Great to see the board up!
Note: this is the last time we see Batman with brown eyes. Suddenly, in the new season, he has blue eyes! Aha--another ploy to throw off suspicion!
(Or, to be more accurate, someone noticed that Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne looked almost exactly alike--and when they started the Batman/Superman adventures, they had to make the difference between the two characters more clear.)
Don't you think that one of the bad guys would have said to themselves "Gordon..hmmm, we have a commissioner named Gordon...this girl wouldn't be related, would she? Maybe we should abduct some unknown instead?"
Note to self: when my sidekick is attacked by a villian packing two polar bears, I will bring along the tranquilizer gun.
Some older comments...
By Shira Karp on Wednesday, July 28, 1999:
SUBZ:
1) Victor Fries has been a criminal on the run for years now. Yet when looking for organ donors in his home city and coming upon the name "Gordon," it does not even occur to anyone that Miss Gordon might be related to Police Commissioner Gordon and may not be the best target for abduction and murder...!
2) Veronica Vreeland's hair was red in the television series and here it's blond.
3) If it was difficult enough for Victor Fries to get an organ donor for his wife that he had to resort to abduction and murder, how is it that Bruce Wayne is able to get proper care for Mrs. Fries so easily at the movie's end? Is he using his vast influence to move her to the top of the city's list of needy patients? And if so, isn't that unfair to the hundreds of dying Gothamites who aren't related to conspicuous supervillains?
By Meg on Thursday, July 29, 1999:
I have one question about the shot that they used in SubZero. When they found out that Barbara had been taken by Mr. Freeze, Dick says, "Mr. Freeze's wife." The next shot put a look of surprise on my face. it is of a bed and you hear the springs squeaking. Think about that for a second. THe shot is made so that you cannot see anyone on the bed or what they are doing. The shot pans up and you see Barbara jumping on the bed. I just thought maybe they could have done that a different way. I rented this and watched it with some friends. We all thought the same thing.
At the end of the movie, how did Freeze know to go to that one building in the middle of nowhere to see about his wife? And how did he hear the tv? He was outside in a snowfall.
It doesn't surprise me that Veronica Vreeland's hair was a different color. She is just the type to change it for a little while and then change it back again.
How long can polar bears swim underwater?
Mr. Freeze's voice has changed yet again even though he's voiced by the same actor. In "Heart of Ice", his voice was quite robotic. In "Deep Freeze", the robotic inflection was toned down considerably. And here, he sounds more human than ever. In fact, he sounds more like a Klassic Klingon [hint]!
The eskimo boy, Kunack, having difficulty lifting Mr. Freeze's sack of salmon suggests Freeze is still super strong. I thought the circuitry that powers his suit triples his strength but only when he's wearing the suit! He wasn't when he brought the fish to their Arctic cave.
When Nora's containment chamber ruptures, green gas escapes. I thought she was kept in stasis in some kind of fluid, judging by the air bubbles that always rise to the top. How does Nora's hair always remain so pert and bouncy in that glass vessel rather than separate completely in all directions? How does she always remain upright on her tiptoes rather than gravity having her slumped in an undignified heap?
At the Childrens Hospital Fundraiser party, some of the people in the background had rigor mortis. At least some of the people moved. Some were even given lip movement which is more than the directors did for the Wayne Manor party goers seen in the big-budgeted Mask of the Phantasm.
It's funny how everytime Mr. Freeze makes winter, Gotham City is always experiencing record high temperatures.
I think Meg or Shira pointed this out a year ago before the board crashed. Did the producers really goof when they colored Freeze's valuable rock he first presented to Dr. Belson red which Gregory identified as gold?
According to this episode, Barbara Gordon is 20 years old, is 5' 3", weighs 110 pounds. She lives on 47 College Way, Gotham City, NY 10025. A lot to pick here.
First, the number 47. Not only is it a popular number in Star Trek TNG, DS9 and Voyager, but is already used as an address in BTAS. In "Fire From Olympus", Yanni Stravos' address is 47 Walby Street, Gotham City, NY 90068.
Second, 10025 is a proper New York zip code. 90068 is more a Los Angeles area zip code.
Third, 47 got another use here. Belson's stock broker, Dean Arbagast's Gotham City zip code is 10047. The story of "Fire From Olympus" was written by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens. Well-known Star Trek novel authors. The 47 link doesn't surprise me there. J&GRS had no part in this movie which makes this sort of an oddity.
Fourth, Gotham City is obviously New York City. The zips match, the telephone area codes match, and in "Avatar", Gotham City was plotted on a world map focused on the east coast of the U.S. matching the location of NYC.
Batman and Robin cut their close call with the bears too close. The bears could've swiped at them in mid-lunge and taken the Dynamic Duo with them to the ocean below.
Mike Ram: I don't mean to shoot down your nit, but Freeze finding that cabin can be considered good chance. And though he shouldn't and couldn't hear Gleeson's news, he probably learned what he needed to know by the visuals. Maybe tape rolled while we saw his reactions. His follow-up behavior afterward then deserves scrutiny. Why didn't he enter the cabin to learn more or return to Gotham to see his revived wife? To lay low?
JEOPARDY! MODE: The answer is: because it would be a short movie otherwise...
Why don't Freeze and Belson kill or otherwise incapacitate Barbara to perform the vital organ transplant?
P.S. It seems there happened to be a news chopper on the scene at the right time to film the destruction of the oil derek and then replayed on Gleeson's news.
90068 is more a Los Angeles area zip code.
More specifically, according to the US Postal Service web page, Los Angeles is acceptable for that ZIP, but it is specifically the Hollywood ZIP code.
Question: Does anyone know why that the actor who voiced Barbera Gordon/Batgirl's voice wasn't asked to voice the character in the newer adventures?
Steve Bender: Question: Does anyone know why that the actor who voiced Barbera Gordon/Batgirl's voice wasn't asked to voice the character in the newer adventures?
Because BTAS season three originally aired in the '97-'98 TV season. SubZero was a direct-to-video released in the U.S. on March 17, 1998.
Don't ask me the production schedules of each project. My guess would have to be that BTAS's 3rd season and SubZero were produced simultaneously in different animation studios. SubZero was probably green-lit first which may explain why the new character design wasn't implemented in this film. But chronologically, it makes enough sense. Everyone can discern that the story of SubZero takes place while Barbara Gordon was still a crime-fighting novice, she and Dick Grayson were dating, the rift between him Barbara and Bruce Wayne hadn't yet developed, and Mr. Freeze's condition has not yet caused his body to deteriorate.
Melissa Gilbert, for what ever reason, did not reprise her role as Batgirl. Mary Kay Bergman got the role for SubZero and Tara Charendoff got the role for the 3rd TV season.
Charendoff is engaged to Craig Strong and thus, sometimes she has credits as Tara Strong (like in BB:ROTJ) and as Tara Charendoff-Strong.
Bergman is sometimes credited as Shannen Cassidy (like in the South Park series). Bergman has had dozens of film and TV voice roles. She died on November 11, 1999 (suicide).
Since I’m now on the Voice Patrol, I may as well mention you can recognize the voice of George Dzundza (“Arnold Wesker, The Ventriloquist/Scarface”) in Dr. Gregory Belson.
Commisioner Gordon thanked Dick Grayson again for trying to save Barbara. Unless I miss my guess, he didn’t thank him before. His only words before were, “Dick, you okay?” and “I know (you tried to stop Mr. Freeze).”
I realize Barbara couldn't have thought of everything while running for her life, but one thing she could’ve done to stay ahead of the pursuing Belson, Freeze and his polar bears is to block the freight elevator doors from closing and returning to their level. The point is moot since she was on a derrick five miles out on the ocean.
Barbara had to climb up the fuel tanks to stay ahead of the fire. Robin shot her a bat line. We didn’t see how he anchored it to the deck, which would mean detaching it from the grapple.
Mr. Freeze attacked Batman and Robin at their end of the bat line. A good thing his freeze gun didn’t part the line. Not that Barbara successfully slid down it anyway. Where did she get the handlebars for sliding down the line anyway? Did she fashion it from the catwalk railing? Strong girl or soft metal.
How was Freeze able to swim to his polar bears with a broken leg? The bears appear to have already put some distance between them and the doomed derrick.
How did Mr. Freeze make it back to the polar Northern region? It is two weeks later but where did he and his polar bears come ashore? If Gotham, then aren’t the Police still looking for him there? Batman must’ve ordered the Commissioner to abort the search. And I doubt the bears swam and carried Freeze up the coastline the several hundred miles.
Summer Gleeson’s name is misspelled in the end credits. When previously she has been billed as “Gleeson”, this time she was billed as “Gleason”.
Apparently I have been misspelling Renee Montoya’s first name from the beginning. Although to my knowledge her first name was never billed before or after this movie, according to the credits, her name is spelled with two “EE”s on the end. I’ve been spelling it with just the one (“Rene”).
Dean Arbagast: Dean Jones, of all those goofy Disney movies fame (The Love Bug, The Shaggy D.A.). Liked his against type casting as the evil vet in Beethoven.
Batgirl: Mary Kay Bergman, who did almost all the female voices on South Park and sadly committed suicide in 1999.
Belson must've had a death wish: After jumping into the speedboat, instead of driving AWAY from the burning/exploding oil rig, he drives ALONGSIDE it, leaving himself wide open to be squashed by falling debris?!