? This is why the realm of comic book universes never measure up to reality.
Luigi Novi: Many conventions and motiffs of comics are silly, like the way Elektra yelled "liar," (you were dead-on with that), but while the blood thing is a legitimate nit, it's not the sort of nit you wouldn't find in any other type of movie or TV episode.

For some reason, I missed this one when looking at the page of notes I made: At the scene of Quesada's death, the reflection of the burning "DD" in Urich's glasses stays stationary even as he leans his head back.

Here are some other nits from Movie Mistakes, at http://www.moviemistakes.com/film.php?filmid=3051. I haven’t verfiied all of them, so have at ‘em:

When Matt Murdock first loses his sight, he is woken up in hospital room by the sound made by an IV drip, amplified by his new Daredevil senses. Terrified by the noise he gets out of bed and writhes around the room. There is no sign of a needle in his arm and there appears to be no-one else in the room, so what was the IV connected to?

If Matt is sensitive to loud sounds, such as the subway, shouldn't he be writhing in pain as the crowd around him is cheering at his Dad's match?

In the scene where Jack Murdock is killed, we see the body as young Matt runs to him. The father's head is to the left. When young Matt is crushing the rose, and the camera pans back, the father's head is to the right.

In the scene where Matt Murdock's father is killed in the alley, Matt is wearing his father's robe and hood. As Matt runs towards his father's body the robe falls off and lands behind him. Matt kneels down, without turning, to hold his father, then when the camera pulls back the robe and hood have somehow moved several yards in front of them.

When Daredevil is chasing Quesada into the subway, we see a countdown clock above Daredevil at about 53 seconds. In the next shot from Quesada’s point of view, the clock has now jumped down to 32 seconds, even though only about 2 seconds have elapsed.

In the scene in the subway you see a clock that states that it is after 11:50. In the course of the next few shots the same clock states that it is 11:30.

When we see the burning 'DD' in Joe Pantoliano's glasses it is not a reflection. The DD should be backwards in his glasses.

When Daredevil arrives at his studio, you see stairs with a wall on the right, from Daredevil's point of view, then in the next shot he's gone down one step and there's no wall on his right, it's now on his left with his dad's gloves on it.

For someone trying to maintain a secret identity, Matt sure shows off his abilities a lot, most notably having a wire-fu playground fight with a total stranger in broad daylight in front of a bunch of kids.

In the scene where Matt brings Elektra to the top of the roof to view the skyline, he tells her that rain helps him to see. When he looks at her with the rain falling he says 'you're beautiful.' The shot then widens out and you can see Matt closing his eyes. The next shot is a closeup and his eyes are open.

Near the beginning of the movie we see that Matt has many visible scars on his back. But when Matt Murdock and Elektra are having sex in the bed there's a shot of Matt turning over onto his back, and almost all of the scars are gone.

When Daredevil kicks Bullseye off his motorcycle, Bullseye has nothing in his hands when he's flying through the air, but when he lands he's holding Daredevil's baton.

When Daredevil throws his stick and it hits Bullseye on the forehead you can see a red mark where it hit, but the next time we see Bullseye he has no mark.

When Elektra is standing over her dead father her good luck charm is hanging around her neck. In the next shot it is tucked away in her dress.

In the scene following the death of Elektra's dad, we see Matt hitting all of his weapons and helmets to the ground. As he is he knocking down all his billy clubs, you notice that one in the center stays on the hook. He puts his back to the wall and begins to slide down. If you look to the left of the screen the last weapon has disappeared.

At the end of Nicholas Natchios’ funeral, Elektra is exposed to the rain for a few moments, so that Matt can 'see' her face. She then covers up with an umbrella.

When she gets in her car, her hair and face are completely dry.
When Elektra first begins to fight using falling bags of sand, her hair is pulled back. A few shots later, her hair is down by her face.

In the fight scene between Daredevil and Elektra, some of the sheets hanging to dry still have crease lines from taking them out of the package, meaning they have never been on a bed or ever laundered before, just bought for the movie and immediately hung up.

In the scene where Daredevil and Elektra are fighting, Elektra is wearing her charm necklace in the begining of the fight, but after stabbing DD, she is not.

When Bullseye is shot through his hands by the sniper, he spreads his hands with the palms straight outward. This would be impossible, because since the bullet went through the back of his left hand and come out the back of his right hand, the bones of his fingers would be bent accordingly. The fingers on his left hand would be bent backwards, while those of his right would be unable to open completely.

At the end of the movie when Daredevil and Bullseye are fighting, Bullseye is thrown out of the window by Daredevil. The next shot shows him falling to the ground face up. He then smashes into the car face down.

Through the entire finale and epilogue, DD shows no signs of having had a sai run through his shoulder. Not bad going considering that that single wound was enough to almost kill him earlier.

When leaving Foggy in the coffee shop at the end of the movie, Matt grabs his jacket from the chair. However, when he's walking, he is not carrying or wearing the coat. Where did it go?

Okay, I think I’m gonna have to back track on the first nit/note I wrote above. I wrote:

In the comic book, DD’s radar sense is an entirely separate power from his four heightened senses. Senses, after all, are passive, whereas radar is an active sending and receiving mechanism. If, as the movie indicates, all that stimuli is painful to him, particularly the sound, he should wear some type of adjustable earplug whose stimulus intake can be raised or lowered, and which he can remove entirely when he has to. Of course, the movie also states that it his hearing that creates the radar sense, so earplugs may block the sound waves as his ears send them out, and the ones that bounce back, so tying the radar into his hearing plugs up this nit.

But now it occurs to me that something’s wrong here. Repeatedly in the movie, we see that contrary to how real radar works, Matt’s brain does NOT send out waves of its own to bounce off objects, but that he has to produce them by hitting his billy club onto surfaces (as when he does when trying to find Quesada hiding behind a column in the subway), or use the collission of other objects (as when he sees people being sprayed with water). So if he he can "see" all those people when he first wakes up with his powers in the hospital as a child—people who are far away from him, and if all that stimuli requires a sensory deprivation tank, then why can’t he "see" Elektra standing right in front of him? Why isn’t all that stimuli, and for that matter, Matt and Elektra’s voices, enough to allow him to sense her features?

"No mention is made of Bullseye having adamantium bones (and given the way he dies, we can easily conclude he doesn’t), which probably is better in the long-run for the plot." - Luigi Novi

That's because Bullseye didn't get the adamantium skeleton until Daredevil #196, after Daredevil had let him fall atop some railroad tracks (IIRC) (See Daredevil #181.) The fall parallyzed Bullseye. In other words, Bullseye did not first appear with the adamantium. (Bullseye first appeared in Daredevil #131.)

I didn't even read the rest of your four part novel. That was as far as I got. Quite honestly, and no insult intended, I don't have the time to wade through all of it.

Yes, I know that, Benn. But did Bullseye's fall at the end of this movie kill him? Or will we learn in a sequel that it paralyzed him, and he'll get the bones?

"But did Bullseye's fall at the end of this movie kill him? Or will we learn in a sequel that it paralyzed him, and he'll get the bones?" - Luigi Novi

Then why are you complaining about Bullseye not having the adamantium bones if you know he's not supposed to have them yet? It seems a bit pointless, to me, to cite it as a nit or whatever, if you know that in the comics, Bullseye did not start off with metal bones. Why should the movie mention Bullseye having adamantium bones? I'm confused.

Yeah, I'm with Benn on this one. It looks to me like you're desperately searching for a reason, any reason, to not like this movie. Just let it go man! Enjoy the ride! WOO-HOO!

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that Bullseye was still twitching after he hit the car, so my guess is he's alive, but just like in the comics he's temporarily paralyzed.

My god! Brian in agreement with me?! |Nervously looks around. Looks outside| I think the world's going to come to an end real soon folks. Hope you're ready.

Re: Luigi's comments on a sense of balance...

It seems to me that this is quite reasonable. I'm not a neurologist, and neither are you, but it seems as though a person with heightened senses of touch and hearing could easily work out how to more accurately control his balance based on these senses. (After all, balance is controlled in the ears, and has to do with how one feels the various forces acting on one's body.) I do not know whether it counts as an extra sense in the neurological way, but it is an entirely reasonable extrapolation from what Daredevil is known to have gained.

Agreed, Matthew. If I'm reading the descriptions of his powers correctly, the amount of extra input Daredevil is receiving via sound and touch should give him near-perfect balance.

"But did Bullseye's fall at the end of this movie kill him? Or will we learn in a sequel that it paralyzed him, and he'll get the bones?" - Luigi Novi
Anyway, I'm pretty sure that Bullseye was still twitching after he hit the car, so my guess is he's alive, but just like in the comics he's temporarily paralyzed."-Brian Webber.

OK> Did anyone stay thru the credits? I Did not, but was told there is a scene of Bullseye in a full body cast that plays during, or after, the credits. You can tell it is him because he kills an annoying fly in a very BullsEye manner. ;~}

Benn: Then why are you complaining about Bullseye not having the adamantium bones if you know he's not supposed to have them yet?
Luigi Novi: I don’t recall complaining. Just noting it.

Benn: It seems a bit pointless, to me, to cite it as a nit or whatever…
Luigi Novi: I don’t recall doing that either. I do recall citing it as merely a difference from the comic.

Benn: Why should the movie mention Bullseye having adamantium bones? I'm confused.
Luigi Novi: I didn’t say it should. In fact, I did say something along the lines of how the lack of any mention of it was probably better in the long-run for the plot.

Brian Webber: Yeah, I'm with Benn on this one. It looks to me like you're desperately searching for a reason, any reason, to not like this movie.
Luigi Novi: I apologize if that’s how I sound. I thought the way in which I opened my first post yesterday made it clear that I liked the movie. I’m sorry if it didn’t.

Oookay. Now I'm even more confused. You brought up the adamantium because it's "a difference from the comic". But Bullseye would not get the adamantium skeleton until after the after the events of the movie, apparently. And you apparently also knew this chronology. So, again, just what was the reason for bringing up this "difference" if it happens after the events of the film? It doesn't sound pertinent. Or am I just too much of an idiot to catch on?

I didn't see his getting the bones until "after" the events of the movie as being that apparent, because the movie isn't going to be an exact adaptation of the book, which is why I phrased it as a question.

You did phrase it as a question the second time around. However, initially, you were stating it as a fact. And I quote: "No mention is made of Bullseye having adamantium bones (and given the way he dies, we can easily conclude he doesn’t), which probably is better in the long-run for the plot." It sounds to me like you expected Bullseye to have an adamantium skeleton. Again, I don't see why it was so important for you to mention this bit of trivia about the character. Going by Daredevil chronology, it would be too early for Bullseye to have adamantium bones.

Besides, I doubt they ever establish that the movie Bullseye does have an adamantium skeletal system. To the non-comic book geek audience it would possibly cause the viewers to confuse Bullseye with Wolverine.

Well, I've seen it twice now. I didn't really want to see it again but my best friend had to see it and made me take him (as if he needs to save $6.50).

I thought that it was okay. Not that great. It wasn't as good as the other two recent Marvel films.

Affleck did alright. I guess it was kind of hard for me to see him seeking revenge the way he was supposed to be doing in the movie.

Jennifer Garner was gorgeous as usual, however I didn't think that her part (or some of her acting) was anything special.

Michael Clarke Duncan wasn't given much to do as Kingpin. That's kind of unfortunate. I didn't really feel his presence in all of the crime that was occurring in his name.

However, I thought that Colin Farrell as Bullseye was awesome. He really seemed to enjoy the character. I thought that Bullseye was a great villain and I'm glad that he wasn't killed off.

I did like the fact that they killed Elektra like they did in the comic. I thought that that was much more realistic than most comic movies. The good guy can't always win everything.

I did like Foggy and I usually like Joe Pantoliano in any role. This one was no exception.

How exactly did Daredevil jump off of the building at the beginning, land on the window washing platform, and survive without injury? It didn't give way that much.

And why was Elektra so mean to a blind guy? Did she suspect that he wasn't really blind?

Speaking of the burning "DD" reflection. Was it backwards like it should have been? For some reason, I remember the reflection not being, well, reflected.

Oh, never mind.

At the end of Nicholas Natchios’ funeral, Elektra is exposed to the rain for a few moments, so that Matt can 'see' her face. She then covers up with an umbrella.
Why did they put that up as a mistake.

D. Stuart: It was just a ridiculous use of slow-motion
Did you ever see Ecks vs. Sever?

Luigi Novi: to the complaint that he KILLS a rapist in the beginning of the movie (not true)
Doesn't knocking the guy onto the tracks of an oncoming train considered killing him?

Luigi Novi: If he landed on the train tracks, that’s Quesada’s fault, and DD could hardly be expected to risk his life by jumping onto the train tracks to save the life of the rapist who just tried to murder him, especially when an oncoming train would compromise his senses.
He certainly didn't do anything to try to save the guy. Just uttered his laughable "C-train" line.

Luigi Novi: Why is Bullseye annoyed by the woman talking to him if he’s wearing a walkman? In addition, he could just get up, go to the bathroom, and come back, or tell her he’s about to go to sleep.
While it may not be true in the comic, I got the impression that Bullseye was slightly off his rocker.

Luigi Novi: In real life, killing someone working for a mobster would be perceived as an attack upon the mobster, and bring that mobster down on you. In the movie, Bullseye kills one of Kingpin’s security guards, for no reason other than "it was fun," and Fisk isn’t bothered by it, nor does there seem to be any notion that he will have to answer to that guard’s family and the police for his death.
He's the Kingpin. I doubt that it would be that hard for him to cover up the guy's death. Or for him to frame someone else like he did in the death of Elektra's father.

Luigi Novi: Why would Urich type that entire expose piece only to then delete it a few seconds later?
He was going to publish his findings for all of New York to read but decided to keep Matt's secret instead. He had a change of heart.

Luigi Novi: Yes, I know that, Benn. But did Bullseye's fall at the end of this movie kill him?
If you stay for a couple of minutes into the credits, you see that Bullseye survives and is wearing a full body cast in a secure hospital facility.

"While it may not be true in the comic, I got the impression that Bullseye was slightly off his rocker." - Josh M.

At one point, during Frank Miller's run on the book, it was established that Bullseye had a brain tumor and did go a bit crazy. He started seeing everyone as Daredevil and did what he could to kill all the "Daredevils".

Benn: You did phrase it as a question the second time around. However, initially, you were stating it as a fact. And I quote: "No mention is made of Bullseye having adamantium bones (and given the way he dies, we can easily conclude he doesn’t), which probably is better in the long-run for the plot."
Luigi Novi: Except for the part about what’s better in the long-run, the rest of it looks like it is a fact. No mention is made of it.

Benn: It sounds to me like you expected Bullseye to have an adamantium skeleton. Again, I don't see why it was so important for you to mention this bit of trivia about the character.
Luigi Novi: I "expected" no such thing, and I never said it was "important." It was a NOTE. Nothing more. If it sounds like something else, well, I can’t control what something I say sounds like to someone else reading it.

Benn: To the non-comic book geek audience it would possibly cause the viewers to confuse Bullseye with Wolverine.
Luigi Novi: Personally, I doubt non-comic book geeks in the audience would remember that the metal Wolvie’s claws were made of was called adamantium. That movie was a few years ago, after all.

Luigi Novi, quoting Movie Mistakes: At the end of Nicholas Natchios’ funeral, Elektra is exposed to the rain for a few moments, so that Matt can 'see' her face. She then covers up with an umbrella.

JoshM: Why did they put that up as a mistake?

Luigi Novi: Whoops! I forgot to include this last part: When she gets in her car, her hair and face are completely dry.

JoshM: Doesn't knocking the guy onto the tracks of an oncoming train considered killing him?
Luigi Novi: It was self-defense. Quesada was about to blow DD’s brains out. When DD heard the bullet enter the chamber, he flipped him over. As it so happened, he landed on the tracks, something that DD may have not had the time or presence of mind to plan specifically. From what I heard prior to seeing the movie, it sounded like DD murdered Quesada in cold blood.

JoshM: He certainly didn't do anything to try to save the guy. Just uttered his laughable "C-train" line.
Luigi Novi: And as I said, that’s not murder. Quesada’s a rapist, and a murderer who tried to kill DD. If he landed on the tracks after being flipped because he was trying to shoot DD in the head, that’s Quesada’s fault. DD wasn’t required to save the guy, and attempting to do so might’ve ended up with DD dead.

JoshM: He's the Kingpin. I doubt that it would be that hard for him to cover up the guy's death. Or for him to frame someone else like he did in the death of Elektra's father.
Luigi Novi: Bullseye did that, not the Kingpin.

JoshM: He was going to publish his findings for all of New York to read but decided to keep Matt's secret instead. He had a change of heart.
Luigi Novi: He had this change of heart just a few seconds after finishing it? Never while he was writing it? And it just takes him a couple of seconds to decide? Not credible for a journalist, and the way it was filmed, I don’t buy it. At the very least, I would’ve shown him staring at the already-finished piece (How long ago did he finish it? Minutes? Hours? Who knows?), and used a few dissolves to show him sitting there for hours, maybe an entire night as the sun begins to come up, and THEN had him highlight the entire thing, and press the "delete" button.

JoshM: If you stay for a couple of minutes into the credits, you see that Bullseye survives and is wearing a full body cast in a secure hospital facility.
Luigi Novi: Cool. Thanks, Josh.

"Except for the part about what’s better in the long-run, the rest of it looks like it is a fact. No mention is made of it." - Luigi Novi

But Why would they mention it? It has nothing to do with Bullseye as he appeared during the story arc recounted in the movie. And for that matter Why did you mention it? I still don't see that it's apropos of anything. Maybe I'm just too retarded to understand why you bothered to mention it.

"I 'expected' no such thing, and I never said it was 'important.' It was a NOTE. Nothing more. If it sounds like something else, well, I can’t control what something I say sounds like to someone else reading it."

Well, it was important enough for you to mention it. It must have some significance. But as far as I can tell, it really has nothing to do with the movie. Why should they show that Bullseye has an adamantium skeleton?

"Personally, I doubt non-comic book geeks in the audience would remember that the metal Wolvie’s claws were made of was called adamantium. That movie was a few years ago, after all."

With the sequel coming out this year.

And even if they don't remember what type of metal Wolverine's skeleton is said to be made of, they could very well remember that it is made of metal. If Bullseye's bones structure is recast into adamantium, it could quite possibly resonate with the film's audience, leaving them feeling like Bullseye is some sort of rip-off. There are already non-comics fan calling Daredevil a Batman or Spider-Man rip-off.

Luigi - "Why would Urich type that entire expose piece only to then delete it a few seconds later?"

Because he's a writer, and we writers are a temperamental lot?

Writers are famous for coming up with brilliant pieces, and then deciding - at the end - that said piece is just not up to usual standards...and proceeds to delete the whole thing. I'm sure guilty of it.

And frankly, which deletion scene is more dramatic? Bit by bit, or one mass dump?

Benn - "To the non-comic book geek audience it would possibly cause the viewers to confuse Bullseye with Wolverine."

Being of the "non-comic book geek audience" variety, I resent that. I can tell the difference between Bullseye and Wolverine just fine. One is leashed to his bed by a body cast (end of movie), and one is leashed to his team by Jean Grey (who doesn't know that?). ;P

>Muffled noises> >POP< There. Now that I've taken my foot out of my mouth, may I offer my apologies to you, Mrs. Morgan? You're obviously an exception to the rule. If there is a rule, that is.

Saw this a week ago, and liked it. Never really read the comics, so I can't comment on the adaptation. I did have a couple questions/nits though.

1) Is Matt Murdock a ADA or a private attorney? He is shown prosecuting a rape case in court (something a ADA would almost surely being doing, based on my extensive knowledge of Law & Order ), yet has clients that would be expected to pay him.

2) DD's special sense is continually referred to as a "radar" sense. However, from the presentation, it appears to be sound-based (using billy-club to see, being overwhelmed by the subway and explosions). Wouldn't that make it a sonar sense?

3) How is Matt able to see Elektra's eyes in the rain sequences? It doesn't appear that the rain is hitting her eyeball, but it shows up quite well in "radar" shots.

1. In the comics, Murdock is a defense attorney. At one point, he had an office in Hell's Kitchen where he was helping the more needy. What's become of that, I don't know.

2. Sonar is probably more accurate, but it's always been called a "radar sense." In the comics, I believe DD sends out sound waves and basically "sees" things as silhouettes. There have been times when he's lost his radar sense. On one occasion when it happened, Daredevil sought help from his former mentor, Stick. In Daredevil #177, Stick reveals to Murdock that everyone has radar sense. They just do not bother to develop it.

3. I have no idea.

Benn: But Why would they mention it? It has nothing to do with Bullseye as he appeared during the story arc recounted in the movie. And for that matter Why did you mention it? I still don't see that it's apropos of anything. Maybe I'm just too retarded to understand why you bothered to mention it.
Luigi Novi: I wouldn’t say you’re retarded, Benn, but I am very curious as to why such an innocuous comment made in passing provoked such an apparently (to me) irritated response from you. People fill entire boards with all sorts of comments. What’s the big deal about this one?

Why would they mention it? Well, up until recent years, movies based on comic books tended to be written in a more self-contained manner. A perfect example is the death of the Joker at the end of the first Tim Burton Batman movie. They don’t want kill off the Joker in the Batman books, because those books are part of an ongoing, somewhat cyclical 60-year old continuity, and they don’t want to let go of such an iconic villain. The movie doesn’t have that problem, because the movie is produced with the assumption that there might not be more, and even if there are, they’re not going to repeat themselves by using the same member of Batman’s rogues gallery. But now it seems the holders of the Marvel movie licenses are thinking ahead. Magneto is kept alive at the end of X-Men. The way things were ended with Harry Osborn at the end of Spider-Man seem to indicate that he may play a greater role into upcoming sequels, perhaps to play the second Green Goblin. With Daredevil, I didn’t know what approach they were taking. Since Kingpin is perhaps THE signature Daredevil villain, and perhaps more importantly because a mob-boss villain can lend itself to more ongoing stories, perhaps that’s why they kept him alive. But I didn’t know what they were doing with Bullseye. I didn’t see this "twitch" everyone mentioned, and I missed the scene of him in the body cast. Because such villains in movies like this are almost always killed, the fact that Kingpin is kept alive led me to suspect he would be around for a sequel, and now having heard about Bullseye in the bodycast, I’m positive of it. Had I known about the twitch and bodycast scenes, I might’ve incorporated that knowledge when I originally wrote that comment.

Benn: Well, it was important enough for you to mention it. It must have some significance.
Luigi Novi: Says who? I mentioned it because I felt like it. Do I need another reason? This isn’t a political convention, it’s a friggin’ website for talking about anything we want. Significance is relative. Is listing all the examples "47" or "somekindas" on the Trek boards not "imporant enough" or "significant" enough to mention it? The last section of my first post on the Spider-Man movie board after seeing that movie was about differences between the novel adaptation and the movie, and I don’t recall you having any problem with it. People mention these things because they feel like it, period.

Benn: But as far as I can tell, it really has nothing to do with the movie.
Luigi Novi: How so? I wasn’t talking about whether Bullseye had adamantium bones in the Daredevil "novel," or the Daredevil "stage play." I was talking about the movie. How can talking about whether a character was depicted a certain way in the movie have "nothing to do with" the movie?

Benn: Why should they show that Bullseye has an adamantium skeleton?
Luigi Novi: I think I already answered this above, Benn in the third exchange in my first post Monday. I don’t see how I can rephrase it.

Benn: With the sequel coming out this year.
Luigi Novi: So when people see Wolverine with his claws, they’d confuse him with Bullseye if Bullseye had adamantium bones? This is just my opinion, but I don’t buy that. I give people a tad more credit than that, and don’t think whether both have adamantium body parts would cause audiences to confuse the villain with the leather slicker, goatee and Irish accent whose signature move is throwing things played by Colin Farrel with the scruffy good guy with the sideburns and claws played by Hugh Jackman. A character is more than one tiny detail. The use of adamantium would simply be an indication that they come from the same comic book universe, and I DOUBT a non-comic fan when seeing X-Men2 would even REMEMBER that the word "adamantium" was the same one from a movie he say three months ago, or even remember or care about them both having metal bones. When Bruce Wayne mentioned "Metropolis" to Dick Grayson in Batman Forever, did audiences get confused and think they were watching a Superman movie? I doubt it. The friend I sat with turned to me and whispered, "Hey, Metropolis!", and he’s not a comic fan.

Benn: And even if they don't remember what type of metal Wolverine's skeleton is said to be made of, they could very well remember that it is made of metal. If Bullseye's bones structure is recast into adamantium, it could quite possibly resonate with the film's audience, leaving them feeling like Bullseye is some sort of rip-off. There are already non-comics fan calling Daredevil a Batman or Spider-Man rip-off.
Luigi Novi: Personally, I don’t think whether a screenwriter makes a certain choice like this should be dictated by the dumbest yahoos who draw the most specious conclusions. The accusation of something being a rip-off is usually based on more fundamental similarities (costumed vigilante, tragic childhood origin, etc.), not the use of a tiny detail like adamantium/metal bones. I think the likelihood of someone watching X-Men2, and suddenly making this connection (when we don’t even know if they’ll explicitly mention Wolvie’s adamantium again) is low. Just my opinion.

MJ: And frankly, which deletion scene is more dramatic? Bit by bit, or one mass dump?
Luigi Novi: The way I suggested filming it would’ve been sufficiently dramatic, I think.

And Congratulations again, MJ. I know you looked beautiful on your special day. When do we get to see the photos??

Dustin Westfall: Is Matt Murdock a ADA or a private attorney? He is shown prosecuting a rape case in court (something a ADA would almost surely being doing, based on my extensive knowledge of Law & Order ), yet has clients that would be expected to pay him.
Luigi Novi: Is he prosecuting a rape case, or a civil case by the victim?

F it. I give up.

>Is he prosecuting a rape case, or a civil case by the victim?
-Luigi Novi

Well, I've never heard of civil case in regards to rape, though that doesn't mean it's impossible. His primary concern, from what I recall, was getting Quesada off the streets. Even if he won the civil suit, Quesada would still be free.

>I must've blinked or soemthing, because I'm pretty sure I missed Frank Miller's cameo, even though he was listed in the credits.
-Brian Webber

Based on his credited role, "Guy with Pins in Head," I'd say he probably was the security guard that Bullseye killed in Kingpin's office.

>Here's my nit-pick: with all that blood Daredevil spilt and left behind, you're telling me that NONE of the police officers or detectives would've found it and thought of bringing it to forensic analysts to identify Daredevil? This is why the realm of comic book universes never measure up to reality.
-D. Stuart

I'm not sure I understand you. What are they going to get out of testing the blood? Are you suggesting that the police has some massive DNA database to compare against? If not, the most they'll get is a blood type, which, given the size of New York, would be practically worthless for identification.

>Why is Bullseye annoyed by the woman talking to him if he’s wearing a walkman? In addition, he could just get up, go to the bathroom, and come back, or tell her he’s about to go to sleep.
-Luigi Novi

But do any of those options make sense for the character? Given his general attitude, his actions make perfect sense to me.

1 thing I forgot to mention before, did anyone else think that the actor playing the young Matt Murdock looked more like Colin Ferrell than Ben Affleck?

Yeah, he had the eyebrows.

Just to jump in...

Luigi, I think Benn's confusion over your observation is that you noted it as a difference from the comic. While (if Bullseye is truly dead) this may be the case, it may also be something that simply hasn't occured yet.

It would be like someone noting the absence of Robin, Batgirl, Catwoman, Penguin, Scarecrow, Two-Face, etc. from the first Batman film as a difference from the comic.

I don't think it's the same thing, because those characters could eventually appear. You're right about it being something that may not have occurred yet, but as I stated, I didn't realize he was still alive. Had I known about the "twitch" and bodycast scenes, I might not have noted it as a "difference," but simply wondered if they'd include that twist in a sequel. I guess it's just a matter of me wanting to avoid the rush so badly, that I got up and stood near the exit near the end of the movie, and left without seeing that important scene. Fooey on me.

I don't think it's the same thing, because those characters could eventually appear. - Luigi

As could Bullseye.

Twitch or no twitch, a character's demise has often turned out to be greatly exagerrated (just ask, Flash Gordon, Captain America, Superman, Godzilla and Ian Malcolm).

Oh! And Spock, too.

I don't recall Ian Malcolm ever being depicted as dying. When was this?

Fooey on me too, cause I missed it. Thankfully however it was included in the novelization which I started reading about ten seconds after I left the theatre.

Luigi Novi: Now that Bullseye has done to Elektra what he did to her in the comic book (big surprise there), I wonder if TPTB will somehow bring her back to life for the sequel? Bring Elektra back from the dead after such a powerful death? Nah. No one'd do something that dumb, right?

JoshM: I don't know Luigi. He did find the item at the end of the movie.
Luigi Novi: Did I speak too soon? Looks like rigor mortis has barely left Elektras's body, and now look at this.

I don't recall Ian Malcolm ever being depicted as dying. When was this? - Luigi

See... before he existed as a character in a film, there was a little book by Michael Crichton entitled Jurassic Park. In fact, the film was based on the book. In the novel, Ian Malcolm dies from wounds inflicted by velociraptors. Yet he returns for the sequel.

My point was to show that in the sci-fi/fantasy world (regardless of medium) death is not always the end.

For someone trying to maintain a secret identity, Matt sure shows off his abilities a lot, most notably having a wire-fu playground fight with a total stranger in broad daylight in front of a bunch of kids.

I initially had this concern as well. However, upon further consideration, it seems to me that Matt Murdock is in a rare, if not unique, situation for a superhero, in which he can use his superpowers while in his public persona, without revealing his secret identity (Daredevil). The reason is that Matt Murdock as Daredevil presents himself to others as a sighted man in superb physical condition, who has amazing fighting skill, agility, quickness, and intuition. Unless one knows Daredevil's alter ego, it's not obvious that Daredevil is blind, or that Daredevil relies on other senses which are superhumanly heightened in order to function as a superhero. So Matt Murdock, in his pubic persona as an obviously blind man, can show off his super-senses and extraordinary physical abilities without witnesses necessarily deducing that Matt Murdock is Daredevil.


Dustin Westfall: Is Matt Murdock a ADA or a private attorney? He is shown prosecuting a rape case in court (something a ADA would almost surely being doing, based on my extensive knowledge of Law & Order ), yet has clients that would be expected to pay him.
Luigi Novi: Is he prosecuting a rape case, or a civil case by the victim?

I don't remember the language used in the movie, but if the verdict in Quesada's case was "not guilty", then Quesada's case was a criminal case. If the verdict in Quesada's case was "not liable", then Quesada's case was a civil case.


I'm not sure I understand you. What are they going to get out of testing the [Daredevil's] blood? Are you suggesting that the police has some massive DNA database to compare against? If not, the most they'll get is a blood type, which, given the size of New York, would be practically worthless for identification.

Daredevil's blood should be collected by the police under the same rationale that, if police are looking for crime scene fingerprints, any found by the police should be collected by the police even if the fingerprints don't match those in any current law enforcement database. The crime scene fingerprints may match later acquired fingerprints of an identified person whose prints were not previously in any law enforcement database, thus revealing the identity of the person whose fingerprints were at the crime scene. Similarly, blood collected by the police may not be a DNA match to any individual appearing in a current DNA profile database, but the blood DNA may match a later acquired DNA profile of an identified person whose DNA profile was not previously in any DNA profile database, thus revealing the identity of the person whose blood was collected by the police.

Benn: To the non-comic book geek audience it would possibly cause the viewers to confuse Bullseye with Wolverine.
Luigi Novi: Personally, I doubt non-comic book geeks in the audience would remember that the metal Wolvie’s claws were made of was called adamantium. That movie was a few years ago, after all
They might confuse the fact that two guys having two metal skeletons though.

JoshM: Doesn't knocking the guy onto the tracks of an oncoming train considered killing him?
Luigi Novi: It was self-defense. Quesada was about to blow DD’s brains out. When DD heard the bullet enter the chamber, he flipped him over. As it so happened, he landed on the tracks, something that DD may have not had the time or presence of mind to plan specifically. From what I heard prior to seeing the movie, it sounded like DD murdered Quesada in cold blood.

JoshM: He certainly didn't do anything to try to save the guy. Just uttered his laughable "C-train" line.
Luigi Novi: And as I said, that’s not murder. Quesada’s a rapist, and a murderer who tried to kill DD. If he landed on the tracks after being flipped because he was trying to shoot DD in the head, that’s Quesada’s fault. DD wasn’t required to save the guy, and attempting to do so might’ve ended up with DD dead.
Do the cops look at it that way though? The only evidence that they might have it DD's testimony (and any recordings and forensic evidence). Then again, that's not what you were trying to point out.
And I don't see how being knocked onto the tracks could be considered Quesada's "fault". He didn't knock himself there. While it was Quesada's fault that Daredevil was forced to do so (and he wasn't, he could have knocked him the other way but I don't the DD was thinking about which way to hit the guy when he had a gun pointed to his head) it's still Daredevil's fault that he knocked the guy onto the tracks.

JoshM: He's the Kingpin. I doubt that it would be that hard for him to cover up the guy's death. Or for him to frame someone else like he did in the death of Elektra's father.
Luigi Novi: Bullseye did that, not the Kingpin.
Right. But what I was saying was that Kingpin didn't seem to concerned with the guy's death. He didn't seem to care enough to want to punish Bullseye for the act and would probably just have his people dispose of the body and cover up the murder.

What is with the recent genre flicks? Once they kill a character can't they stay dead?

I kinda laughed when Toad uttered that line to Storm at the end of X-Men. I wanted Storm to reply, "Didn't you get sliced in half at the end of Phantom Menace??"

>Daredevil's blood should be collected by the police under the same rationale that, if police are looking for crime scene fingerprints, any found by the police should be collected by the police even if the fingerprints don't match those in any current law enforcement database. The crime scene fingerprints may match later acquired fingerprints of an identified person whose prints were not previously in any law enforcement database, thus revealing the identity of the person whose fingerprints were at the crime scene. Similarly, blood collected by the police may not be a DNA match to any individual appearing in a current DNA profile database, but the blood DNA may match a later acquired DNA profile of an identified person whose DNA profile was not previously in any DNA profile database, thus revealing the identity of the person whose blood was collected by the police.
-Ryan Whitney

True, but what I understood D. Stuart to be saying was that they could identify Daredevil from the blood there as well as any else the police already had. Unless they had a database with Matt Murdock's DNA in it (highly unlikely, since a DNA sample would have to either given voluntarily or court ordered as part of a criminal investigation, and given that Matt seems to be percieved as a do-gooder, I doubt he's been suspected of anything that severe). Still they should have collected the blood for testing. However, what makes you/I/us say that they didn't? My memory is that they cut from the cops appearing on the scene to Daredevil on the cross at the top of the church, with that rooftop crime scene never revisited. Wouldn't the forensics team arrive later?

Also, something else I thought of, why would they assume the blood is Daredevil's. Officially, at least, the police are of the opinion that there is no Daredevil. Since the cops appeared to find Daredevil gone, the only cop that would have seen him would have been in the helicopter, far enough away that all he could say, at most, was that he saw a guy in red leather.

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I guess it's just a matter of me wanting to avoid the rush so badly, that I got up and stood near the exit near the end of the movie, and left without seeing that important scene. Fooey on me.
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If you really want to avoid the rush, just stay in your seat through the credits. Not only do you not miss the end of the movie, but since nearly EVERYONE leaves right when the credits start, or sooner, you can just get up and leave with no crowd whatsoever.

This is up to 116k.

>Daredevil's blood should be collected by the police under the same rationale that, if police are looking for crime scene fingerprints, any found by the police should be collected by the police even if the fingerprints don't match those in any current law enforcement database. The crime scene fingerprints may match later acquired fingerprints of an identified person whose prints were not previously in any law enforcement database, thus revealing the identity of the person whose fingerprints were at the crime scene. Similarly, blood collected by the police may not be a DNA match to any individual appearing in a current DNA profile database, but the blood DNA may match a later acquired DNA profile of an identified person whose DNA profile was not previously in any DNA profile database, thus revealing the identity of the person whose blood was collected by the police.
-Ryan Whitney

True, but what I understood D. Stuart to be saying was that they could identify Daredevil from the blood there as well as any else the police already had. Unless they had a database with Matt Murdock's DNA in it (highly unlikely, since a DNA sample would have to either given voluntarily or court ordered as part of a criminal investigation, and given that Matt seems to be percieved as a do-gooder, I doubt he's been suspected of anything that severe). Still they should have collected the blood for testing. However, what makes you/I/us say that they didn't? My memory is that they cut from the cops appearing on the scene to Daredevil on the cross at the top of the church, with that rooftop crime scene never revisited. Wouldn't the forensics team arrive later?

I haven't given my opinion as to whether or not I think the police actually collected any of Daredevil's (Murdock's) blood for testing. I was just commenting on why blood would be collected for identification purposes, despite the great unlikeliness that a matching DNA profile would at that time already be on record in a police database. As to whether or not the police collected any of Daredevil's blood, I'm not sure either way.


I guess it's just a matter of me wanting to avoid the rush so badly, that I got up and stood near the exit near the end of the movie, and left without seeing that important scene. Fooey on me.

Something I'd like to see is a 2 hour and 15 minute movie which, at about the 1:50 mark, seemingly a decent place to end the movie, fades to black and rolls part of the credits for about 3 minutes, and then comes back to finish the last and most crucial 20 or so minutes of the story. Of course, at least half of the audience will have left the theater during the 3 minute credit roll, only to find out later that they missed the 20 minute big finish to the movie. The fun part would be that those who walked out of the movie early would be legally entitled to nothing as a result of their own misjudgment as to when the movie was "over".

This is in response to the DNA subject. I'm a biochemist and I'm somewhat familiar with DNA fingerprinting.

Keeping it simple: what happens during the fingerprinting is that the DNA sample is classified by what are known as "variable numbered tandom repeats" or "junk DNA". Tests look for non-coding DNA that have repeating units (called codons). Everyone has this stuff, so how can you use it to identify any specific person? The answer: you can't...sort of.

Let's pretend we're police in the DD universe....

All DNA fingerprinting can do is limit the number of suspects. The key is the "variable" part. This allows you to narrow the population group who may have a specific set of tandom repeats. You can look at the DNA and conclude that, say, only 0.5% of the population has this particular set of repeats.

So in a city of 8 million people, even if the police could collect multiple blood samples from DD excursions, all they'd be able to say is that the same person was at the different crime scenes and that that person could only be one of 40,000 people in the city. Then the police could make the jump in logic that DD was male (eye witnesses, or perhaps chromosomal evidence--XY). This would limit your choices to 20,000 people. Next you could look at the population size of the crime area. That section of the city could only contain maybe 20% of the city's population. Assuming your suspect is local, that narrows you list to 4,000 suspects. Let's assume that DD isn't over 50 YO or under 15 YO. Your left with around 2,000 suspects.

Two thousand suspects. What are the police to do? Well, they can't go door-to-door testing people. Not 2,000 times, anyway. Instead they wait. They wait for DD to make a mistake, get caught, leave an eyewitness who's scene his face.

But let's assume DD is witnessed. Someone has a good description of his face. This would likely narrow our suspects to around 200 people. Now let's assume that we're extremely lucky and knock on Matt Murdock's door first. He fits the profile, his DNA tests are positive (assuming he consents to testing--we don't have enough evidence to force him), and he's physically capable of being DD. We've still got one huge problem--he's blind. And no one in their right mind would assume that DD was blind. So we apologize for inconviencing poor, blind Matt Murdock and we going looking for our other 199 suspects.

Short of being video-taping maskless as DD, or leaving a clear complete fingerprint, or a public confession...we, the NYPD, aren't going to drag a blind guy to court for being DD. Let's just say it's a quick way to end a career.

Funny thing is, Gary, in the current storyline of the comic book, someone has identified Murdock as Daredevil. (It was a guy named Silke. He had a very good source.) One of the news papers, The Daily Globe published that information. They contend that Matt Murdock has been faking the fact that he's blind. Murdock has sued the paper for libel. This ought to be interesting.

Regarding Wesley, Luigi, funny thing is when I heard Kingpin say "Wesley," I first thought he said "Wilson." Now, in one of Kingpin's earlier appearances in Spider-Man, he is served by a flunky named Lewis Wilson who resembles the Arranger a great deal (old, glasses, cowardly). I thought this was a cool reference...too bad.

Who replaced Arranger? Was it Pembroke?

I liked this movie.
However, I am getting tired of all these movies that have people jumping up and kicking their advesary three or four times while in the air (I think The Matrix started this trend). Anyway, it's overdone, and is ridiculous. When someone is not grounded, they have no power behind the kick or punch.

Hm, just a few comments...

He created Elektra, and killed her off.

He brought her back, too...

The movie addresses the point that someone with superhuman senses may find it painful to deal with all that stimuli, and resort to sleeping in a sensory-deprivation floater tank. While I’ve never been a regular reader of Daredevil, I don’t know if the book ever addressed this point.

I remember an issue where Matt went to California (I think it was California, not sure) for the first time and his heightened senses were overwhelmed by the warmer climate. I don't recall specifics, but I do remember that they brought it up. Marvel has a similar character with the X-Statix team known as 'Mister Sensitive'. His mutant power is that his senses are cranked up higher than Matt Murdock could even comprehend, and he can only get through the day with the help of a special suit that Professor X designed for him.

There are already non-comics fan calling Daredevil a Batman or Spider-Man rip-off.

Marvel should make a Moon Knight movie... then people would stop comparing Daredevil to Batman, once given an even more obvious target...

Funny thing is, Gary, in the current storyline of the comic book, someone has identified Murdock as Daredevil. (It was a guy named Silke. He had a very good source.)

In the comics, Bullseye actually figured it out once. Once he suspected, he lured Matt to the morgue by killing a friend of his, and while there pretended to be an assistant and threw a scalpel at the side of Matt's head when nobody was looking. Without even turning, Matt blocked it with his cane. How did Matt get Bullseye off his trail? The old classic... dress up a dummy in an armchair, play an audio cassette with Matt's voice on it so it sounds like he's dictating notes into a tape recorder, and while Bullseye sneaks up on the dummy then Matt goes after him in his Daredevil costume.

Mythic Fox: Marvel has a similar character with the X-Statix team known as 'Mister Sensitive'. His mutant power is that his senses are cranked up higher than Matt Murdock could even comprehend, and he can only get through the day with the help of a special suit that Professor X designed for him.
Luigi Novi: And then there's Dominic Destine of the ClanDestine, which came out in 1994. He is an escape artist/performer who goes by the professional name The Griffin. He could hear a conversation that three of his siblings were having as they were approaching the island where he lived by boat, he spent time in an padded, egg-shaped sensory deprivation chamber of his own, and a small piece of chocolate so overwhelmed him that he passed out.

"There are already non-comics fan calling Daredevil a Batman or Spider-Man rip-off.

Marvel should make a Moon Knight movie... then people would stop comparing Daredevil to Batman, once given an even more obvious target..." - MythicFox

That reminds me of a great illustration on the back of The Comics Journal #56. Neal Adams did a picture of Batman in the background, casually throwing his Batarang. The 'rang hits Moon Knight on his right ankle, tripping him up. Batman says, "Well, EX-UUUU-UU-UUSE me!" In the lower right hand corner, by Adams' signature, are two sets of eyes. Looking at the artists' name, one says to the other, "Hey, who is this guy?" The other eyes reply, "I don't know, but you notice he's copying Bill Sienkiwicz's style? What a rip-off."

"Funny thing is, Gary, in the current storyline of the comic book, someone has identified Murdock as Daredevil. (It was a guy named Silke. He had a very good source.)" - me

"In the comics, Bullseye actually figured it out once. Once he suspected, he lured Matt to the morgue by killing a friend of his, and while there pretended to be an assistant and threw a scalpel at the side of Matt's head when nobody was looking. Without even turning, Matt blocked it with his cane. How did Matt get Bullseye off his trail? The old classic... dress up a dummy in an armchair, play an audio cassette with Matt's voice on it so it sounds like he's dictating notes into a tape recorder, and while Bullseye sneaks up on the dummy then Matt goes after him in his Daredevil costume." - MythicFox

I remember that. I haven't read it in years, though. I need to pick more of the old Miller Daredevils again. I kinda miss them.

Murdock, if you've read enough of the series, you will find, has been pretty careless about his secret identity over the years. It's amazing the whole world doesn't he's Daredevil.

The reason, though, I mention the current storyline is that it has resulted in a lawsuit. One of the newspapers in the Marvel Universe, The Daily Globe, has publicly announced that Matt Murdock is Daredevil and that the lawyer has been pretending to be blind. Murdock is suing the paper for libel. If the truth is found out, Murdock, in all honesty, could be disbarred - at the very least. It'll be interesting to see how this resolves itself.

According to this site - http://www.efavata.com/CBM/DareDevil2.htm - the next villain to be brought to the big screen for ol' Hornhead to fight will be Mr. Fear. They can do better than that.

I've not seen this movie, but I take it that the CGI cityscape in the Evanescence video Bring Me To Life is taken from Daredevil?

The Evanescence video is gorgeous: I have it on DVD and I'm playing to death at the moment.

Sophie: I've not seen this movie, but I take it that the CGI cityscape in the Evanescence video Bring Me To Life is taken from Daredevil?
Luigi Novi: I don't recall any such CGI shots from the movie, personally. I'm pretty sure it was created for the video.

And while I'm not into videos, I love that song.

I've finally gotten to see this movie. I rented the tape today and just got back from returning it. The comic book series, Daredevil has always been somewhat of an "also-ran" title to me. A B-grade comic book. Only occasionally - notably under Roger MacKenzie and Frank Miller's run on it - did it become a first class title. I feel the same way about the movie.

There's much of the comic book that the movie tried to duplicate, that frankly, was done better in the four color pamphlet form than the celluloid form. Overall, it was a rather disappointing effort.

Besides the question "Why is Kingpin black" the major problem I had with this film was:

Why doesn't Matt do anything to hide his secret identity? He's unmasked at least twice, once by his archnemesis. He is supposed to be pretending he is a blind lawyer. What's with the whole Bullet time fight scene in the school yard? The whole "I'm a blind Lawyer, you'll never belive whom I am!!!" Doesn't work.

I don't recall that scene utilizing Bullet time. I also don't see why that scene would reveal who he is. It might cause suspicion about the truth of his blindness. It would not lead anyone to think he's Daredevil, because no one knows Daredevil is blind.

The term "Bullet Time" in this context just refers to any post matrix fight that is conducted with the help of special effects.

It's revealing for two reasons. He isn't supposed to be able to see her, yet his fight implies he can.

Two, fighting styles are discernable by experts. "Gosh, that whole fighting with a stick, where have I seen that before?"

Which SFX were you referring to? I don't recall any (unless you mean choreography).

For the most part. If the fight doesn't look like it could take place in the real world, it's an SFX.

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned an obvious nit, if we're talking about transferring the series from comic to film, which would be Electra's costume. She's not dressed in red, but more importantly, she doesn't wear her trademark bandana.
I think they didn't want Jennifer Garner's Elektra to be an assassin, because it might turn off people, and not feel for her when she's killed by Bullseye; it would be an attitude that, oh, well, so what? One killer killed another, no problem. Instead, we feel bad that this Elektra was killed. I remember in the comics not feeling that bad that she was killed off, as I never quite liked her character. To me, the series became too much like the Daredevil And Elektra book, rather than emphasizing Daredevil alone.
Bullseye probably killed the old lady because she was talking even though he had headphones on, which couldn't block out all of her incessant talking. I know that when I'm on a bus or subway that if someone's too close to me with my walkman playing, and they're talking through a good song that I find it annoying (keep the peanuts away from me!). Who knows how long she'd been talking to him? Hours, maybe? It's a long flight from Britain to New York. But you guys were right; Bullseye was psycho, anyway, and had little tolerance for anyone or anything that bothered him.
I really liked this movie, moreso than the other 2003 release of The Hulk, and after seeing what Ben Affleck had to go through to get the face/head/body molds for the costume, and the fight training I have more respect for him.
The only thing I'd change in casting would be Michael Clarke Duncan. He made an awesome variation of the Kingpin, but I think ex-WWF wrestler King Kong Bundy would have made a more authentic-looking Kingpin. I liked Duncan's portrayal more the second time round, though.
Matt should be able to see everything with or without his eyes open, since he does so when as a kid he has bandages on his eyes. His eyes are clearing lacking a pupil now, anyway, so light entering is irrelevant. This would explain the metal depravation tank, that might block out all sound and dull his radar sense enough for him to sleep, and not continue to 'see' things.
On the topic of name-dropping in the movie, Matt and Foggy speak about a 'Mister Lee' who didn't pay them in money but something else. One could think it was a Chinese man named 'Lee', but I'll stick with Stan Lee.

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned an obvious nit, if we're talking about transferring the series from comic to film, which would be Electra's costume.

Not a nit, but a change. By definition an adaptation will change things from the origional.

As for Kingpin, I read that several pro wrestlers read for the part and none had the acting chops needed for the role.

You mean that great thespian, Mr.Hulk Hogan (which the Academy has continually snubbed for an Oscar) couldn't cut it? What a shame.

Benn: To the non-comic book geek audience it would possibly cause the viewers to confuse Bullseye with Wolverine.
Luigi Novi: Personally, I doubt non-comic book geeks in the audience would remember that the metal Wolvie’s claws were made of was called adamantium. That movie was a few years ago, after all.

I'm not a comic book geek, and I still remembered that wolfie had adamantium in his body... Could I spell it if I didn't visit this site, no...

I'm not sure if this is brought up, but what about the nit of DD's costume? Granted, I'm sure he could get some of his costume, but his weapons would be a little harder to make than dying leather and rubber red. This goes for other super heros too, but its less plausible with a person who can't see detail, and only shadows...

Regarding the radar sense vs. sonar, it is true that its more sonar, but its not all passive sonar. I got the impression that when he's banging the hanging sheets, he's effectively getting it to emit sound waves.

I saw the directors cut of this movie, which doesn't have several scenes that the theatrical version contains, the sex scene and others. As such, some of the nits that were mentioned might have been fixed. Has anyone seen both the theatrical version and the directors cut and care to compare the two? Much of the criticism toward the theatrical version don't hold in the directors cut, (at least according to the commentary).

The only part I really didn't like about the movie was his foreplay of fighting elektra in the playground. It seemed too DDish and seemed totally out of place.

Something to note, when Elektra thinks DD killed her father, I immediately thought about spiderman and the green goblin... and the relationship with harry and parker and harry and spiderman...

I just saw the Director's Cut of DD this weekend, and liked it very much. Of course, I liked the original version more than most people here, after reading the previous posts.

I don't think it necessairly 'improves' the movie, so much as explains certain things. Urich approaches Matt on the street, and admits he's giving him warning that he's going to write a story exposing his identity. Matt tells him "If you do that, I'll be ruined." Urich says sorry, but he's a writer. It also gives more meaning at the end of the movie when Ben tells Daredevil (on the rooftop), "Go get 'em, Matt." It was his was of telling Matt that the article was dead.

And speaking of the article, I like Luigi's idea of Urich writing it, and spending hours alone deciding whether or not to delete it. That would have given it more impact.

The main difference with the new cut of the film is the addition of a plotline involving Coolio playing a client of Matt and Foggy's. It adds more humor for Foggy, and touches on the Kingpin's secret connections with the cops, but I found it got in the way of the main storylines of Matt, Elektra, and Kingpin..

That's unfortunate for Coolio (who only appeared in the trailer), and a really pretty actress portraying Matt and Foggy's secretary, Karen, a character from the early run of the comic book, whom I noticed was missing when I saw the movie in the theater.

Also added here is the Kingpin's feat of strength-- killing two inempt 'employees' of his, by crushing each of their throats with one hand, at the same time.

The 'guy with the pen in the head' I believe was Frank Miller, and I thought he was the guy that was shown dead, just before we see Bullseye take off on his stolen motorcycle.

That was a pretty big crash and action going on when Elektra's dad is killed-- and yet it takes a loooong time for any sirens to be heard or anyone taking notice of it.

Comments have been raised about Daredevil still capable of fighting after Elektra stabs him in the shoulder. And yet, Elektra is able to fight after she tries to catch her weapon which punctures her right hand. She slowly remove sit and is seen seconds later fighting Bullseye, holding her weapon in her right hand! Owwwwwwwww! Not only that, but the Elektra-Bullseye fight seems longer, and even more brutal than I remembered the original version. It succeeds in making you hate Bullseye even more.

The Bullseye-in-a-body-cast scene is also played before the credits roll.

All in all, the extra 30 minutes feels like a mini-sequel, or mini episode. It's worth it to rent it, if only to consider it the sequel that we've waited for the past couple of years.