Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker

Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections: Batman: The TV Show: Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker
By Moderator on Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 4:08 pm:

<From "The Undesirable Element":

What a great movie! This is the all time best Batman movie ever. (And I'm including the live-action ones) I don't care about the editing that supposedly went on, it didn't take away from my enjoyment. If you haven't seen this movie, Go buy it, rent it, steal it NOW!!

GREAT LINES:

FLASHBACK JOKER: "I'd laugh if it weren't so pathetic. Oh what the heck, I'll laugh anyway!" (insert maniacal laughter) HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

FLASHBACK JOKER: "If you don't like the movie, I've got slides." (Batman then throws him out a window)

NEW BATMAN (to Joker): "The old man wouldn't know a good joke if it jumped up and bit him on the cape. Not that you ever had any good jokes."

NEW JOKER (shortly after gassing his Joker flunky): That's also how we did it my day.

NEW JOKER: (maniacal laughter) Come on! Laugh it up now McGinnis! (more maniacal laughter).
TERRY: gasp gasp
NEW JOKER: I CAN'T HEEEEEEAR YOU!!!
TERRY: HA.... HA....
(Terry electocutes the Joker.)

DANA: Terry my hair's on fire.
TERRY (asleep): You look nice.

TERRY (after getting Wayne's answering machine): Wait a minute, it's night. Where does he go??

NEW BATMAN IN THE RAFTERS: So you fall into a vat of goo, it bleaches your face and you decide to become a supervillain? What's the matter? Weren't good enough to be a rodeo clown?

The whole movie is chock full of great lines.
Again, I highly recommend this movie.

See ya later everyone.
TUE>


By BrianB on Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 7:44 pm:

WARNING!! SPOLIERS!! WARNING!! SPOILERS!!
WARNING!! SPOILERS!! WARNING!! SPOILERS!!

Plot Outline: In this action-packed adventure, the sleeker, more dangerous and seemingly immortal Clown Prince of Crime is back to terrorize Gotham, Batman and the aging Bruce Wayne.
While trying to uncover the Joker's secrets, Terry McGinnis, the new Batman, discovers the greatest mystery in the career of the original Batman - the true story of the night Batman fought the Joker for the last time. Though when Bruce Wayne is almost killed in one of the Joker's new attacks, it's up to Batman Beyond to avenge his mentor and put the Joker to rest forever.

THE EDITS: (I have not seen the unedited version of ROTJ. The following list is from the hucksters and bootleggers of Ebay [I won’t pay what they’re asking for a copy])
First fight scene trimmed and altered. Dee Dee fight scene noticeably trimmed, as well as the “pan around” sequence.
The scene showing the batarang beheading a Two-Face dummy is cut.
“Putzes” changed to “Yutzes” during Joker intro scene.
Bonk not shot, but gassed, and dies off screen, which is evident when his laughing stops.
Because of the above, the whole “Dee Dee, take out the trash” and “Are you with me?” sequence is cut.
“I don't know why the boss wants a dreg like you outta the way, but as long as it's fun” Chucko line cut, as well as the scene where he punches Terry. Also, punch from Terry to Chucko while en route to save Dana is cut.
Dana's injuries downgraded to “one bump and a couple cuts”.
In Flashback, the usual Batgirl “hooker” contacts, last scene in "The Ultimate Thrill", are changed to a guy and girl.
“Joker Junior” laugh is cut extremely short.
Batman's knife is digitally removed as he breaks from his bindings.
The scene showing Batman throwing his knife at the Joker is cut.
Batgirl/Harley fight trimmed by one punch.
Joker dialogue altered from “After all the shocks and drugs took effect...” to “All to soon...”
More than half of “Our Family Memories” are cut, mainly the scene showing Joker penning the barbeque, grabbing voltage tongs, and shocking Robin.
All blood from the movie is digitally removed.
Joker no longer slashes Batman across the chest and stabs him in the leg with a knife. The knife is digitally removed and just punches Batman. (Note: The leg stabbing is the cause of Wayne's limp)
Joker's “Make me proud” changed to “Make him one of us.”
Batman's “Tim” moan is cut.
The Joker slips in water and is electrocuted, instead of being shot by an insane Tim Drake.
Barbara's dialogue is altered from: “We buried Joker deep beneath Arkham...” to “...And for Robin's sake, he kept that night a secret...” therefore not directly mentioning Joker's death.
Barbara's dialogue is altered from “she helped him back to sanity” to “...she helped Tim back to himself.”
“Amy” sequence on the Wayne yacht cut.
Jordan Price's dialogue changed from “...bunglers tried to kill Wayne” to “...bunglers tried to ice Wayne”.
Bruce's dialogue altered from “Robin did kill him” to “Robin defeated him”.
Tim Drake's dialogue altered from “Oh God, I killed him” to “Oh God, I did it”. Also, “I can still hear the shot” changed to “I can still hear his scream”. And “I can still see his dead body” changed to “I can still see his frozen smile”.
Tim Drake's dialogue changed from “It's a killer” to “It's a doozy”.
And finally... “Bat-Fart” changed to “Bat-Koot”.

RUMINATIONS ON THE EDITS: This movie was always supposed to be a direct-to-video movie. If the violence was unsuitable to produce in the first place, even for a direct-to-video release, then why make it in the first place? I believe the edits in ROTJ are not so much politically motivated, but the usual case of corporate greed. About a year from now, as sales peak, they’ll come out with the “Director’s Cut” version where the original adaptation is released. If this movie was so heinous, how was it green-lighted in the first place? It will eventually air on TV and up to now all Bat-toons have obtained a TV rating of TV-Y7-FV (suitable for viewers age 7 and up –- fictional violence). They don’t want to this movie to air on TV with a rating of TV-14 (PG-13-like). It probably wouldn’t hurt if they did. If you want to draw a mature audience, make it TV-14. Otherwise, how is it politics interfered with ROTJ’s release, yet South Park (TV-MA) continues to air unchallenged?
·THE NITS: The Dee Dee twins, Delia and Deidre Dennis, save the movie from the clichéd, “No, she’s Delia, I’m Deidre”. Or a more familiar example, “No, she’s Cathy. I’m Patty.”
·One Deed kicks Batman across the face and momentarily distorts his electronic sight. What if she had completely disabled his mask’s built-in view screen and effectively blinded him? Would he have to remove his mask? When you think about it, that’s got to be the least practical gadget of the omnipotent Batsuit. Terry doesn’t require Robocop-vision. Maybe Wayne does if he’s going to coach him, so let Wayne’s link to what Batman sees not compromise Terry’s natural vision.
·Ghoul is an unworthy adversary. His gimmick is the Halloween motif and the closest thing he has to a weapon is his pumpkin-shaped trick-or-treat pail.
·Batman knocks Bonk into his antigravity forklift’s open turbine, or whatever that circular device on the vehicle’s rear is that’s spinning and generating power (to fly, I presume). Unless there’s a safety screen built in that we can’t see, the generator should’ve spun Bonk and tossed him overboard, or if too heavy, mangled his backside.
·The Jokerz gang had stolen a systems scanner using three flying forklifts. Bonk gave chase on Batman, one Deed broke away to save her sister in freefall. That left Chucko driving the third forklift and unable to control his descent and salvage the machine. After he crashed on a skyway (note there was no traffic), he climbed aboard the systems scanner to salvage its memory board. Thing is, the machine was arcing electricity. That seemed to be a foolhardy exercise. Maybe his shoes were insulated but his hands were bare and thus, left him susceptible to shock.
·I don’t believe Chucko’s name was ever mentioned throughout the edited version.
·That blast of Bonk’s doomed forklift crashing against a skyscraper sent Batman crashing into what appeared to be a rooftop’s duct work and demolishes it to pieces. He later emerges from that wreckage and sat surrounded by debris. The next shot shows him sitting as the “camera” pans and zooms in on him for a close-up. The wreckage no longer surrounds him. It’s only in back of him and no time was taken for him to sweep any of that debris away.
·As Batman accesses the total damage done to the city by his thwarting the Jokerz robbery, he says, “That ain’t coming out of my allowance.” Oh yeah? Then who will pay for it? Certainly not the Jokerz. The taxpayers?
·So Bruce Wayne has total control over his company again. I wonder when this change will be noted in the TV series.
·The Joker does look creepier than ever. And he didn’t need to have his eyes painted yellow or black or his lips and teeth, now or then. A vast improvement. Actually, the eyes and teeth are yellowy. Just more subdued than his earliest episodes. You can see the difference when Tim Drake transforms into the Joker.
·Joker says he’s tanned, rested and ready to give Gotham a wedgie again. Well, he’s two-thirds correct.
·Joker asks Ghoul to locate another systems scanner to steal; the information he calls up on the computer was unreadable. Unless my eyes deceive me, the text consisted of nothing but a bunch of thick, horizontal lines. I mean, I couldn’t read it. Could you? :)
·McGinnis accompanies Wayne to his welcome-back party wearing his best suit but his hair is still scruffy. Doesn’t Terry ever comb it back even on special occasions?
·At the party, before the Joker’s entrance, at least half of the extras in the background of each shot had rigor mortis. In the opening overhead view of the balcony, everyone had rigor mortis.
·What were the chances that there happened to be a trap-door platform in the middle of the stage where Wayne was making his speech in which the Joker would ascend through to make his grand entrance?
·I wonder what the weight capacity of Batman’s rocket thrusters is. He caught a tall man and a heavyset woman falling from the balcony at the party. Both persons are probably about equal in weight. I’ll be charitable and estimate about 180 pounds each. So Batman can carry nearly 400 pounds and fly them up to safety with no difficulty?
·For the first time since this series debuted, I caught a glimpse of the service elevator in the bat cave. The elevator commonly used by Alfred to serve Master Bruce his dinner. Throughout the series, that elevator appeared to be missing which gave me cause to believe it was removed. But here it is, in ROTJ, located to the left of the display cases and to the right of the giant penny and dinosaur exhibit. Now that I know it’s there, why doesn’t Wayne ever use it? Why must he, Terry, and others always have to enter and exit through his study and use the stairs?
·Wayne, in remorse, says he had no right to force this life on Terry or anyone else. He’s being too hard on himself and he’s not correct. At the conclusion of “Blackout”, he tells Commissioner Granny Gordon, “I never wrangled anyone. Every one of you came to me.” And in “A Touch of Curare”, he again told Barbara, “I’m not forcing him”. Well, Maybe he forced Dick Grayson.
·After Bruce relieved Terry of duty, he tosses his backpack containing the Batsuit to the cave floor. And overlooking the suit is Wayne’s costume display cases and a present-day Batman mannequin dressed in the present day Batsuit. I suppose it must be a facsimile and not a functional spare suit. But if it is, it explains how Terry has little downtime each time his suit gets destroyed episode after episode. Wayne is constantly at work making supplemental suits.


By BrianB on Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 7:47 pm:

·When Terry tells his mom he’s no longer working for Mr. Wayne, she doesn’t seem to care for an explanation why. She just casually dismisses the news and welcomes the fact that Terry will be home more for a change. And I thought Aunt Harriet was dense.
·It looks like Mary McGinnis buys no-name brand groceries. The cereal at the breakfast table is just known as “CRUNCH” and the milk is just labeled “MILK”.
·A homage to the campy series was made here, IMHO. In the bat cave, Wayne’s Joker antitoxin was labeled “JOKER ANTITOXIN”. It wasn’t necessary to label it for the benefit of the audience. Judging by the vial Terry recovers from the floor, loads in an injector and shoots Wayne with, and by Barbara’s dialogue, we knew it was antitoxin.
·The Deeds, dressed in their civvies, break in on Terry and Dana at the dance club; their hair is down below their knees. They do the Jessica Rabbit thing (or in BTAS terms, Poison Ivy and Talia); their hair covers one eye. As they enter the dance floor, their right eyes are covered. From that point on, their left eyes are covered. When in costume, how are they able to pile their hair up under their Raggedy Ann wigs or otherwise matte it to look like yarn? Or maybe the better question is which is their natural hair? Why were the Deeds the only ones not in their Jokerz disguises?
·Terry knocks Chucko one story below in the dance club and he lands him on top of a weirdly designed stereo speakers. As Chucko lies unconscious, the speakers arc electricity (of the non-harmful type, of course).
·As Terry arrived at Wayne Manor and found the place had been trashed, there’s a shot of the grandfather clock separated from the bat cave entrance and split almost totally in two. The next shot from a side perspective showed that clock leaning against the same bookshelves but completely intact. The clock also appears too small to conceal the entrance.
·As soon as Terry crossed the entrance, the light in the bat cave already cast him and his clothes a different color. If the light sources in the cave are that intense, there ought to be a lighting conflict beaming out of the entrance or some aura glowing at the entrance.
·As the flashback begins, Robin swings through the city on a bat line. He lets go of the line and does some acrobatic flips on rooftops. First off, he lands on his hands on one rooftop and springs forward and flips himself to land on an adjacent roof. The adjacent building was not connected to the first. So by his sheer strength and not so much by his forward momentum, Robin, upside-down, vaults from the summit of one rooftop across a street or alley onto the roof of a lower building. Only in a cartoon… Second, why did Robin release the bat line? Won't he need it ever again? Obviously he had another one, otherwise he wouldn’t have been able to quickly propel himself to the ground to aid a damsel in distress.
·The woman, later to be revealed as Harley Quinn, magically whips out a great big mallet to wallop Robin. Where did the mallet come from? Was it really inside her trench coat? Because if it was, wouldn’t the mallet create a noticeable bulge on her profile? And besides, her coat was fastened closed by a belt.
·In the run-down Arkham Asylum where Joker and Harley have made a pretense home, Batman finds them in the theater. A sign on the left door of the double doors leading into the theater says “OPERATING THEATRE”. The next shot from inside the theater shows Batman barging in. After opening the doors, the sign on the left door is missing.
·After Joker turned Robin into a mini-Joker, the animation got very choppy and herky-jerky. Did the Joker pull Robin’s back molars out? Because Robin’s perpetual grin exposes his front teeth completely but the rest of his teeth appear to be missing.
·What powers the operation table-gurney on which Joker escaped from Batman? I saw no sign of motors or extra mechanisms. It magically propels Joker over the faux home wall.
·Harley tells Mini Joker to get her bazooka. A good thing he got her a genuine one instead of the gadget ribbon-mummifying bazooka.
·As Batgirl prepares to leap from a construction sawhorse barricade, she sees the abyss and on the wall of the pit in a lightning flash are Harley and her bazooka’s shadow. Thing is, the shadow position is below Batgirl’s position. Harley was some fifty feet behind her and therefore, unable to cast that shadow the depth it was cast.
·As Batgirl descends on Harley, she casts the perfect bat logo shadow on Harley’s bazooka. To do such a trick would require her body to align so perfectly so any part of her body below the head won’t profile below her cape. It’s seems impossible.
·Why is there an abyss in the heart of Arkham Asylum? How much of that asylum was built into the ground? When the asylum was partially demolished, what was the cause of that bottomless pit in the heart of Arkham?
·As Batman crashed through the projection room window, the fight sequence was animated in real time but the effect of broken glass spreading across the scene was in slow-motion.


By BrianB on Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 7:52 pm:

·If the deleted scene of the Joker stabbing Batman is the reason for Wayne’s limp, then how did he manage to fight crime in the 21st century unhampered in his latest Batsuit before finally retiring (the pilot “Rebirth” back-story)?
·In the same edited sequence of the knife fight. Joker slashes his knife across Batman’s chest. In the edited version, a frame-by-frame examination shows a fabric tear in Batman’s costume right at the bat logo and some exposed skin as Joker punched him down from the top of the oversized playing blocks. As Batman tumbles down from the blocks, there is a quick glimpse of his chest area and there is no tear in the costume. Likewise, the tear was missing when Joker grabbed Batman by the fabric to hold him up for Joker Junior to shoot. Perhaps all the tears were intended to be digitally removed in the edited version but because one tear was indeed visible, the subsequent missing tears create a nit.
·Continuing on the subject of nits created between original vs. edited versions, in the edited version, after Tim/Robin/Joker Jr. refused to shoot Batman by tossing his gun away, he pushes Joker against a glass vessel and ruptures it, spilling water and scattering live wires. Joker then approaches Drake, slips in the water, gets caught in wires, pulls a switch on his way down, and gets electrocuted to death, and thus spared anyone, especially Robin, the duty of directly killing Joker. That sequence of events must’ve been added for the edited version because in the uncut version, Robin shoots the Joker. The nit is created when young Drake bursts into tears and falls to the floor right by the supposed gun he used to kill Joker. The way I see it, Drake is standing in the same position he was when Joker tossed him the gun to shoot Batman. And if the Joker died by electrocution rather than a gun then the gun should not be at Timmy’s feet when he started crying. He threw the gun away earlier and eliminated it from the plot. Shooting the Joker is probably the real motivation for Timmy’s tears. He took a life and it breaks one of the solemn oaths of being Batman or on his team.
·Granny Gordon concludes the back-story saying Tim Drake soon left to make it on his own. He had spent one year having his psyche healed by Dr. Leslie Tompkins. That still left Drake in his mid-teens unless he was much older than depicted in the final days of the Bat family. So as a minor, how does Drake make it on his own with Wayne no longer his surrogate father? Other relatives?
·I know why Tim’s rehab took so long. He had Bart Simpson Syndrome. His Mini Joker laugh was provided by a woman (Voice Director Andrea Romano).
·If Joker and Harley were serious about settling down and having a “family”, were they going to wear their respective costumes 24/7 for the rest of their natural lives? Or was it just in anticipation and preparation for the final battle with Batman and Batgirl? I can see Harley’s daily routine: Wake up, put on clown white makeup, suit up, be a wife and mother, commit occasion crimes, undress, clean off makeup, sleep. Repeat. I don’t think Joker could stand a stable family life, anyway.
·New Batman pays a visit on Drake at his work. As Drake was doing some precision work on a massive satellite dish, he tells the invisible Batman he might as well show himself, he heard him a mile away. “That old training never goes away, even at my age.” Yet he didn’t hear Batman leave at his last sentence.
·Speaking of which, Batman left so fast and stealthfully and put so much distance between himself and Drake, I don’t understand how he picked up the clue that Drake was the Joker and the one who destroyed the Robin costume in the bat cave. The clue was given in Drake’s final sentence in which Batman had already departed and was way out of earshot unless he didn’t leave but instead became invisible again. What’s weirder, Batman was with Drake right up to the last sentence (prior to, “Some things never change”).
·As all the pieces came together, McGinnis is on Drake’s tail and he tells Wayne, “There’s something else I want to take with me,” meaning Ace, the bat hound. Why didn’t he just cut to the chase and say he’s taking Ace with him rather than regarding the dog like he’s not in the cave with them and giving Wayne a moment to consider the meaning of Terry’s words and another moment for Ace to react to it?
·Drake’s defense systems can pick off Batman’s batarangs one-by-one, but can’t even hit him more than once, even when he’s standing stationary in the open or when he’s ducked behind a fallen table.
·Batman drives the batmobile over the city’s highways rather than in the sky. Odd, the last thing Batman needs is to waste time finding the Joker’s stronghold racing roadside along with the common traffic. The batmobile, when airborne is capable of speeds of Mach 3 (see “The Call” part 2). In Gotham City, Bat-Ter has been noted flying at speeds of just below 180 mph (see “Eggbaby”). So why is Batman racing the satellite weapon on the ground among downtown traffic?
·All of the road vehicles lack sporty colors except one. Red. Of the three cars Batman passed in one highway scene, and the scene of the death ray strafing another highway, only two had its headlights on. The ground-bound Batmobile doesn’t show any evidence of headlights, taillights, or any running lights.
·As Joker was sweeping the satellite death ray through the city, the only casualties were the real estate, naturally. All buildings empty, all traffic elsewhere. It seems no lives were lost, even offscreen. The lack of heavy traffic in Gotham was convenient.
·Isn’t it lucky for the Joker that there’s at least one last archaic, abandoned factory befitting of his style standing in the heart of Gotham? It sure took long enough for it to close and become run-down. According to the bat computer, the Jolly Jack candy company closed in 2025.
·The Deeds collide with each other three times throughout this movie. It’s the typical way for twins to take each other out rather than have the man use extreme force on girls. How do the twins expect to defeat Batman anyway by hand-to-hand, or rather feet-to-head? Their brute strength is no match for his suit of armor unless maybe they can knock out his mask vision.


By BrianB on Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 7:55 pm:

·Ace understands English as well as any other fictional animal on TV. He waited for Bat-Ter’s cue before attacking Wolf. And did a fashionable entrance on the Joker when Bat-Ter said, “Sic ‘im”. All Batman had to say was “Ace! Here” and the dog munches the batsuit-disabling claw off his wrist and snaps it to pieces. Batman doesn’t even gesture or indicate the claw. Ace just knows to bite it off. Got to love the way Ace gave a one-bark reply to Bat-Ter’s query, “Miss me?”
·When the Deeds flipped towards Batman, he stood calmly and went to invisibility. The instant he faded completely, one landed on his exact position with her fist flying. Just because he’s invisible doesn’t mean he wasn’t still standing in place. For him to have time to dodge the twins, we would have to have seen some movement the moment he was vanishing.
·Just prior to the climactic battle at the Jolly Jack candy company. Tim Drake’s dialogue resumes with, “Fun and Games. Boy Wonder playing the hero, fighting the bad guys and nobody ever…” He was about to say, “gets killed”. That’s why, in the unedited version, he continues with, “Oh God, I killed him”. During Drake’s remorseful dialogue, we see Wayne’s reaction shot from the bat cave. Wayne surmises that Drake, for all his rehabilitation, has long suffered the trauma of the final battle with the Joker. That reaction does not have as much resonance when Drake’s following lines, “I can still hear the shot. I can still see his dead body” are changed to “I can still hear his scream. I can still see his frozen smile”. This is what Barbara meant when she finished her flashback tale, “With his last act of cruelty, the Joker had tainted us all with compromise (murdering Joker) and deception”.
·Joker had Wayne Manor plotted on a city map. His estate lies on the shore in the heart of the city. Even though Gotham City has grown by leaps and bounds over four decades, I thought Wayne Manor was still miles away from the city limits. Yes, Granny Gordon was looking at the city seen prominently in the background inside Wayne Manor, but the skyscrapers have doubled in height in the future Gotham.
·When Tim Drake transforms into the Joker, his disheveled hair became neat and slicked back. Drake is a fit but heavyset man. After he turns into the Joker, his physique becomes even more sleek and robust. Almost a dead ringer for Frankenstein –- very creepy. Also the Joker voice completely usurps Drake’s voice. Enough so to read as identical to the real Joker on Wayne’s bat computer.
·Batman said, “Let’s dance, Bozo!” I wonder if the use of the slang expression, bozo, won’t become obscure 40 years from now. I wonder if the television legacy of Bozo the clown will endure 40 years from now.
·Batman doesn’t use any gadgets on Joker. Joker’s brute strength and quick reflexes intimidated him. Hand-to-hand combat is more dramatic, but one sure way to end a battle quickly would to be to use that gadget batarang to wrap Joker in titanium bindings just like he did with the Repeller in “Untouchable” (probably produced after the first drafts of ROTJ). Just like Harley did with common ribbons to the Old Bat.
·Joker pulls the mask off Batman to strangle him. If it’s that easy to do, anyone can sneak up Batman, rip off his mask and expose him. At the top of the film, one of the Deeds sat on his back and held his cowl by the ear tips. Though not to expose Terry, but so the other Dee can kick him in the face again. Too bad. If they learned his identity early, the Jokerz would better understand why the Joker ordered them to kill McGinnis.
·Bat-Ter does a one-handed pulling the mask back over his head as easily as one would slip on an executioner’s mask.
·When Joker planted a table on Batman, Batman’s left hand was covered, the hand that held Joker’s hand buzzer on his ring finger. Except in one shot; his left hand clutched the edge of the table and the buzzer was not on any of his fingers.
·When Batman uses the buzzer against Joker’s implant, the destruction of the implant resembled a digital “happy face”. Joker is subjected to the electric shock for a long duration. The Joker in Tim Drake may have died, but it’s still Drake’s body and we can’t kill Timmy. The long shock should have been more devastating. Guess Batman should’ve added water. How much voltage can a gadget hand/ring-buzzer carry anyway? Maybe it was never designed to do lethal damage.
·As the satellite weapon shuts down and drifts into space rather than fall to the earth, we see the blue atmosphere lining the planet surface. Shouldn’t it be purple like the Gotham sky is? In “Out of the Past”, the sky over New Cuba and the plane trip to New Cuba was purple giving me cause to believe the sky of the whole world is purple. But in “The Call”, Metropolis is the exception to the rule with a normal blue daytime sky.
·We never see the Jokerz gang taken into custody. After the final battle, their grandmother, Harley Quinn, bails out the Deeds. “Oh, shut up, Nana Harley!” If not for the shameless namedropping, the scene would’ve been totally irrelevant. Talk about a red-herring clue as if the loyal bat fan couldn’t recognize her voice, although her physique really went to pot; short and hunchbacked. If I’m not grossly mistaken, minor shrinking with age is usually the result bad posture and bone loss. Yet Harley has shrunk a foot, her sexy, long legs are reduced nearly to stumps. I guess that fall she took in the Arkham Abyss required a skilled surgeon to literally take her apart and put her back together. Yeah, that’s it. Her DNA has been embedded in a microchip and implanted in the brain stem of an innocent woman. And when she wants, Harley’s essence takes over the woman’s body and she’s again the spry, sexy, insane chick from yesteryear! BWA-HAHAHAHAHA!!!
·Arlene Sorkin is proof you don’t need to hire a different actress to play the role of a character’s elderly counterpart vis-à-vis Barbara Gordon.
·FINAL THOUGHTS: It’s too bad Maxine Gibson didn’t have any role in this film. She could’ve gotten the inside scoops she craves on the Bat legacy. Max, formerly Penny Gadget (Cree Summer role in Inspector Gadget cartoon series), could’ve used her “computer book” to magically override Joker’s “Satellite-O-Death”. :)
·The whole Joker immortality premise looks like a combination of two previous Batman Beyond episodes, “Lost Soul” and “Out of the Past”. In “Lost Soul”, billionaire Robert Vance downloaded his memories and his essence into a computer network before his death. That essence invaded Batman’s suit and took it over, debilitating Batman. Vance’s essence then tried to insert itself into his grandson, Bobby, in order to have a second lease on life and continue to run his company. In “Out of the Past”, Ra’s Ah Ghul inserted his essence into his daughter, Talia, sacrificing her to save himself from his broken, dying body. He returned to Gotham in Talia’s body to lure a melancholy Bruce Wayne to the Lazarus pits. After rejuvenating Wayne, Ra’s would implant his essence into the renewed Wayne, take over Wayne’s company as the long, lost son of Wayne and Talia, and rebuild his empire.
·Ironic, Vance’s soul wasn’t really a soul but technology. Ra’s really did have his soul transferred, and there wasn’t any tinkering with DNA. Just the old Frankenstein mind-transference premise. Tim Drake/Robin’s “soul” was infected with Joker programming. See the similarity?
·There are still many lost years that I wish the writers would brief us on. Like how and when did Alfred die? When did Wayne debut the advanced batsuit? When did the Gotham sky go from red to purple. Joker would feel at home under a purple sky.


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By BrianB on Tuesday, April 17, 2001 - 5:17 am:

When Wayne returned to the cave to test the authenticity of Joker’s voiceprint, he accesses a video file of Joker in a referee’s uniform. Joker says, “…A countdown of victims that will end at midnight unless our dear, dark knight stops me first [insert mild HA HA’s].” That quote came from the BTAS episode “Holiday Knights”. In that episode, Joker interrupted the New Year’s Eve TV coverage of the Rose Bowl (or “Toilet Bowl” as he called it) with his newest threat on Gotham. Except in that episode, Joker was pulling his purple jacket out of a locker during his countdown statement. In Wayne’s file footage, Joker was not holding his jacket and his laugh at the end of his countdown dialog is mild, but slightly different -- different enough to be nit worthy. This footage of Wayne’s was presumably made available from Commissioner James Gordon who either obtained his copy of the video from the TV station or from someone who taped the game.
From the list of edits: In Flashback, the usual Batgirl “hooker” contacts, last scene in “The Ultimate Thrill”, are changed to a guy and girl. A correction on everyone and myself who copied and pasted this tidbit in their forums: The usual hooker contacts do refer to hookers Batgirl questioned in “The Ultimate Thrill”, but this didn’t occur in the last scene. Scene is a typo. The correct word in that sentenced should’ve read as follows: “last seen in 'The Ultimate Thrill'.


By BrianB on Tuesday, April 17, 2001 - 5:39 am:

Except in that episode, Joker was pulling his purple jacket out of a locker during his countdown statement. In Wayne’s file footage, Joker was not holding his jacket...
P.S. This nit is key since Joker made this threat LIVE during the football game. I doubt the Joker recorded rehearsal takes. I suppose he could've made subsequent interruptions of the game stating the same threat where he didn't repeat his motions precisely.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. In Wayne's video, Joker is wearing something akin to a baseball cap. In the original TV broadcast, Joker was not wearing a hat. Without knowing the Joker message came from "Holiday Knights", Joker's appearance in Wayne's file makes him look more like he's dressed in a fast-food joint uniform.
This is tacky to mention, but what the heck. In the original TV broadcast, Joker sported the blackened eyes with the white pupils. The broadcast was in color. Jim Gordon's copy of the video was in color. Wayne's footage is in black-and-white (or at least played back in B&W perhaps to accomdate the time span in the BEFORE-AND-AFTER comparisons), but throughout the film, even in the flashback, Joker's eyes reverted back to his original look except his pupils have turned red. Like the red-eye effect in photography.


By BrianB on Tuesday, June 19, 2001 - 1:22 pm:

I watched the unedited version of the film. Here is a summary of nits within the edits or nits caused as a result of the edits....
First fight scene trimmed and altered. Dee Dee fight scene noticeably trimmed, as well as the “pan around” sequence.
At the industrial heist, after Batman has downed the male Jokerz, the Dee Dees are huddled cowering in fear. Bonk is coming to, Batman is distracted and one Dee Dee assaults Batman with a hand-held stun gun. The nit occurs as the second Dee Dee begins cartwheeling across Batman. As Batman is writhing in agony, DD#2 had cart wheeled across his path and her legs were at eleven-and-five. Then scene cuts to a close-up of Batman and DD#2 completes the cartwheel starting with her legs at eleven-and-four.
The scene showing the batarang beheading a Two-Face dummy is cut.
The Two Face dummy stands among mannequins of Riddler, Killer Croc and Mr. Freeze. Interesting that there weren’t any female dummies among Wayne’s targets such as Harley Quinn or Poison Ivy. It’s a good thing Two Face was a dummy. To behead the real Two Face goes against the Bruce Wayne/Batman code of conduct.
“Putzes” changed to “Yutzes” during Joker intro scene.
During the Joker intro scene, his gun is nowhere to be seen on him. Yet when Bonk closes in on him and demands he wants out, Joker happens to have been holding a gun in his right hand and brings it up on cue. Previously he had a handful of hard gumdrop candy in it.
Bonk not shot, but gassed, and dies off screen, which is evident when his laughing stops.
In the edited version, you see Joker walk across from right to left, discard his gun that lands on Bonk as he soon laughs himself into a coma and presumably dies off screen. In the unedited version. Joker does his walk, delivers his line “That’s also how we did it in my day”, and discards his gun. Bonk was never included in that scene.
Because of the above, the whole “Dee Dee, take out the trash” and “Are you with me?” sequences are cut.
Joker approaches the surviving gang and asks if they’re with him. The gang clutching each other says they’re with him. Joker replies, “Little louder”. The gang, already clustered together even tighter repeats the line. Then Joker asks the Dee Dees the same thing and they reply in kind while clutching each other but separated from the males when we weren’t looking. Then Joker asks the males Ghoul and Chucko the same thing and they were separate from the Deeds and Wolf. Ghoul and Chucko repeat they’re with him. Interestingly, Wolf does not talk; his voiceover is the usual beast noises done by the veteran voice actor Frank Welker. But Wolf does mouth the words during the “We’re with you” sequence.
Dana’s injuries downgraded to “one bump and a couple cuts”.
In the unedited version, Chelsea tells Terry that Dana has “a bad bump and some cuts”. We’re talking major violent content here. No wonder the line was wisely changed, nyuk nyuk.
The scene showing Batman throwing his knife at the Joker is cut.
That’s where the Joker ducked and caused the Bat’s knife to tear through the curtain. That tear is still visible in the edited version. When Batman broke through his bindings, his left arm extended where he would throw his knife. The knife was digitally removed before the throw itself was cut.
Joker no longer slashes Batman across the chest and stabs him in the leg with a knife. The knife is digitally removed and just punches Batman.
Actually, the slash with the non-existent knife is what resembles a punch.
In the unedited version, Joker’s slash across Batman’s chest causes a tear in his costume. When Batman had fallen down from the oversized playing blocks and when Joker grabbed Batman by his costume, the tear was no longer visible. For that reason, digitally removing the tears for the edited version was unnecessary. The animators goofed in the first place.
Batman’s “Tim” moan is cut.
Batman’s “Tim” moan (and Puumba) line was supposed to come after Tim’s first shot just pops out the “BANG” flag. Tim’s second shot plunges the BANG flag into Joker’s chest. Although the flag didn’t hit his heart, Joker falls to the floor and dies after exclaiming, “That’s not funny! That’s not--”
Barbara’s dialogue is altered from: “We buried Joker deep beneath Arkham...” to “...And for Robin’s sake, he kept that night a secret...” therefore not directly mentioning Joker’s death.
Actually, the latter line was changed from “He [Gordon] promised to keep our secret”, which is what Granny Gordon meant with the final line “With his [the Joker’s] last act of cruelty, he tainted us all with compromise and deception.”
“Amy” sequence on the Wayne yacht cut.
Jordan Price walks into his cabin believing Amy is lying on the bed awaiting a celebration with champagne. Instead, one of the Deeds is lying sideways on the bed. Only her head is totally obscured in a shadow. Price sees the lovely female form on the bed and believes it to be his evening companion, Amy. Price sits at the end of the bed as we see a close-up pan of Dee Dee’s ample left thigh barely overlapping the right thigh and creates a provocative pose and perhaps too risqué that that’s the reason it wound up on the cutting-room floor. Although there were plenty of Dee Dee’s shorts visible, the visual of her thighs together resembles a bare butt. Alluring, but taboo. The nit occurs due to the fact that Dee Dee wears a red tube-top and white bikini shorts while Amy, tied up at the dock, was wearing a long, white dress; nothing two-piece.
In the edited version, an overhead shot of the Wayne yacht had Price deliver the line, “You!” off camera to join-in-progress his shocked expression. In the unedited version, his expression showed he had just dropped his champagne glass as he gasped and recognized DD#1, turn around and spot DD#2. That glass was edited out. No wonder the edited scene played out so odd.
Tim Drake’s dialogue altered from “I can still see his dead body” changed to “I can still see his frozen smile”.
That’s not as accurate as one might claim. The Joker had died face down. Young Tim Drake could not look Joker in the face to register a frozen smile to haunt him for the rest of his life. Any frozen smiles he sees must be in his mind like when he has nightmares.
All new nits: Batman is piggybacking Price and flying Superman-style away from the wake of the ocean water touched off by Joker’s Satellite-O-Death. The wake overtakes Batman but throws Price way into the air. How is that possible? Is it something like tackling a quarterback and the football gets ejected ahead of the momentum?
Batman eventually regains the sky and catches price. Only then does he fire his rocket boots and pulls away from the watery wake. If Batman needs to fly, not glide, and without the aid of the Batmobile, his rocket boots should always be on. When Batman finally used the rockets, this time it created an unusual fiery tail.
Joker strafes the city with his death ray. It’s almost impossible to fathom that no lives were lost in the buildings that were blown up or the roadways that were pulverized. The beam even strafed across a park fountain and people were running from it. It’s also hard to believe no one was harmed throughout the assault. If they were, it’s best we don’t know how many if any. Otherwise that would’ve meant more cuts.
As Batman defeats the Jokerz for the last time at the abandoned Jolly Jack candy factory, Batman punches Ghoul to sleep. As the Deeds close in on his position and before Batman goes to invisibility, Ghoul is missing from that point on.
Joker rambles that his comeback party is going to set the whole town on fire. He implements satellite commands on the same computer Ghoul used to track another systems scanner for Joker. In Ghoul’s scene, they computer keys were seamlessly adjacent and contained within the panel. In the Joker’s close-up with his reflection visible on the monitor, an extreme close-up of the keys shows its contours making them appear not as seamless and the keys jut upward out of the panel.
Speaking of that computer, it seems it was online as the Joker sat on it to deliver the exposition, which brought the Batmen up to speed. Also Ace, the bat hound stepped over that area of the computer to attack Joker. Good thing those contacts didn’t upset the operations of the computer.
I think we can safely assume all the Jokerz regained consciousness and evacuated the rooftop of Jolly Jack before the cutting beam of the satellite cut across the factory.
In the edited version, Nana Harley’s wardrobe is a red jacket sweater over a black dress, just like her Harley Quinn costume. In the unedited version, she’s wearing two ugly pastels of blue on purple.


By BrianB on Tuesday, June 19, 2001 - 1:53 pm:

Forgot to mention the HA-HA’s spray-painted in the bat cave were changed from red to purple. Can’t depict blood now, can we?


By BrianB on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 3:55 pm:

The scene showing the batarang beheading a Two-Face dummy is cut.
More scrutiny. How can Wayne lop off Two Face's head -- even if it's a dummy? He was his best friend way back then. He made a verbal vow to save him. In the BTAS episode "Two Face" part 2, Batman foiled his coin toss which would decide either Batman's or Ruppert Thorne's fate (can't remember which) by throwing a box of dollar coins onto the floor. Two Face couldn't find his special coin. He went frantic and surrendered to exhaution. In the epilog, Batman tossed a coin into a water fountain to wish Two Face good luck. I believe that's the episode he also vowed to save him someday. The coin, which we are to presume it's Two Face's, landed good-side up, symbolizing that the day will come that Two Face will be saved. I guess it never did. And now the elderly Bruce Wayne is throwing a batarang at mannequins of his Rogue's Gallery and beheads Two Face. Guess Wayne gave up on him.
Second, if Wayne has perfect replica mannequins of his Rogue's Gallery to play with, why does he collect their wardrobe? In the earliest Batman Beyond episodes, Mr. Freeze's helmet is found in the bat cave. Then Mr. Freeze returns, presumably wearing the same helmet he did when he escaped the clutches of Batman last seen in "Cold Comfort" and laid low for forty years. Mr. Freeze's luck runs out in "Meltdown". A later episode reveals Mr. Freeze's helmet is still in the cave (guess it never was the same one). And now in this movie, a Mr. Freeze replica is lined up helmet and all like bowling pins with Two Face, Riddler, and Killer Croc. In other words, Wayne has display cases of his enemies wardrobes on mannequins, as well as some of their signature accessories, AND life-size exact replica action figures of his enemies. Go figure.


By BrianB on Thursday, July 05, 2001 - 3:17 am:

In the BTAS episode "Dreams in Darkness", Dr. Bartholomew tells Batman that Arkham Asylum's water supply comes from Arkham Cavern, which the asylum is built over. There is an underground river that feeds Gotham's reservoir. This tremendously explains why the partially demolished asylum has in the center of it an abyss. And when Harley Quinn fell down the abyss, she could've landed in the river and been washed to safety.
This also helps to explain how the Gallery of Rogues continually escapes from Arkham. One wonders why the basement leading into the cavern was never sealed or guarded.


By Chris Booton (Cbooton) on Friday, August 30, 2002 - 1:18 pm:

Was watching the credits, and noticed that Dean Stockwell did the voice of Tim Drake! At first I didn't recognize his voice at all, but if you listen closley his voice his recognizable. Anyway, I just thought that was cool :) .

One nit for the movie, does the military know that their satelite is being used by the joker? If they didn't how could they not know? If they did know then why didn't they send in bombers to bomb the •••• out the jokers 'base'? If batman could find it, then certainly they could. If they couldent find him then why not order the sateltite to self destruct or shut down? Of course if either of those things happened then we couldent have a movie ;-) .

I too was wondering how all the jokerz suvrived the destruction of the candy factory, but we dont see the rest of them, only the two girls (their names escapes me at the moment) are seen after the explosion so it's possible that they were the only ones to survie.


By Anonymous on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 12:30 pm:

The Justince League cartoon creates a nit in this movie. Possible spoilers so, highlight to see In one episode we see that the Joker is still alive. This is itself creates a nit as in this movie Tim Drake doesen't seem much older then in the cartoon so the Joker's death coulden't have taken place long after the series ended yet the JLU cartoon seems to take place several years after. So the Joker should be dead right? Another nit is that, since the Joker is still alive while batman is part of the JLU, why isn't the JLU helping him locate Tim? Think of how fast the Martian could locate him with his powers, he might even have been able to use them to help Tim to regain his sanity.


By BrianB on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 1:04 am:

Chris Booton: One nit for the movie, does the military know that their satelite is being used by the joker? If they didn't how could they not know? If they did know then why didn't they send in bombers to bomb the •••• out the jokers 'base'? If batman could find it, then certainly they could. If they couldent find him then why not order the sateltite to self destruct or shut down?

I'm sure that Tim Drake under Joker influence engineered the satellite and has his own security codes and can thwart any attempt of military overrides. And how can the military know that Joker is in control of the satellite, much less know where is "base" is? The New and Old Bat aren't exactly brodcasting this event to the public or the government.

Anonymous: In one episode we see that the Joker is still alive. This is itself creates a nit as in this movie Tim Drake doesen't seem much older then in the cartoon so the Joker's death coulden't have taken place long after the series ended yet the JLU cartoon seems to take place several years after. So the Joker should be dead right? Another nit is that, since the Joker is still alive while batman is part of the JLU, why isn't the JLU helping him locate Tim? Think of how fast the Martian could locate him with his powers, he might even have been able to use them to help Tim to regain his sanity.

Since Joker is still alive, he hasn't harmed Tim Drake yet. Tim has not gone missing as you imply, therefore no search for Drake is warranted. Per Granny Gordon, Tim soon left after one year of therapy by Dr. Thompkins to "make it on his own". As I mentioned, isn't he still a minor?

For all of the time that has elapsed from the first BTAS toons (1992) to Superman and Beyond and the movies to the current run of Justice League, it is best to put the time frame of JL as just after the simultaneous end of the Batman and Superman series. The only outstanding nit where Batman is concerned is his costume has changed once again... the longer eartips. In the ROTJ flashback, his costume had no blue highlights and the short eartips as it was in the final 24 episodes of TNB/SA or ("Season 3"). And Joker's appearance has reverted to his normal almost original look. A vast improvement over the black eyes with white pupils.

So until the day Joker abducts Drake and turns him into Joker Jr., the whole Batman animated legacy now spanning 11 years strung end-to-end can, in theory, only span a few years. Yes, some episodes flashback for example "SEVEN YEARS AGO" or flashforward "ONE YEAR LATER". Otherwise for these seemingly ageless characters episodic adventures are of an almost daily occurance.


By Matt Pesti on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 12:00 pm:

Wait until Teen Titans airs.


By BrianB on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 12:21 pm:

I'm willing to wager the ROTJ plot thread doesn't get revisited.


By Chris Booton (Cbooton) on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 7:33 pm:

From what I've read, the creators of Enterprise The Justice League have said it isn't meant to be 100% 'continuity friendly' with the other series, so my nit about Tim Drake can probably also be explained away with that.


By BrianB on Monday, January 05, 2004 - 4:05 pm:

• In the DVD extra, it begins with the graphic: “The following segment was to follow the scene with Terry, his mother and brother. It was deleted for reasons of pacing and thus not animated. It is shown in the form of animatics -– storyboards shot to a dialogue track.” It begins with Wayne meeting Jordan Price the next day at the sight of the party the Jokerz crashed. They have a private conversation. Price briefly displays his knowledge of Wayne’s life story: Orphaned at age nine, studied abroad, returned to Gotham fifteen years later, and only then took a passing interest in the day-to-day operations of the company. Typical red herring to show contempt each of them have for each other. Price was validating his employability when Wayne earlier told Terry that he’d keep Price around if he will stay on Wayne’s terms. No nits so far.

The animatic then cut to Wayne driving himself to the the ruins of the old Arkham Asylum building to search for clues on how the Joker may have been resurrected. A good thing that no one torn it down the rest of the way and rebuilt on the real estate over the course of twenty years. In his car he says to Ace, the bat hound, “I’m standing by my decision. I was a fool to allow McGinnis to assume the role of Batman. It’s no life for anyone and you can quote me!” Ace was his only audience. Like the dog is really going to quote him to Terry, who followed Wayne discreetly on his motorcycle and said hi to the dog in the car before going after Wayne in the asylum. Obviously Wayne was speaking indirectly to the fourth wall, the home audience.

• Then Wayne heads for the operating theater; the sight of where Tim Drake was altered to be a Joker Junior. As seen on the animatic, the operating table which the original Joker equipped it with motorized mobility and used it to get away from Batman is now back in the alcove where it was originally revealed, or will be revealed later in the film’s flashback.

• Then Wayne looks up and sees suspended from the high ceiling a Batman dummy with a Joker-faced bat cowl and the words “I KNOW” drawn on the chest region. Apparently this bat-dummy wasn’t there originally. Joker told Batman he knew his secret in the flashback, so I don’t know what this unfinished scene is trying to get across prior to the flashback. That this “new” Joker now figured out Bruce Wayne’s secret. Or that the Joker-faced bat-dummy is to remind Wayne that Joker took one of his kids and remade him in his own image. Wayne runs out of there before McGinnis catches up to him. Terry had to dive out of Wayne’s way to avoid a collision and leaving Terry to go in and see what spooked him, where then do we see what Wayne saw. Terry looks at his pager to see Dana was trying to call him. End of deleted scenes. Well the next time we see Wayne, he is in the cave making Joker antitoxin preparing for a Joker invasion. Based on the deleted scene, it seems Wayne knew that this imposter or not is coming after him for revenge. Makes sense now.

• At the top of the film, Chucko is blasting a phaser rifle at Batman who has his magnetic boots fixed to the hover forklift Bonk is driving. Chucko came too close to picking off Bonk and the Dee Dee twins.

• The Deeds never lose their floppy hats during any altercation with Batman. Not even went one of them went freefalling over Gotham City.

• Bonk’s motif is unusual. He looks like a rodeo clown and his whole body is painted like the Joker. Does he actually go through drums of greasepaint daily whenever he is in Jokerz gang mode or did he go to the trouble of recreating the accident that got Joker’s skin bleached? He really looks more of a ghoul than Ghoul does. Ghoul looks like a poor man’s zombie scarecrow.

• Bat-Ter returns to the cave, debriefs with Wayne, and they join each other at the bat computer where the news just happens to be on and the audio just happens to pipe up on the right cue and just happens to be talking about Wayne.

• The same thing when Terry joins Ace who is left recuperating in front of the TV while a Bugs Bunny cartoon plays when Terry changes the channel and low-and-behold, there is the news again and they just happen to be talking about Wayne. It’s Wayne’s world! Excellent!

• At the first scene in the dance club, the music playing cut to some music previously heard in the TV episode “Armory” which featured Big Jim Tate as Armory. The music was at the top of the show where Jared Tate was being presented his own new car from his dad at a birthday party.

• The dancing extras with their limited and repetitive motions as they dance in place in the background of each of Terry, Dana, and Chelsea’s background scenes are inserted enough times that you can recognize a few couples have shifted locations.

• At the Welcome Back Bruce party, after Ms. Joyce Carr introduced Wayne, McGinnis is standing amid extras. Some with cameras, some flashes go off and illuminate Terry and the extras, but all of them in this brief two-second scene had rigor mortis except for the redhead woman on the left and an arbitrary arm raising in cheer over Terry’s left shoulder. The woman on the right (Terry’s left) is frozen with her hands folded and looking all dreamy-eyed. Either she’s elated beyond measure that she or whomever working for the company invited her is no longer working for Derek or Paxton Powers, or she’s gaping at this strapping eligible bachelor. Whatever. I’m not trying to make an issue out of it other than to say it looked weird.

• Terry tried to intercept Woof to halt his charging on Wayne by flying a kick at him, to which, Woof naturally leaped over. I know Terry fought Woof earlier at the top of the show and was bitten on the shoulder, but I would think Terry’s instinct in protecting Wayne like he were his bodyguard would be to tackle Woof; not give a half-trying kick. Very unconvincing.

• Tim Drake is at home watching the news that just happens to be talking about Wayne. That, in itself, is not a nit. The purpose of this scene is that before we learn that this man is the grown Tim Drake, we see him as a random man watching the news and clutching his knee as if having bad memories of the terror the Joker originally brought on the city, and muting the TV to protect his wife from hearing of it. Actually, it can be said that Drake clutching his knee is the Joker’s essence in him trying to reassert itself. Joker in the news provided the stimuli. The only real nit in this scene occurred when Mrs. Drake was off in the kitchen preparing a meal when she asked, “Honey, what are you watching?” Doesn’t she know a news broadcast when she hears it? This “Joker Returns” report sounds like a top story. Didn’t the anchor open with “Our top story”? If later in the broadcast, did she not hear anything prior to it? Did Drake just happen to turn on the TV or change to this channel to join this report in progress as we the home audience are? Maybe the question itself is arbitrary, but can’t she recognize the voice of the virtual anchor? Whatever anti nit you wish to believe, whether or not you know this is Tim Drake going into first watching this film, the scene sufficiently depicted an average man getting very anxious at the news of the return of the Joker.

• File these “during the Terry-at-home scenes” under “I can’t believe I missed all of these things originally and after each subsequent rewatch”. Terry opens the fridge, pulls out a half-gallon carton of milk by the top-folded end, goes to the kitchen table and proceeds to pour the milk over his bowl without opening it first while still holding the carton at the top. I don’t know since I don’t buy milk in cartons, but it seems an awkward and hazardous means of pouring milk. I would think you have more control on the pouring when you grip it from the middle or the bottom where the weight of the carton is the heaviest. Okay, maybe the milk was already open; the angles were complicated. Still, you shouldn't leave milk open to the air unless you intend to consume it immediately.

• The papers attached to the door of the fridge are completely blank.

• After Terry poured his milk, he set the milk at the edge of the table in front of where will be seated. Then the scene cut tight on Terry and Matt and the milk has shifted to the left of the shot in the center of the table.

• Also, behind the milk is a glass of orange juice that wasn’t there in the previous shot. It is not Matt’s. The only thing he brought to the table with him was a box of cereal that he was searching for a prize inside.

• The next shot as Mom came into the kitchen shows the glass of juice but no milk carton. Terry’s cereal bowl is probably below the low-angle shot of the table or is blocked by Matt’s body.

• Terry catches the falling Dana not only in mid-flight but mid-air. Of course, the rules are always being broken with regard to Terry’s natural jumping abilities. See my comments in “Earth Mover”. Here, he appeared to jump half a story to save Dana from a long fall. Compare this to when Terry punches Chucko off an upper level of the dance club to land him one story below atop an oversized misshaped speaker with visible voltage arcing around him. That’s a nasty fall. So why does Dana go to the hospital for “a bad bump and some cuts” while Chucko doesn’t? Did his thick layers of blubber protect him?

• Terry and Dana crash land on a small, round restaurant table. Made of wood, it crumples to pieces, giving wood a bad rap yet again. Funny, aren't common round tables seen in bars, clubs, and restaurants made of Formica or some other various laminated plastic products?

• A little aside: What is it with the creators’ penchant for having our protagonists and antagonists crashing against or through wooden objects? They don’t exactly break your fall. If anything, it’s probably a more dangerous thing to land on. You could get bad splinters or perhaps impaled on the sharp ends. In cartoons, I suppose the depiction of breaking wood conveys more impact than a more solid, impenetrable object.

• In the flashback, Joker’s newspaper consists of blank, gray-shaded box columns.

• After Joker played his “Our Family Memories” movie, Batman flies through the projector room window without the aid of his grapples. So how did he take flight? Yes, it looks great, powerful, and appropriate. So how did he do it? One moment, he’s standing in the front row of the theater, the next he’s a flying silhouette zooming up with arms and legs extended Superman-style.

• I’m surprised Batman had no reaction to the sound of Joker drawing his knife (until it was too late, of course).

• Who cleaned up the HA-HA paint in the batcave? Terry or Granny Gordon? That’s fast work, but the display cases are still in ruins.

• Even the creators mention this in the DVD commentary, so the timing of this post prevents me from taking credit, but Ace disappears from the climax after Joker shocked him but didn’t knock him out cold. Ace reappears when it’s time to leave the factory before the Satellite-O-Death beam strikes the place.

• Speaking of the beam. Joker has called up a city map showing the location of Wayne Manor, the hospital, and Mom’s house. When Bat-Ter sends Joker’s joy buzzer into the innards of Joker’s own bat computer, the map visual resets to show the location of the Jolly Jack candy factory and that the beam has now changed course for it. All that from the contact of the joy buzzer?

• I presume Batman escaped the doomed factory with Drake and Ace in the flying batmobile; otherwise, it was totaled along with the factory. That being the case, it’s the second time they violated the continuity of “Final Cut”, the second season episode where Max is riding with Bat-Ter, cramped and uncomfortable with his cowl ear tips sticking her. Bat-Ter says the batmobile wasn’t built to seat two people. Two-and-a-half when you include Ace. Actually, it’s the first time. The second time was the third season’s series finale “Countdown” where Rosalie “Ro” Rowan of The Zeta Project sat like a comfortable passenger in the batmobile. In the case of Drake, he was probably crammed behind the driver’s seat in a undignified heap in his semi-conscious state.

• The Police are on the scene surrounding the building in a state of rigor mortis watching the place blow up and are likely close enough to have shrapnel and flaming wreckage rain on them.

• As McGinnis leaves Drake and Gordon in the hospital room, he sees Wayne and asks, “What are you doing here?” Does that seem right? It seems to come across as “Aren’t you supposed this mean, unemotional, unshakeable old man who does give a rip about anything?” Of course Wayne has feelings; a lot of guilt and regret, and his reconciliation of it played perfect as an epilog.


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