Prime Time (PT) versus Kelvin Timeline (KT)(including Beyond spoilers)

Based on dates from Memory Alpha. They may conflict w/ Star Trek Chronology: The History of the Future by the Okudas.

Birth of Kirk:
PT: March 22, 2233
Kirk born in Riverside, Iowa
The date of 3/22 was due to Shatner’s bday (3/22/1931). The actual sign in Riverside states the birth year as 2228.
Note: Kirk had an older brother, George S. Kirk, who died in 2267.
VS
KT: January 4, 2233.
The Narada arrives from 2387 with Captain Nero and crew.
Several Starfleet crewmembers die aboard the U.S.S. Kelvin.
Capt. Robau killed by Nero.
Kirk born aboard a shuttle escaping the Kelvin.
Lt. Comm. George Kirk killed while acting captain, and Kelvin destroyed.
By the way, Pine’s bday was 8/26/1980.
Note: G.S. Kirk may have been the same character that kid Kirk called ‘Johnny’.

Birth of Chekov:
PT: 2245
VS
KT: 2241

Notes regarding Spock in the KT:
The date that Spock was accepted into Starfleet is unknown. Trek ’09 implies he entered just prior to Kirk in 2255. However three years later (2258), Spock was an instructor, a Commander, involved with Uhura, and First Officer of the Enterprise under Capt. Pike.
Spock’s human mother, Amanda Grayson, died along with many others when the planet Vulcan was destroyed by a black-hole in 2258.

Kirk at Starfleet Academy & becoming Captain:
PT: 2252: Kirk began a five-year officer training program.
PT: 2265: Kirk became Captain.
VS
KT: 2255: Kirk began training program that he completed in three years.
KT: 2258: Kirk became Captain.

Khan discovered & revived:
PT: 2267
He later died in 2285
VS
KT: 2258 or ‘59

Enterprise NCC-1701
PT: Service 2245 - 2285
Built at San Francisco Fleet Yards in Earth orbit. Destroyed orbiting Genesis planet.
VS
KT: Service 2258 - 2263
Built at Riverside Shipyard. Destroyed orbiting Altamid with the saucer section crashing on the planet.

Enterprise NCC-1701-A
PT: Service 2286 – 2293
Built at San Francisco Fleet Yards. The starship was decommissioned early; possibly it was actually another ship that was re-named.
VS
KT: Service 2263 – current
Built at Starbase Yorktown

Five Year Mission:
PT: 2265 – 2270
VS
KT: 2260 – 2265
Wouldn’t it be something if the Nu Trek movies end where the TOS series begins?

The starbase Yorktown looked WAY too advanced for this era. Heck, it looked more advanced that the TNG era, which is a century after this time.

Why is the technology of the Kelvin timeline far in advance of the Prime Time?

because it's created with effects technology 60 years more advanced than the 1960s tv series?

One of the cardinal rules of this site, Judi.

We're nitpickers. We don't deal with reality.

Was there another board for this movie at one point? I could swear I've posted on STB before, on a much larger page.

If not oh well. I agree with you anyway Tim ;)

Scott is right, I'm looking for an in-universe explanation.

My nit stands.

Trek does have precedent for tech that looks more advanced being clearly inferior to technology from the next century. Specifically, what the Defiant did to the ships of the day in the Enterprise Mirror universe two parter.

Yes, but at least Enterprise tried to show that the tech was 100 years behind the Kirk era.

Perhaps it would have been better if the JJ movies had been a complete reboot, a la Battlestar Galactica. That way, they could have avoided these problems.

Quentin Tarantino had been approached to direct the fourth JJ Abrams Trek movie. Maybe it's a good thing it wasn't done.
From cbr.com;
"Screenwriter Mark L. Smith has revealed some details about what Quentin Tarantino had in mind for his as-yet unmade Star Trek movie.
Smith, whose credits include 2015's The Revenant and 2020's The Midnight Sky, recounted his first meeting with Tarantino on the Bulletproof Screenwriting podcast. "[J.J. Abrams' Bad Robot] just called me and said, 'Hey, are you up for it? Do you want to go? Quentin wants to hook up.' And I said, 'Yeah,'" Smith said. "And that was the first day I met Quentin, in the room and he’s reading a scene that he wrote and it was this awesome cool gangster scene, and he’s acting it out and back and forth. I told him, I was so mad I didn’t record it on my phone. It would be so valuable. It was amazing."
"According to Smith, he and Tarantino drew inspiration from old gangsters movies for their Star Trek movie. "We were just kicking back watching gangster films, laughing at the bad dialogue, but talking about how it would bleed into what we wanted to do," Smith said. "Kirk’s in it, we’ve got him. All the characters are there. It would be those guys. I guess you would look at it like all the episodes of the show didn’t really connect. So this would be almost its own episode. A very cool episode. There’s a little time travel stuff going on. There’s all this other... it’s really wild."

Ugh. We already had a gangster episode, back in 1968, 53 years ago, and that's enough of that. The critics and fans would have had a field day comparing the two ('A Piece Of The Action') and this movie, and would have looked like nobody had any new, fresh ideas.
Gangsters in the 23rd century? Again, ugh. No thanks

Well, planet Sigma Iotia II must exist in the Kelvin timeline, might have been fun to see this version of the Enterprise crew pay a visit.

Quenton Tarrantino's Star Trek IV: A [Censored] Bloody Piece of the Action

The scene where Kirk beats Bela Okmyx to death with a pool cue while dancing to a song would have been magnificent.

;-)

Oh behalf of Trek fans everywhere: WHEW!

This movie is available on a few free streaming channels right now, so I figured I'd give it another go. I still don't know if there's another board for this film, after a quick second check I didn't find anything. I'm a little surprised this movie didn't do better at the box office. There's a lot to like here, in the context of the Abrams-verse/Kelvin timeline. Some decent character development, semi-interesting new races, an incredible new space station with the Yorktown (if not an impractical design IMHO), Anton Yelchin's final appearance...

The issues I continue to have are few in number but significant to the plot. Primarily, the main villain has pretty weak with confusing motivations, to me anyway. The first warp 4 starship (USS Franklin) gets lost somehow (the theory in the movie was a wormhole) and crashes on a planet with a seemingly abandoned mining colony. As luck would have it, this colony has hundreds of single-occupant mining craft, and advanced technology that can drain the life energy of individuals and prolong the life of others. Instead of using this technology to try and get him and any remaining survivors home, the captain turns into a vampire essentially; capturing crews from any ships that happens by to extend his and first officer's life and create an army to eventually attack the Federation, over a century later. And what did SF do to him? They expanded too fast and didn't 'struggle' enough for his liking.

That's it. That's why Krull(?) wants to use an ancient weapon... which happens to originate from that planet and we never learn how it's suppose to work, to attack Yorktown. The problem here is the weapon was split into pieces and thrown out into space so that it's never used again. How does he track down the pieces without becoming known to anybody? He also evidently has a significant spy network that gives him detailed reports of SF; he even had Kirk's personal logs.

There's certainly more nits to this movie, which I may get into eventually, but overall Beyond failed to really build up stakes that mattered. The Enterprise has been destroyed so often it's just a dull spectacle now, except this time it's magically rebuilt at the end of the film! I would say it's time to try something new, but I don't think Bad Robot/Secret Hideout is capable of doing new well.

Makes one really long for the days of Berman and Braga.

Maybe Berman, I'm not so sure about Braga. I do believe Berman directed a few episodes of The Orville though, which as a series surprised me overall, but it may be done following its third season.

Anywho, the low-hanging fruit of nits for this movie is that the timeline for the USS Franklin, and its Captain Balthazar (awesome name) Edison, doesn't add up. Edison was apparently a MACO until Starfleet absorbed them making everyone one big, happy family with him a captain. That's all well and good, except the Franklin was a warp 4 starship, and the NX-01 was the first warp 5 ship when the MACOs were still around two years later. There's even a mention of him fighting the Xindi, which isn't possible since only the Enterprise crew fought them, as well as the Romulans.

The possible anti-nits to this are a) this is a different timeline, as was heavy-handedly pointed out in the 2009 movie and/or b) they still used older warp 4 ships following the Earth-Romulan War for some reason. While I liked the design of the Franklin, especially the no-frills transporter effect, the fact that it was still in use after SF was formed, and that it was still space-worthy after crashing a century ago, is more than a little questionable.

Best to just write it all off to happening in a different universe.

a) this is a different timeline, as was heavy-handedly pointed out in the 2009 movie

It's a timeline created by Nero's arrival in the 23rd century. That's the point of divergence. Anything that happened prior to that event should be exactly the same in both timelines.

Thanks, Francois. I was going to point out the same thing.

This cannot be the same reality as TOS happened in. Reason, the technology is too far in advance of what it should be in this time.

They hardly even care about continuity. Before this, they at least pretended to.

So it would seem.

EVERYBODY looks different, too, which means Kirk and Spock looked like Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto and not William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy in this universe.
This Enterprise is also brand new-- the TV series universe Enterprise was over 13 years old when the series began.
Add to that that Pine/Kirk's pre-Enterprise life is completely different from Shatner/Kirk's, the 'altered timeline' is only one aspect of how different the TV series universe is from this movie series.

Cannot be the same universe.

And you know what I'd tell the producers in 2009 who were to0 chicken to admit it was a different universe? I'd say, "It's OKAY! Fans can accept this being a different place, more than they can that time was changed and this is what happened, and now the TV series and TOS movies don't exist."
We can accept a Mirror-Universe and an Anti-Matter Universe-- fans would be okay with a different Trek universe, as proven by ticket sales that led to two sequels.
Just don't play coy with fan's loyalty.

Too bad Jar Jar Abrams didn't listen.

What the heck was that guy doing there anyway. He himself admitted that he was a Star Wars fan, not a Trek one. Any wonder he jumped ship when the opportunity to direct a Star Wars movie came up.

I wouldn't say he's much of a SW fan either, considering how little new material presented in TFA. He meant to be one and done with SW too, but RJ ignored everything built up in ep 7 so he was begged to come back for ep 9, as if nobody else could clean up the mess?

Different actors, new filming technology, a darker tone... I can live with all that if the writing and characters are handled with some nuance. As JD so appropriately said:

Before this, they at least pretended to [care].

Perhaps Trek should never have come back.

Alas, we'll never know.

What would be a good Title for the Fourth Star Trek Film in the
Kelvin Timeline
The Working Title is
Star Trek 4 , but can anyone imagine what the final Title will be ?
Serious answers only Not
Something like
Star Trek: Good for You

The crew of the Enterprise go golfing... Star Trek Fore!

;-)

Imagine if Star Trek:Fore had real life golf superstars
Paige Spiranac & Grace Charis