Great lines: I'd sooner kiss a Wookie.--Leia
I can arrange that.--Han
<laughs>--Chewbacca
Laugh it up, fuzzball.--Han
Ccabe: Accually, the line that follows "Han - I can arrange that." is "You could use a good kiss!!" Chewbacca is nowhere around during that conversation, or at least that part.
Throughout the movie chewbacca's hair seema matted and unkempt. You would think the Rebels would at least have showers on Hoth.
Also, why do we never see anyone use the bathrooms in Star Wars
In response to the nit in the Synopsis, the hyperdrive on the falcon was broken at first. It was fixed at Cloud City but I believe that Lando's people were ordered to de-activate it.
Anakin Skywalker changed his name because "Darth Vader" sounds waaay more ominous. What good is a powerful Dark Jedi without a cool name? ;-)
Regarding nit 1: Was Organna ever refered to as King? If not Alderaan could be ruled by a prince/pricess. The sons and daughters of the ruling price/princess would also be called prince/princess.
nit 5: Yoda might have sensed Luke's approach from space, and guided Luke's decent (Luke would not have noticed, he said all his insturments were dead, hmm... again Yoda's work?).
nit 6: Luke's flashlight does cast light in all directions, that makes it a lamp in my book.
nit 7: Vader wakes over to a circle, kneels on it, it lights up, the transmission begins. I gathered that kneeling on the circle actives the transmitter. Alternitively, Vader could have flipped a switch somewhere with the Force.
nit 12: How do you capture a Tie? You can't disable one, if you so much as graze a Tie with a weapon, they explode! Even if the rebels manage to steal an undammaged tie, it wouldn't be long before it exploded.
About the TIE Fighters, they have no shields and so it may be true that they cannot really be captured. This is pointed out in the TIE Fighter video game and novels too I believe
Luke could have made some modifications to the lightsabre which now make it emit a blue light instead of a white one.
Yeah, because it looks more like Jeddy's swords should look like!
I haven't really been a careful observer, so is the lightsabre a technical thing or does it work with THE FORCE? cause if it's the latter, then who knows what the force may do?
My biggest nit is about the walking Robots which look like elephants and attack the camp - Luke actually disables one of them with a ROPE!!! isn't that kind of mmmm unlikely?
And can a creature really live in space without air? And what does it feed of?
According to the books, her fosterdad was a prince.
Omer: i think it's sort of a combination. (Yeah, I know, that was really helpful.)
Anyone with the Tech Manual?
Okay-
Regarding the previous post of never having seen the Star Wars characters use a bathroom.
To my recollection, I have never seen anyone use a bathroom in "Back to the Future," "Evita," or "Jurassic Park" either, but I'm sure there were bathrooms around somewhere.
And how do you know that the round chamber Vader sat in on the Star Destroyer wasn't his personal lavatory?
As I understand it, "Darth Vader" is a German derivation of words meaning "dark father."
"Yoda" I know comes from Spanish for "I give."
"Luke" means "light."
"Organa" means "body."
"Skywalker" is pretty self-explanatory.
As is "Solo."
I've heard Obi-Wan means "I know."
What about "Leia?" Maybe "She's easy?" sorry- couldn't resist.
well, my written german is practicly non existent and my spoken german ain't so great either, but Vater - is father in german
Well, heck, that just spoiled the plot for any language experts! Leia Organa is kind of
an interesting combination of names... so much for keeping the focus on her mind
It`s actually C-3P0, not 3-CP0.
And in 'Dec Wars', a computer based parody, its 3CPU
Thanks for the correction, Johnny.
It looks like Luke`s going to have to go back to Bespin. He left his X-wing behind there!
I'd say he changed his name to Darth Vader because if he didn't, we'd all know from the first few minutes that he was Luke's father and that would spoil things somewhat.
As Luke jumps off the carbon platform, his head pops back into shot for a few frames, suggesting the presence of a convenient trampoline.
I heard that Luke's hand re-attaches itself in the tunnels under cloud city, but it's very difficult to see.
How could there be gravity inside the asteroid-worm?You could say the asteroid has gravity, but if that was true then the falcon would fall straight down.As it is, they are standing on the walls.
How can they survive inside the worm wearing only gas masks?There's no shield against a vacuum, as the worm has it's mouth open.
Maybe Darth Vader changed his name because, "Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith", sure sounds a heck of a lot cooler than "Annakin Skywalker, former Jedi"
It's possible than Anakin is not the original Darth Vader... that he deposed someone else. That would explain who he could establish himself in the empire with nobody knowing who he was.
Did anyone ever wonder about the line: "Then, I'll see you in Hell!" Hell? Is there a concept of Heaven and Hell in a galaxy far far away and a long time ago? The concept of a personal god is kind of mocked in Jedi (i.e. the Ewoks worshipping C-3P0). Anyway, this is a great movie and my favorite Star Wars film.
I don't think the concept of a personal god is what is being mocked in "Jedi" so much as the idea that Threepio is that god.
yeah, well, if you're talking about weird stuff from Earth, don't forget the Texan
fighter pilot and all the english accents. Shouldn't they all be speaking with accents
no one has heard before? They're all from different planets...
When Luke falls out of Cloud City you see some thing fall away from him, is this hand or light saber? If it is either of these two then how did the Empire find Lukes hand to clone him and how did he get his first light saber back to give to Mara in the Last Command?
His hand (holding the lightsaber) fell down the shaft immediately after it was cut off. The Empire presumably recovered both. DNA from the hand was used to create the clone "Luuke" in TLC, which was given the lightsaber to use. After killing the clone, Luke reclaimed the saber and gave it to Mara.
Didn't the lawyer die on the toilet in Jurassic Park? Cliff Claven from "Cheers" (John Ratzenburger) is on Hoth. He is talking to Leia in one sceen.
Regarding SW names:
"Yo doy" is Spanish for "I give." "Yo da/Yoda" would mean "I he gives".
Luke Skywalker = Luke S. Hmmm...
Omer: Luke actually destroys the second AT-AT by throwing an explosive into it. He only used his rope in order climb up and reach the access hatch.
.. Which does nothing to explain why the head of the Walker explodes when Luke threw the bomb into the AT-AT's tummy.
Most of the SW tech manuels speak of Tauntauns as native of Hoth. That would be a great side story in Empire Strikes Back: The Great Tauntaun Round Up. How did the Rebels tame these beasties?
Zev finds the lost Han and Luke. But what happens next? Does he pick them up? Zev's Snowspeeder is a two person vehicle!
Those laser bolts that the AT-ATs are firing look to be pretty powerfull. Here's my question: How do one of those bolts hit Luke's Snowspeeder, do enough damage to kill Dak (the tailgunner) but not do enough damage to bring down the speeder?
Anytime we see our favorite astromech droid get into Luke's X-Wing, he's connected into a plug which lifts him up up by the head and drops him into his cubbyhole. Does anybody wonder what Artoo does without this device? How does he get in to the fighter on Dagobah, or Tatooine(in ROTJ)
My favorite nit in this movie is when Luke gets blown out of the window at Cloud City, still holding his lightsaber. The next shot shows Vader advancing to look out the window, and the shot after that shows Luke Holding onto the railing with both hands! And he still has his lightsaber attatched to is belt!
"They'll be within range of our tractor beam in moments.." Huh? The Millenium Falcon at one point practically scrapes paint off the Executor's hull! How can it not be within range of the tractor beams?
I have firmly belived this since I was 5 year old. I hereby nominate the Rebel Medical frigate as the ugliest ship in space, either real or imagined. Uglier then the spidery Apollo Lunar module. Uglier then the mother ship in Independance Day. Uglier then Slave I, which looks like the head of an elephant. Uglier then the Rebel tansport, which looks like a potato bug without its legs. Uglier then The Millenium Falcon, the inspiration of which was an olive lying next to a hamburger.
The rebel medical frigate is just a plain old spacefaring eyesore. I think it looks a little lke a great big backwards flying pistol.
There's a nit in the Synopsis. Vader's ship is Executor, not Execter.
I'm not sure, this might be a nit- "We have thousands of probe droids searchig the galaxy..." Isn't several thousand too few to explore over a million entire worlds for a small group of rebels? And the Admiral wants proof, not leads? Furthermore, why is the captain studying the raw data? Isn't that a job for some ensign somewhere?
Where did the bounty hunters come from? Vader expected to capture all the rebels himself through the Imperial Fleet.
Why didn't the imperials place a homing becon on the falcon? Wouldn't that make as much sense as deactivating the hyperdrive?
NOT a nit- The human body actually makes a good space suit. All you need to survive in vacuum is a mask to supply air and protect the eyes. Of course, you'd get real cold.
Re: the cloning of Luke's hand. As many genetic engineers will tell you, you would only need one of Luke's cells to clone a new hand which they could have got from any part of his body. But if it had to be *reattached* then, of course, it would have had to be recovered.
Here's a couple of my favorite nits:
1. When Han, Leia, Chewie, and Lando are walking toward the conference room where Darth Vader awaits in Cloud City, watch the positioning of Han, Leia, and Lando as they proceed down the corridor. After they turn the corner, the next scene shows that they completely switched positions.
2. During most of the movie, Admiral Piett's rank insignia is under his left shoulder. However, toward the end when his is preparing the tractor beam, the insignia somehow moved to the right shoulder. In the next scene it's back to normal!
Thanks for the corection, Spockania.
Chris: re cloning Luke's hand: As I understand it, prior to the Empire's establishment,
there was a set of long and bloody wars called The Clone Wars. (Man, it doesn't rain
but it pours, huh?) I don't know the paticulars but as I understand it, they agreed not
to ever clone anyone, or, presumably, anything again. Thus the mechanial
replacement. I think.
Recently I acquired the September 1984 issue of Cinefantastique, which I got because the cover story was about Dune (fun trivia question, what Star Trek actor appeared in Dune?). One of the articles I found in it refered to a lawsuit against Lucasfilm by one Lee Seiler, apparently a SF artist. Seiler claimed that the walkers were his idea and was screaming copyright infringement. Does anyone happen to know how this case ended?
That's too easy, Gordon. Patrick Stewart was Gurney.
Funny thing. In Herbert's book, Gurney Halleck was described as being really ugly, if I recall correctly. While Patrick Stewart isn't someone that women lust after in droves, he's not really that ugly.
I know... I've always imagined Gurney as kind of looking like an NFL linesman.
Brian - regarding R2D2 getting into the fighter w/o the "plug", either Luke or Yoda could use the Force to put him in or take him out. Its referred to in the books several times.
Brian - I didn't refer to that one! At one point, one of th spaceships circle around the legs of this gigantic monster , connects them with a rope, and so it falls to the ground and crashes!
That wasn't Luke, it was just Luke's idea. And the AT-AT doesn't look like it's all that stable. Ever try walking with a rope tied around both ankles? Of course, it seems that the major weak spot of the AT-AT is the top of its head. When the thing crashes, a snowspeeder shoots two blasts near its neck and the whole thing goes up.
After Luke loses his hand, he falls through a couple tunnels and is hanging onto some kind of
antenna below Cloud City. An object falls beside him. What is that thing? I've heard that it's
supposed to be his hand, but it couldn't possibly have been there. There's quite a bit of time between when Vader slices off Luke's hand and when Luke jumps off the scaffolding. During this time, he moves at least ten feet back, probably more like fifteen or twenty. He falls straight down, so the hand would not have landed in the tunnel. Even if the hand did roll into the tunnel, when Luke comes to rest at a level part of the tunnel and the trap door opens beneath him, the object isn't there.
And, about the fall, in the Special Edition, at least, when Luke is falling, the scream he makes
sounds a lot like the Emperor's scream when he's falling down the chute in the middle of his tower in the Return of the Jedi.
When Chewie brings the Millennium Falcon to where Luke is hanging below Cloud City, Lando
reaches him through the dorsal hatch. As a platform is elevating him through three pressure doors, you can see that the area between the top two has a light running around the wall. Then, the shot cuts back to Leia and Chewie in the cockpit, and Lando's voice sounds over the intercom to say, "Let's go". The Falcon begins moving away at a very good pace. Then, the shot shows us Lando holding Luke as the platform descends, pressure doors closing behind him. True, it does only show two doors closing, but there is a light running around the wall between them! So, Chewie opened the throttle while Lando and Luke were still partly outside the ship!
But the best nit I've found in the Empire Strikes back is this: right before they close the doors on
Echo Base on Hoth, locking both Han and Luke outside in the inhospitable night, Threepio says to Leia that R2 says that "the chances of survival are over 725 to 1." "Chances," not "odds." In other words, there's only a one in 725 chance that they won't survive. That sounds like better odds than you have taking a Sunday drive. And later, when Han is bringing the Millennium Falcon into the asteroid field, Threepio babbles "The possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720 to 1!" So it's even safer to fly through an asteroid field! Fortunately, Leia, Han, and Chewie know he's making a mistake, and Leia saves him the embarrassment of making another by stopping him before he calculates the probability of surviving a direct assault on an imperial Star Destroyer!
Okay Spockainia, maybe it's okay if you close your eyes, but they didn't even do that.Their eyes should have frozen.Not that I wanted them to , but they should.Anyway, during the Hoth evacuation, the rebels make a big deal of trying to get the imperial ships out of their way.Why not just fly round to the farside of the planet and evacuate from there?
Omer - Sorry, you confused me a little. You said the robot that LUKE disabled. Luke only disabled one AT-AT, and that was the one where he lightsabered the tummy of the AT AT.
The AT-AT you're thinking of was felled by Wedge's (Rouge Five, I think) snowspeeder. Luke would have done it himself, but his tailgunner died early.
Brian, Wedge was Rogue 3 in that one.
This has probably been mentioned earlier, but there's just too much stuff to go through. This concerns why the Rebels don't have any TIE fighters. Simply, TIE fighters aren't suited to the Rebels' needs. According to the Star Wars Vehicles and Vessels Guide, TIE fighters don't have shielding, hyperdrives, or are even pressurized (Vader's TIE fighter is the exception, as it was a customized model). The Rebels need fighters that can pull their own weight. The Empire can afford to have fighters take up hanger space. The Rebels can't. End of story.
Doh! Rouge 3!
Also, On the TIE fighter thing, The tech guides suggest that the structuring of the Empire's vehicles reflects the evil philosoply. Imperial pilots work for a system where materiels are costly, lives are cheap, and logic governs action, so they don't need any luxuries like escape hatches, or life support systems. The Empire has no regard for anyone's lives, not even their legionares. That's why they're the baddies.
But the good guys take good care of their people, hence all the perks like shields, life support, and ugly medical droids serving in uglier medical ships.
In the original ESB, Lando, Han, Leia and Chewie walk passed a window with colored glass. In Special Edition, part of the window is made transparent and you can see an elevator go by. The only problem is that in another scene, the window becomes opaque!
Also, how long was Luke on Dagobah? Look at this way. Han, Leia, Chewie and Threepio leave Hoth at about the same time Luke and Artoo do. The Falcon hangs around in an asteroid belt for maybe half a day, and Luke reaches Dagobah. Then, the Falcon heads for Bespin-at sublight speed! How long do you think it could take. Even going at the SW equivalent of half impulse, it probably would take a year or so. And yet, Luke is still unexperienced after a YEAR of Jedi training.
The Emperor has a different voice in ESB than in RotJ(could be the dark side parasites, though).
In the Special edition, Luke's falling scream is the Emperor's falling scream, looped.
Vader sounds like he's got a cold when he says "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival.", in Special edition(when he leaves Cloud City).
Final nit. Luke crashes his X-Wing into a Dagobah swamp in ESB. He leaves the X-Wing on Bespin(previously noted). Then, in RotJ, he lands perfectly(as evidenced by the visual). How? Unless he moved it with the Force(but there's no indication he did this).
Silly questions from Canada (eh!):
How the heck does the Empire get the AT-ATs from the Star Destroyers to Hoth?
We know that Clive Revil plays the voice of The Emperor, but who does his face? (sure doesn't look much like Ian McDiarmid)
Am I imagining things, or are the Special Edition
shots of Vader disembarking from his shuttle a different angle of the same thing in ROTJ?
To Jedi-In-Training:
The shot of Vader getting of the shuttle is from ROTJ, you can see the Death Star Commander come on screen from the right
Ah, so I wasn't seeing things.
Hey, guess what! The emporer was a woman (with a lot of makeup) and digitally added chameleons eyes!
Give me a break, Mys!
I can buy The Emperor being played by a woman (from what I remember of that scene), but the eyes couldn't have been digitally enhanced. In 1980, the movie guys never used computers to manipulate footage, and in 1997, the print looks exactly the same for that scene.
The Emperor was played by Clive Revill and Ian McDiarmid in TESB and ROTJ respecively. Both of these are male. Looks like the young Jedi needs a bit more training.
Are you sure Revil was in ROTJ? It doesn't sound like the same voice to me.
P.S. Duh! Why the heck do you think my username's Jedi-In-Training?
Yes, I'm sure. My information comes from www.imdb.com.
Ancient weapons and hokey religions are no match for a good search engine at your side :)
Watch it, you.
Originally there was a subplot on Hoth with Wampas killing Tauntauns at Echo Base. As Han prepares to go out, just before he says "I'll see you in hell!", 2-1B(the medical droid) and some officers are kneeling by a dead tauntaun on the ground. You can faintly here someone saying "I don't understand it sir. It appears the neck is broken."(or some such thing)
Did any part of R2-D2 break when he was getting shot out from the dragonsnake?
Isn't it a bit impractical to have a city in the clouds? Clouds aren't very good for visibility - someone could crash into a refinery or something.
Anyone notice this one? After R2 got launched like a big hock-tuie on Dagobah, she lands kind of rough. Luke comes over, and helps him up. In the origninal movie He tells R2 "You're lucky you don't taste very good" But in the special edition he says "You were lucky to get out of there". I kinda liked the first line better.
When Luke is leaving Dagobah he enters his X-Wing via a ladder. Then the shot changes to Luke putting his helmet on and the ladder is gone! Admittedly he might have used the force to stow the ladder, but 1. Why not just use the force to get into the X-Wing? and 2. Does his X-Wing really have room for that ladder? It's not like Yoda is going to keep such a thing around (oh, wait, he's short- maybe he does).
Chameleon eyes? It's true. I made the same post, somewhere.
Since Obi-Wan-Kenobi was Jedi master Qui-Gon-Jin's apprentice, why did Obi-Wan (or his spirit) claim to Luke that Yoda was the Jedi master who taught him?
Maybe Darth Maul kills Qui-Gon-Jin and Yoda finishes his training?
Or perhaps they both taught him.
I suspect that (so to speak) Yoda was lecture hall and Qui-Gon-Jin was his internship.
If this is the movie where they go through the asteroid field and everyone has a fit, does the Falcon have deflector shields? The Enterprise-D is much larger than the Falcon and it goes through them just fine.
And yes, the Emperor's face was a old woman in makeup with gorilla eyes.
How long does it take to train a Jedi? Han and the others only seem to be captives in Bespin a few days before Luke comes to rescue them. How long does it take to fly from Dagobaah to Bespin? Granted Luke's training wasn't complete but it still seems Yoda gave him the cliff's notes version of how to become a Jedi. I mean most people spend years, or even decades training to reach a high level in the martial arts.
Oh yeah, and did Luke take the "How to be a Jedi" book-on-tape with him to listen to? When he leaves Yoda and Ben tell him his training isn't complete. Yet when he returns in RotJ Yoda tells him his training is complete.
Luke discovers that Vader is his dad.
Besides Ben & Voda, didn't anyone else know that Anakin became Vader? Here's this Anakin Skywalker guy in Jedi training. Probably doing very well. Maybe saving lots of races in the process. Shoot, as a kid he helped to save Naboo! Then one day he is dead & a guy named Vader comes out of nowhere. Things that make you go ummmmm.
Chris Q, Vader kills all the Jedi, maybe Obi-wan has been saying Vader killed Anakin for a long time before he told Luke. Oh, and I love that scene when Vader says"I am your father", Luke's NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' cracks me up everytime.:=)
I've heard the intriguing speculation that, while Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader, perhaps he's not the 'original' Darth Vader. Maybe he took someone else's persona. Interesting, no?
Interesting...
It could certainly help to explain Vader's transformation from ESB to ROTJ. In one, he was ruthless, willing to destroy his own son. In the the other, he's wimpier, giving us lines like, "It's too late for me, my son." But that was probably just a way to demonstrate that the Emperor was even more evil than he.
Just rewatched the "special edition" and a few things jumped out at me.
1) After Luke cuts off the Wampa(?)'s arm he is so spooked he runs out of the cave. As he does so the sound guys drop in the sound of him turning off his saber. The only problem is...it stays on!
2) Vadar orders the fleet to establish a blockaid around the planet. But ship after ships runs it!! Yet Piett is still alive at the end of the movie.
3) Why didn't Vadar use the force to hold the Falcon down on Hoth.
4) One has to wonder about the asteroid creature, and the bugs that live in it. What do they live on. Apparently the Mynoks(?) feed on the power cables. So how ofter do spaceships fly into this things belly? What does the larger monster eat?
5) Why did Luke crash? Sure visiblity was bad, but they didn't say there was anything wrong with the ship.
6) What was the point of the snowspeeders? Instead of going to the trouble of making ships JUST to operate on Hoth, why not just use the X-wings?
7) AT-ATs are without doubt a bad idea. Waaaay to high a center of gravity. Tracked vehicles would have been much better.
8) I find it hard to believe the cables used were strong enough to trip the AT-ATs. Compared to the size of those beasts I'd think they'd snap.
9) Cut scene: While discussing the disposition of Chewbacca and Leia in the original Vadar starts to to apply the Jedi death grip to Lando. This is why later when Vader tells him "prey I do not alter it more" Lando feels his neck.
10) After the above cut scene, outside where Han is being shocked. Vader leaves, the hatch snapping shut behind him. Lando then says "this deal is getting worse by the moment." He seems to be planning to doublecross Vadar's doublecross. The only problem is Fett AND (count them) TWO stormtroopers are standing right there. Did none of them (the troopers especially) feel this bit of dissatisfation on Lando's part should be reported to Vadar?
11) When Luke lands he seems to come down with a case of "now what did I come here for?" He just saw Leia and the others be hauled one direction, yet he lets himself get sidetracked back the way they just came from. I guess he really did need to work on that concentration part like Yoda said.
12) Right before Han is frozen. Chewbacca brakes out and puts up a little fight. Fett raises his gun to shoot him...then Vadar stops him???!! Why? Why does Vadar care if Chewie gets turned into a rug? The only thing I can think of is because he recognizes C-3PO on Chewie's back as his first "do it yourself" science project and he doesn't want that broken anymore then it already is.
13) Of course I'll toss out the best nit in the movie. Han goes into the pit with his hands cuffed behind him. Somehow he gets them in front of him and out of the cuffs.
14) Once again Vadar looks his daughter in the eyes and apparently doesn't feel the strenght of the force in her.
15) We got to wonder about the effectivenss of this carbon freezing chamber. Remember Bespin has to make enough money to pay the bills at the end of the month. This chamber apparently only freezes things that are about 6' by 4'. Is that really cost effective? I would expect a much larger chamber knocking out much larger blocks.
16) Again after seeing TPM I would have expected C3PO to say something like. "Oh its master Anakin! Thank the maker. He'll take care of me."
17) After Luke makes his mental call to Leia she says "we've got to go back." Lando then protests "what about those fighters." What fighters? The fighters don't start attacking until after they've turned around. Another cut scene IIRC had Lando and Leia manning the guns much like Luke and Han did in ANH.
18) How did Luke know Leia could help him. Last time he saw her she was being escorted by a squadron of imperial troops.
19) As they leave Vadar prepares to use the tractor beam, but then they never do. Again why is Piett alive at the end of this one?
20) Why didn't the Empire do something to secure the Falcon, instead of fixing, then deactivating, the hyperdrive why not just quietly kick it over the side or something?
21) After Vadar chokes Capt. Needa for letting the Falcon escape two guys go over to collect his body. The only problem is if you watch, the "dead" capt helps them lift him up by pushing up with his legs.
22) They're his troops so I guess the emperor can do what he wants. But why does he make Vadar abort his plan to catch Luke, just to tell him "catch Luke?"
23) Early in the fight Vadar knocks Luke's lightsaber out of his hand. Obviously this is an OSHA compliant lightsaber built by the same guys that make those lawnmowers that shut off when you let go of the handle because as soon as it leaves Luke's hand it shuts off. So I guess that would mean you keep it on by holding a button on the handle. Is this really a good thing to have on a weapon that you'll be changing your grip on many times during a fight?
Ok I'll finish up by trying to patch a nit. Why isn't Leia a princess anymore? Because her "kingdom" is now an asteroid belt. No kingdom, no princess.
A few explanations and anti-nits:
2) Vadar orders the fleet to establish a blockaid around the planet. But ship after ships runs it!! Yet Piett is still alive at the end of the movie.
Perhaps Vader has seen the that the dark side is the wrong path and is trying to get back top the good side of the force. Lucas said that ep. 4-6 are about the redemption of Anikin/Vader.
12) Right before Han is frozen. Chewbacca brakes out and puts up a little fight. Fett raises his gun to shoot him...then Vadar stops him???!! Why? Why does Vadar care if Chewie gets turned into a rug? The only thing I can think of is because he recognizes C-3PO on Chewie's back as his first "do it yourself" science project and he doesn't want that broken anymore then it already is.
Would you let a bounty hunter shoot your favorite childhood toy? If so, can I vaporize your teddy bear?
15) We got to wonder about the effectivenss of this carbon freezing chamber. Remember Bespin has to make enough money to pay the bills at the end of the month. This chamber apparently only freezes things that are about 6' by 4'. Is that really cost effective? I would expect a much larger chamber knocking out much larger blocks.
An aluminun plant near where I live produces similar sized blocks. If you can make 6'x4'x'1 blocks every 5 minutes or so, Bespin could easily pay their bills. (Note: Al is 1 space right and 1 space down from Carbon on a Periodic Table. Atomic No. 5 and 13 respecively.)
20) Why didn't the Empire do something to secure the Falcon, instead of fixing, then deactivating, the hyperdrive why not just quietly kick it over the side or something?
Bait, if Leia, Han, or Chewie try to excape, they will try to get to the Falcon
9) I'm confused about this nit. Cut scene? In which version? The "I'm altering the deal" line occurs right after Han is frozen in carbonite not while he's being tortured. The scene after the torture (where they discuss what would happen to Leia and Chewie) is where Vader delivers his "Perhaps you think you're being treated unfairly?" But I don't recall Vader using his Force-grip on Lando.
10) It was just an expression of dissatisfaction, not necessarily a plot for retribution. Fett probably wouldn't care as long as he gets his bounty. And perhaps the stormtroopers couldn't hear him through their helmets? He was sort of muttering it under his breath.
The cut scene takes place during the "Perhaps you think you're being treated unfairly" bit.
The first scene on the Executor is a brilliant scene, technical-wise and acted-wise. Just the small character bits that the actors playing Veers, Ozzel, and Piett provide really make the scene. (Piett is a ladder-climbing young man--notice how he ignores Ozzel, and goes straight for Vader; Ozzel resents this, check out that LOOK he gives Piett; and Veers doesn't care, but knows that Ozzel is on his way to being bantha fodder, that small line "Admiral," shows that)
Between ANH and ESB the Falcon`s cockpit has sprouted a door, instead of just a doorway.
A very minor point. After hearing the probe droid, Threepio says that he is fluent in 6 million forms of communication. Usually he says he`s fluent in OVER 6 million forms of communication. (Is that a bit too far?)
When Darth Vader speaks to General Veers while in his meditation chamber, his voice has a strange echo.
Luke and Dak get into the snowspeeder before the AT-ATs are spotted. Why is this? Why not get into X-wings?
During the battle, there are three AT-ATs. One is tripped up, but later scenes still show three and in a couple of scenes an AT-ST. Maybe these are reinforcements? But after Luke destoys one AT-AT, there is only Veers` walker left. What happened to the other AT-AT and the AT-ST?
While hiding in the "cave", Threepio refers to the "negative axis on the power coupling" but Han calls it a "negative power coupling." No wonder they hyperdrive doesn`t work the second time, if they can`t get the technobabble right!
When Threepio is re-activated by Chewie the lights in his eyes are on, but he doesn`t seem to notice his surroundings.
Luke says Han and Leia were in pain, but really it was Han and Chewie.
MikeC-
You mention the early Executor (did they mean to call it Executioner?) scene. And you're right, it is very well done, demonstrating the intricacies of Empire politics. But I like the later scene where Vader kills Ozzel while promoting Piett even better.
Star Destroyers have angry, violent names like Devastator and Avenger, but since Vader`s ship is a command ship, it should have an appropriate name for one.
As for AT-ATs and their final dispositions:
There are actually (at least) four to begin with, I believe. Just because we only see Veers' AT-AT after the other two are tanked (by tripping and up-close Jedi sabotage)doesn't mean the other one isn't around; it's just that Veers makes the critical shot.
There's a bit of footage after this which I saw somewhere (maybe in a "making of" show) in which Veers eats it as a damaged snow speeder plows into his AT-AT's head. This gave me fits for years, since it's in none of the editions I've seen. I was finally calmed when someone showed me a script that does, indeed, include this scene exactly as I recalled it.
(I'm glad they didn't use it, though. I like Veers. Even have the action figure.)
Yeah, as galactic fascist tyrants go, he ain't bad.
Gen. Veers is good, but I liked Adm. Piett better.
Well, if he's still alive and in command in "Return Of The Jedi", then obviously he's got *something* between his ears!
No one has talked about this:
Can someone please explain the cave in where Luke
fights some type of Vader. and When Yoda said something about Luke's failure at the cave?!?!?
and Why did Yoda tell Luke that he wouldn't need
his weapons when he later encountered Vader?
Luke would have been defensless!!!
The battle was metaphorical.
Yoda told him the only thing in there is what he takes with him. That he wouldn't need his weapons in there.
Dispite Yoda's advice (once again, listen to the little 900 year old guy that can spin X-Wings in the air) Luke decided to take his doubts with him. He took his fear. He took his hate. He took his mistrust. His ambitions. His haste. His anger. His cynicism. His prejudists. He went in expecting trouble so he found it. He took his weapons.
If he had cleared his head and left his darkside behind he would have come out saying "its just an empty cave??"
So you're saying that he fought a figment of his imagination? Hmmm they should have explained it more in the film.
it was probably more like a vision through the Force shaped by his thoughts and feelings. If you seek out touble, you will almost certainly find it.
So you're saying that he fought a figment of his imagination? Hmmm they should have explained it more in the film.
Luke sees his own face when the mask explodes! Vader is still alive on the Executor! Wouldn't this be a tip off that the fight wasn't real?
I've heard things that it was Luke's clone or
some type of clone. Of course I know it's not the
real Vader!! Didn't Lucas himself explain this. I also heard that there was a cut scene where
Yoda or Obi-Wan explains his failure in more detail...
See...none of this is fact...this is all up to the person's mind to make something up to explain that event. Vader in the cave doesn't mean that it was just a mind trick unless there's some part of a script or book that explains it better.
Think about this: the scene was filmed in partial slow-mo and the music had a surreal mood to it. Translation = DREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It wasn't a dream. It wasn't a figment of his imagination. It was his darkside given physical form. If he had left his darkside outside there wouldn't have been anything in there, nothing to give form to. It could have killed him as surely as the real Vader. The more of his darkside he took in the stronger it would have been.
Well, okay. Dream, hallucination, whatever you want to call it.
Well, whatever.
Just rewatched it again. Right at the end of thier duel Luke hits Vader's arm. Oddly enough it doesn't slice it off!! So is his armor made of some super dense metal? That would explain why Han's blaster fire just bounced off his hand. OTOH if so how did Luke manage to cut off his hand in RotJ.
Right after that Vader cuts a 3 pronged... thing sticking out of the floor. If you watch it in slow motion/frame advance however you'll see his saber gets nowhere near the...thing. It easily misses it by a foot or two.
Keep your VCR on frame advance sport it gets better when Vader cuts off Luke's hand. First Vader misses his hand totally, the blow lands on Luke's saber. Second as his 'hand' is cut off sparks go flying. Sparks? From his hand? Third, as the hand goes flying away it still holds onto the saber. Without Luke's brain sending electrical impulses to it the hand should open up and release the saber.
OK one last thing. What is it with Jedi and pits? Everytime they fight a Sith theres a pit near. Except when Ben and Vader are fighting on the Death Star Someone falls down it.
Ben and Maul go down one in TPM.
Anakin goes into a lava pit in eps III(rumored.)
Theres one in the hanger in ANH. BTW, why is there a pit in the middle of a hanger anyway?
Luke falls down two in this one.
Vader tossed Palatine down one in RotJ.
You'd think these guys would develope a health respect for deep pits, but noooo.
There's (a pit) in the hanger in ANH. BTW, why is there a pit in the middle of a hanger anyway?
Really, really bad design.
Is there (a pendulum) in (a pit)?
Scott, I don't have a clue what you're talking about, and I suspect that I don't want to know.
The Poe story, The Pit and the Pendulum. Say, anyone ever try to determine the dimensions of the cell?
No, Matt, because even most nitpickers have a life.
Excuse me, Jedi, but I resent that remark. It was an assignment for school. I had to either do that or write a poem in the Poe style. Since I'm not much good at writing, I picked the only other choice. Please don't assume that I am the kind of person that does stuff like this for fun. I'm not.
Matt, what are the dimemsions of the cell?
I don't know, I deleted the file to save space. I think it worked out to about 25 feet on the
diagonal, but I can't remember exactly. I think the guy in the story made a few mistakes in his
estimates (perfectly understandable) because some of it just didn't add up.
line eat
Intresting.
My brother and I just rewatched it and found two more between us.
* When 3PO's head goes rolling by on the scrap belt if you watch closely on frame advance it looks like you can see the camera and cameraguy's reflection.
* Like father, like son. At the end when Luke walks up to the Falcon's bridge with his "fore-arm" in the medical sleeve it looks like its bending in the middle. Of course really its bending at the wrist but thats reality and what don't nit-pickers do?
I always figued the pit in the hanger of ANH was a big cargo elevator to take away stuff that frieghters have droped off. When the Falcon first lands, you do see storm troopers coming some elevator in the pit. The rest of the pits/chasms in the Death Stars I attribute to the fact that it just costs to much to fill up all the volume of a Death Star with full fledged corridors and stuff. But they should at least put up hand rails.
I agree about the AT-AT being an impractical weapon. If you read any of the West End Games RPG material, especially the Imperial Sourcebook, the AT-AT was like many of the Empires weapons, design to intimidate, act as weapons of terror. This is fine when subduing superstitious natives and primitive planets but surely the Empire knows the Rebels aren't like that and would put something in that is a bit more practical.
Also the scene where General Veers apparently dies. Was that ever shown in a theatrical release?? I seem to remember seeing it in the cinema, but when I bought the tapes, he lives.
Don't look at me, Douglas. I wasn't born until a few months after Jedi's release!
As for the Empire using AT-ATs on Rebels, Vader was probably hoping that the less experienced soldiers would simply be intimidated by something so large and deceivingly fast.
When Han is lowered into the carbon pit he is facing Leia and Chewbacca. When he is hoisted out he is facing sideways.
In the Special Edition, Vader shuttles up from Bespin to his Star Destroyer and flies into a bay that looks suspiciously like the one on the Death Star in ROTJ (gee I wonder why?). But in this landing bay the door faces SIDEWAYS and the ship flies HORIZONTALLY in (I know it's in space, but Star Destroyers have a definate gravitational 'down'). Star Destroyer's have their landing bays on the BOTTOM and ships fly VERTICALLY to and from them (watch Vader's shuttle launch in ROTJ, for example). Does Vader's Super Star Destroyer have extra landing bays that we don't notice in the external shots?
Hoth shares it's name with a town in Austria.
Probot communicates in a spoken language, shouldn't it be sending a data stream or do scrambled data streams sound like this?
It's lucky that Luke crash-lands on Dagobar very near to where Yoda is living. (It Obi-wan Kanobi using the force to guide him?)
Han & Leia walk inside the astroid with only breathing masks, it's lucky there inside the mouth of a monster or they probably freeze to death. I also noticed when spotting this that the Millenium Falcon has no airlock on it's main hatch, but seems to have one on the top hatch.
Why do the guards on cloud city let Chubacca have C3PO in bits? Is it so he's more occupied with putting C3PO back together than planning to escape.
Darth Vader is a bit vain when he drags the rebels along to see Han's freezing, when they might try to escape. I'd guess he did this just to have a good gloat at the looks on their faces.
Why does Lando put on Han's outfit from Star Wars at the end? Is this a lucky costume for flying the Millenium Falcon?
Jeremy Bulloch, Michael Sheard, Milton Johns, Julian Glover & David Prouse appeard in this film & at least once in Dr Who.
A few elements in this film are similar to a few episodes of Blake's 7. (Which also is also about the fight against a Nazi like interplanetry dictatorship who's soldiers where monochromic uniforms & the most important commander is deformed, black clad & with a few personal scores to settle.)
Rebels ambushed while hiding in caves in a frozen world. (Project Avalon)
A "Phantom" fight with an enemy in a forrest. (Duel)
An encounter with a dwarf like being on a swampy planet. (Trial)
An ex-smuggler seemingly betraying their friends. (Bounty)
Listening in on a data stream is the sound you hear when your modem connects to the internet.
A few people have questioned the feasibilty of Luke "coincidentally" landing near Yoda's hut. I always saw this as part of Yoda's testing. The turbulence and instrumentation failure and subsequent crash were all designed by Yoda. Yes, Yoda brought Luke down by his house. That's why in Jedi he lands with no trouble.
As their dual reaches it's end Vader chases Luke out of a room and out onto the catwalk. As he hacks at him he hits the wall several times. Doing no damage what so ever to it. Then out on the catwalk Vader hits the rail on the farside, again doing no damage to it.
Yoda probably orchestrated the whole crash-landing to see if Luke has the mental calm to just roll with the punches, or if it would put him in a bad mood. Then Yoda shows up as just some local guy coming by to check things out and proceeds to bug Luke to see if he'll snap or not. Luke, of course, fails the test.
The position of Luke's arms as he does a handstand while floating things and see Han and Leia suffering changes many times. Sometimes they're far apart, sometimes they're closer together.
Luke is in such a hurry (wink, wink) to save Han and Leia when he lands on Bespin that he takes the time to change out of his flight suite after he lands. If I may play armchair Jedi, I would jump out of the ship the second I landed and start looking.
The nit that had always bothered me most in this great movie concerns the Millenium Falcon's hyperdrive. After they leave Hoth, we know that the hyperdrive is not working. Then they fly into the asteroid field. After escaping from the giant space worm, Han, Leia, Chewie and Threepio run into Captain Needa's star destroyer (the Avenger, I believe). Once it's gone, leaving garbage along with the Falcon (it's in good company, isn't it?), Han sets course for Bespin. But, had the hyperdrive decided to start working? Or, is Bespin in the Hoth system? It would have to be. Otherwise, it would take years, perhaps decades to get to Bespin. (Remember this is supposed to be the Outer Rim Territories where systems are far apart.) How DOES the Falcon get to Bespin?!! I can't imagine that it's in the same system; it just seems illogical.
Anyway, this is my first post here. See ya!
There are some people who claim that the Millenium Falcon accelerated to near the speed of light and experienced time distilation, so the trip wouldn't take as long to them. That would explain why Luke improved so much and how the empire was able to set up all of its traps at Bespin. It seemed to make sense to me. I am not claiming that this theory is my own and unfortunetly, I don't remember off hand where I read that.
I suppose it's possible...
But, it doesn't really seem like Luke was on Dagobah that long. I would imagine a few weeks, maybe a month at the outside. After all, he seems to learn quickly.
The shuttle goes up into the SSD and then along into the docking bay. Look at the scene where it enters the bay and you`ll see that.
Just letting people know...
The nitpicker's guide to The Empire Strikes Back is now online at my website.
The Galactic Handbook for all Starfleet Cadets
Sorry for the plug!
BTW, multi-mitochondria, they`re called Wampas (the big hairy beast) and it`s spelt Tauntaun as opposed to Ton-Ton.
I had that "Led by Luke Skywalker" nit for AGES I just never got around to posting it. I`d suppsoe they were led by either Leia or General Rieekan (sp?).
BTW, he's called multi-midichlorians, not multi-mitochondria. And it's spelled suppose as opposed to suppsoe.
You are very good at pointing out everyone's shortcomings. And you are also very good at making sure everyone knows each and every observation was something you figured out years ago. We get it. You're a god. We all bow to your infinite divinity and wisdom.
It was a joke. Mitochondria are what midichlorians are based on.
I know, I`m worse of all with words which like have and made, which become ahve and amde. But I see you`re prone to spotting people`s shortcomings, too. But I suppose (It was a typo last time) it should be done with "Light-heartedness and good cheer". see the Introduction of the DS9 Guide (If you have it)
Before you point it out, yes, I meant I`m WORST, not WORSE. I`ve gotta be careful with you proofreading types!
Provoked easily these young Jedi are.
I`m not a jedi padawan, I`m a padawan NITPICKER. Although I`ve actually been here longer than KAM, I just don`t want the responsibilities of a moderator. But if the name makes me a Jedi, what does that make you?
Multi-mid said he needed a name for the ice creature so I told him it. He also said on his website that he was flamed at for not knowing who Boba Fett was and having a main character as his favourite. Well, multi-midichlorians, wherever you are, I will tell you as politely as possible: It`s spelled Han Solo. I don`t want you liing in bliss thinking otherwise when someone comes up and says "You idiot, it`s Han Solo, what kind of *$%^^&$^%^$^%&^ doesn`t know that?"
And Darth Sarcasm: Don`t complain when you don`t know what the person I`m correcting says himself.
Then, Ok.....
Provoked easily these young Nitpickers are.
I don't know if this is the best place to make some of multi-midichlorians' nits into un-nits for his nitpickers guide to empire strikes back but I'm going to do it anyway:
3. Maybe the Tauntauns live in another part of Hoth. Maybe they live near the Equator where it's only -25 degrees. Maybe that's why they could only work during the day and they froze if they stayed out at night. It doesn't mean that they don't live on Hoth. Planets are big.
4. Luke didn't kill the Wampa (aka albino wookie).
He only cut its arm off. Of course he probably could have killed it, but he was probably shaken and wasn't thinking straight. After all, he was upside down and a lot of blood was going to the head.
7. They sent the AT-ATs because the shield was too strong for an orbital assault. The AT-ATs probably just walked through the shield to get to the generator like the droids did in TPM
8. Maybe he used some Jedi technique that made him fall slower. I read that he was close to ten meters up.
9. They could've left the ship on auto-pilot. Of course, 3PO or Leia may know how to fly it.
13. Yoda probably sensed Luke coming and used the Force to get the X-wing to land in his backyard
"Why did vader change his name?", their is a real world explination for that one. What do Joseph Stalen, V.I. Lenan (not to be confused with John Lenon), Ho-Chi-Mihn, and Darth Vader have in comon. They all changed their names before becoming leaders of evil governments.
Vader: If he could be turned to the Dark Side, he would become a powerful ally.
Emperor: Yes, yes. Can it be done?
Vader: He will join us or die, my master.
Based on the "One and Only One" premise established in "The Phantom Menace", why is Vader even suggesting to his master to turn Luke to the Dark Side? (wouldn't this mean HIS death?)
Derf...
HIS death...or the emperor's. From that moment on, Vader and Palpatine are playing a very subtle mind game. It's obvious that the Emperor is aware of Vader's subsequent betrayal ("With our combined strength, we can...rule the galaxy as father and son") and consequently mistrusts Vader throughout ROTJ, taking steps to keep him out of the way ("I ordered you to remain on the command ship!").
Actually, I was under the impression that the Vader-Luke-Palpatine triangle finally made sense now that "Phantom Menace" came out--we finally realize why there can't be three of them.
Since Han gives Luke mouth-to-mouth after finding him on Hoth, does that mean he kissed him before he kissed Leia?
TRUTH OR LIE?
After the hand-slice, Vader says, "Luke, you can destroy the Emperor, he has forseen it. It is your destiny. Join me and we will rule the galaxy as father and son" (or something to that effect)
If this was true, why would the Emperor "allow" his own death?
If this was a lie & I was the Emperor & found out about it, I WOULD NOT BE HAPPY!
After the hand-slice, Vader says, "Luke, you can destroy the Emperor, he has forseen it. It is your destiny. Join me and we will rule the galaxy as father and son" (or something to that effect)
If this was true, why would the Emperor "allow" his own death?
If this was a lie & I was the Emperor & found out about it, I WOULD NOT BE HAPPY!
If you remember the Emperor's messege from earlier in the flick he siad that Vader must kill Luke because "He could destroy us both"
Regarding the lack-of-space-suit nit mentioned previously, the lack of temperature and atmospheric pressure in space would mean that anyone who goes into space without a suit would suffer exploding sinuses and freezing to death, in that order.
People! Do you know how your ears pop when you go up in an airplane? Well, multiply that by a factor of 500 and you've got outer space. And the theory that the human body is a perfect spacesuit if you're wearing a gas mask is belied by the fact that no modern astronaut ever goes into space without wearing considerably more equipment than that.
The creature whose mouth they nest in I'm not so worried about. It presumably does not have to breathe and was born and raised in zero pressure so its sinuses are used to it. I'm with you, though, on the question of what it eats.
Now... I've been watching this movie for years and I can't believe I've never noticed this...
Look at Han's shoulders during the scene where he's about to be carbon-frozen. Watch him carefully as the shot switches from wide-angle to closeup. In the closeup shots (Leia: "I love you!" Han: "I know," and his subsequent terrified glance downward into the pit) Han is wearing is signature vest. But if you look at the rest of the scene, he is in his shirtsleeves!
Rumination: if Luke (and Leia) are the last potential Jedis left in the galaxy, why did Obi-Wan and Yoda not keep a closer eye on them? If Yoda is so unhappy about how Luke turned out, why didn't he do soemthing about it all the years that Luke was growing up? Why not during the three years that supposedly transpired between this film and the last one?
Or like I've said elsewhere. Why not take them both to Yoda and have him raise them? Yoda (and Ben) seemed to believe "only a fully trained Jedi can defeat Vader...." So why didn't you train THEM Yoda? Take them both when they where born and raise them as Jedi. Imagine Vader facing two fully trained 22 year old Jedi Knights on Bespin. Bad day to be a Sith Lord.
Maybe the combined force power of them in one place would alert Vader &/or the Imperial forces. A bit of an "Eggs In One Basket" situation.
In the opening crawls for both "A New Hope" and "Return of the Jedi," the words "DEATH STAR" appear in all caps. However, in the opening crawl of this movie, it's just "Death Star."
Maybe it's because it's not a direct element in this one (or perhaps it's George Lucas' writing style).
Tip of the week: Next time you're working in a military installation in cold, freezing weather, be sure to stock up on some Waldorf salads. [For those of you who don't (already) know, Bruce Boa, who played the American visitor Mr. Hamilton in the celebrated "Waldorf Salad" episode of Fawlty Towers, was General Rieekan here.]
Saw this again last night, and a couple of things stood out.
1) There is discussion above about the asteroid beast's belly being in vacuum. Clearly there is NOT a vacuum, because there is mist. Han even comments on the high moisture content.
(BTW, I suspect that air masks wouldn't work in a vacuum, because the inner ear is at same pressure as the air you're breathing, so in a vacuum the pressure difference would burst your eardrums.)
2) Apart from the usual sci-fi nit of the asteroid field being far too dense, is seemed wrong that the asteroids were moving in all different directions. If they were doing that, then the asteroid field would have dispersed long ago, or the asteroids would have kept bumping into each other until a stable state was reached.
Well, it depends on what you're defining as a vacuum. If you're defining it as an absence of matter, then you would be correct. But then, since all space contains some kind of matter, a vacuum does not truly exist at all in space.
But I think the discussion was more along the lines of pressure differences. The pressure inside the asteroid may be significantly less than standard atmospheric pressure, which is also a definition for a vacuum. I don't think the existence of moisture or limited atmosphere negates that.
As for the ear drums, I don't think the human body is that fragile.
But you're probably right on #2.
Some food for thought on the subject of the human body in space.
I should have spotted this sooner: while in the asteroid beast's belly, they're talking to each other with no sign of radios. That also implies a reasonably thick atmosphere.
A few things I have always wondered about.
1. The odds of sucesfully navigating an asteroid field are over 3,000 to 1. Pretty tough odds for the Millenium Falcon. But at least two Star Destroyers dnd one Super Star Destroyer also make it, despite the fact those ships are bigger and slower.
2. The Millenium Falcon lands on Cloud City and Lando walks out the door to greet them. They walk back inside with ease. Yet later when Luke is dueling Darth Vader, the debris Vader uses breaks the glass, which blows Luke and some other stuff out - indicating Cloud City is pressurized. Therefore, Lando cannot simply "walk out," nor can they "walk in" without the opening doors creating a bad vacuum.
3. Chewie is working on C-3PO, trying to put him back together. The arms are in place, but the head is backwards. Threepio comments "Oh, that's much better ... well something's not right because now I can't see." Once he gets back his eyesight, he realizes he's backwards. Threepio is pretty dense if he could not tell he was backwards before.
Finally - not a nit-pick but good fortunte; if Threepio had not been blown to bits and riding on Chewabaca's back, they would have been killed. Remember, "Chewie, they're behind you!" But then again, Stormtroopers are very lousy shots.
some anti-nits:
1. The odds of sucesfully navigating an asteroid field are over 3,000 to 1. Pretty tough odds for the Millenium Falcon. But at least two Star Destroyers dnd one Super Star Destroyer also make it, despite the fact those ships are bigger and slower.
The Millenium Falcon was trying to hide in the asteroid field, so it dogded and swerved around. The Imperial ships simply used all their cannons to blast every asteroid in their way into smithereens.
2. The Millenium Falcon lands on Cloud City and Lando walks out the door to greet them. They walk back inside with ease. Yet later when Luke is dueling Darth Vader, the debris Vader uses breaks the glass, which blows Luke and some other stuff out - indicating Cloud City is pressurized. Therefore, Lando cannot simply "walk out," nor can they "walk in" without the opening doors creating a bad vacuum.
They probably use a force-field for the landing field. In SWIV, the Millenium Falcon is pulled into the Death Star with a tractor beam, and soldiers are standing around though there are no doors, so sth. must keep the atmosphere in.
Sb. above wondered why you would build a city in the clouds, but I thought the dialogue mentions that they are mining the clouds for gases on bespin, so floating citys aren't that stoupid. (I hope I'm not confusing the movie dialogue with the explanations from the book.)
3. Chewie is working on C-3PO, trying to put him back together. The arms are in place, but the head is backwards. Threepio comments "Oh, that's much better ... well something's not right because now I can't see." Once he gets back his eyesight, he realizes he's backwards. Threepio is pretty dense if he could not tell he was backwards before.
But 3PO is a robot (or android), so probably there are different cables for different sensors. It might very well be that the first cables only tell him that he is attached to his body at all, but after his eyes work, he can see whats wrong.
I agree with constanze on 1... in fact, we see the Star Destroyers using their cannons to destroy the asteroids before they hit (though as we see in one scene, some do make it through).
2. I assumed that the pressure difference was simply an aspect of the city's core. The properties of the core might also explain how Luke survives that immense drop to the bottom.
Regarding the construction of a city in the clouds... the movie dialogue only states that Lando operates the Tabana(sp?) gas mines, though it doesn't really say where they're mining from (the surface or the clouds). Constanze's explanation is plausible. It could also be that the surface of Bespin is uninhabitable for one reason or another, Cloud City is a platform for surface mining.
They stole the plans from the people of Stratos. (See Classic Trek:Season 3:The Cloudminders)
The Rebel Alliance general on Hoth has an insignia on his right chest that for some reason looks exactly like the Ralston Purina symbol. Was this product placement for cat food, or just a coincidence?
Throughout this entire movie, Boba Fett is referred to as "bounty hunter". Why wasn't he ever addressed by his proper name?
I assumed that Lando and the rest of the good guys (except for maybe Han and Chewie) may not have known his name. Vader on the other hand may not have respected him enough to call him buy his name.
by the way, i didn't have time to read all this but i just wanted to get this out there now since there's no characters board and i think i noticed it more in this movie than in Star wars:
Has anyone else noticed how Darth Vader manages to inhale while speaking? his breath sound effect is playing constantly while he's present, even when he's in the middle of a line (heck, in the middle of a word). It's really disconcerting when you listen to it carefully, cuz not only is there no break when the raspy breathing plays, but you can also faintly hear where James Earl Jones inhales in longer lines.
-JM
Thats because its the suit breathing and not vader himself.
yes, but i dont think the suit is going to breathe unnecessarily when Vader doesn't need to, and especially not in the middle of a word, when he really doesn't want to be inhaling. Modern scuba equipment functions in the same way: it only puts in air when you need it, unless it's broken.
It just doesn't make sense to me for the suit to be drawing in air and putting it out while Vader is speaking! would it have been so hard to not play the SFX while Vader is delivering a line?
-JM
Ok somethign I have been thinking about. maybe the vocoder is seperate from vader's breathing. Look how hard Anakin had to struggle to talk and breathe after Luke puled his helmet off and we still heard the breathing apparatus. He himself said he wouldnt be able to survive without the suit.
Yeah, but earlier in that movie, I recall Vader breathing very heavily because of a fight or other intense scene.
Ok well lets see. Maybe its kinda like this the breathign apparatus ha as enser that detects when the blood o2 gets low and kicks into high gear? Remember I'm not an expert on all this just throwing out ideas that sound plausible at least to me.
Maybe the mystery of Vader's breathing will be solved in Ep 3.
I recall an old rumor that Anakin Skywalker is not only injured while fighting Obi-Wan, but that he is crippled in a fire or chemical accident during the fight. It's possible that there is some life-saving gas that the Vader suit circulates through the helmet, independent of Vader's breathing, and that the hissing sound is the suit more than the vocorder.
Possible. Maybe we'll see what happens in the next one and then again maybe it'll be even more questionable and bring more problems than before. Oh well.
The attack of the walking machines is the best sequence in all of the Star Wars movies, new or old. Sorry, but CGI couldn't improve that sequence (although, the cleaning up of the matte work in the special edition was an improvement).
Vader's breathing is one of those things I found incredibly annoying when I first saw these films in a theater. Now, I barely notice it. I assumed his heavy breathing was meant to represent he needed mechanical assistance in his breathing.
Dude, the breathing MADE Darth Vader. The sight of him silloetted at the top of the stairs in Bespin with only the sound of his resperator is the definitive Darth Vader take.
Many kids, at the time of the films' releases, thought Mr. "Heavy Breather" sounded like the type of dirty old man who makes obscene phone calls.
I just thought he was asmatic, or something.
My Nits:
Why is the Falcon the only ship in thw whole movie with Hyperdrive? Is it so expensive? If it is how can Han afford it? And why can't the Empire? Similarly, all of the Empire's fleet is useless without hyperdrive. It would take years just to get from one system to another. The Death Star too is worthless for this principal. After all, why could none of darth's ships follow the Falcon after they took off?
All the ships have hyperdrives. I think the problem was that they weren't expecting them to fix it so quickly and therefore weren't prepared to trace where it jumped.
Also Han's hyperdrive is faster than most others, remember than in EP IV he said "I've outrun Imperial Starships and not the local bulk crusers, I'm talking about the big Correllian clippers."
Why is the Falcon the only ship in thw whole movie with Hyperdrive? - Anonymous
The Star Destroyer goes into hyperspace after the Falcon detaches and pretends to be garbage.
After all, why could none of darth's ships follow the Falcon after they took off? - Anonymous
They couldn't follow without knowing where they were headed. You have to remember, hyperspace is very, very fast... so fast that the jumps have to be calculated before moving into hyperspace. By the time the Imperials attempt a pursuit, the Falcon would not only be long gone, but could be anywhere... the best they can do is plot a course along the ship's last trajectory (which they did).
I wonder if all of Yoda's protestations against training Luke were all for show considering his meeting with Obi-Won and Bail Organa regarding Pademe's twins at the end of Revenge of the Sith.
About the City in the Clouds:
I'm unsure if some posters know this, but Bespin is a gas giant. It is completely inhospitable except for a narrow band of oxygen in its upper atmosphere. This is where Cloud City is built, and that's why people are able to walk around outside.
Also:
When Luke decides to jump off the platform instead of join Vader, Vader uses the Force to guide him into the tunnel. I'm not sure why - it appears the idea is to let him fall to his death either way.
Nits:
Ok, I'll grant that a surface ion cannon may be enough to disable a ship as large as a Star Destroyer and allow a transport and two X-wings to get by. But where are the TIE fighters?
After General Veers destroys the shield generator, why don't the Star Destroyers begin immediately bombarding Hoth's surface?
Not a nit, but just something I've always wondered:
On Cloud City, when the door to the dining room opens and Leia and Han are greeted by Darth Vader, he says "We would be honored if you would join us." Do they then actually have "a refreshment" as Lando promised?
And yes, the Hoth-to-Bespin at sublight speeds has always bothered me most about this movie.
"Also Han's hyperdrive is faster than most others, remember than in EP IV he said "I've outrun Imperial Starships and not the local bulk crusers, I'm talking about the big Correllian clippers.""
In the EU, at least, it's been explained that "She'll make .5 past lightspeed" is part of the hyperdive rating, wherein the smaller the number, the faster the ship. x4 is slow and civilian, x2 is nicer, still civillain, x1 is millitary only, like Imperials, x0.5 is really fast (and stolen by Han, like his turret guns, from the Empire), and x0.25 is REALLY REALLY FAST and found on only the most rare and illegal ships.
Star Destroyers have an x2 motivator, so they wouldn't be able to catch the smaller, faster Falcon, and any signal they could give to warn other ships near the Falcon's intended destination would probably be too late, even if they had calculated it's trajectory, which they probably didn't (since they thought the hyperdrive was disabled.)
That's why they were trying to catch it before it got away, and why Piett didn't go into action immediately once it left, but just stood there with an "Oh, poodoo" expression on his face.
Whoops, missed one.
"After General Veers destroys the shield generator, why don't the Star Destroyers begin immediately bombarding Hoth's surface?"-Darth Darthfulness
Perhaps the AT-ATs were too close and would have been damaged/destroyed by the bombardment?
"On Cloud City, when the door to the dining room opens and Leia and Han are greeted by Darth Vader, he says "We would be honored if you would join us." Do they then actually have "a refreshment" as Lando promised?"-Darth Darthflness
Yes, and Vader's rather ticked off after trying to shove it through his face mask for the last 10 minutes.
About Hoth to Bespin at sublight:
Just before they detach from the Star Destroyer, Han and Leia review various places they could go. Leia asks "Where are we?" and Han responds "the Anoat system," which is *not* the system Hoth is in (Hoth is part of the Hoth system).
I've looked on the internet at the map of the Star Wars galaxy (http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/map.html), and perhaps this is a suitable explanation:
Han attaches the Falcon to the Star Destroyer in the Hoth system. The entire Star Destroyer fleet then jumps to the Anoat system. The Star Destroyer doesn't dump its trash for this jump because 1) perhaps there is not enough trash to dump yet and 2) the fleet is still in formation - notice it doesn't dump the trash until the fleet is ordered to break up.
So the Rebels are stuck in the Anoat system, which is just one over from Bespin. Perhaps, like in Episode I, he is able to coax just enough power from the hyperdrive for a short jump near Bespin, and they have to travel sublight through the Bespin solar system the rest of the way - a journey that might take several weeks or however long it takes for Luke to go through Jedi training.
Also:
When Luke decides to jump off the platform instead of join Vader, Vader uses the Force to guide him into the tunnel. I'm not sure why - it appears the idea is to let him fall to his death either way.
I never got the impression that Vader had anything to do with Luke's winding up in the tunnel. I thought it was Luke himself, though whether or not it was conscious use of the Force I couldn't say.
Ok, I'll grant that a surface ion cannon may be enough to disable a ship as large as a Star Destroyer and allow a transport and two X-wings to get by. But where are the TIE fighters?
They were probably just too arrogant to launch them. Remember "our first catch of the day." They didn't think that they needed the fighters.
J:
I never got the impression that Vader had anything to do with Luke's winding up in the tunnel. I thought it was Luke himself, though whether or not it was conscious use of the Force I couldn't say.
I read somewhere that Vader guided Luke into the tunnel. It might have been off a non-canon source.
Why does Vader want Luke to embrace the Dark Side? Doesn't he remember the Sith Code "There can be only two, a Sith Master & his apprentice"?
If Luke did turn to the Dark Side, Vader would be out of a job.
The only way for both Vader & Luke to rule the galaxy together as father & son is to kill Palpatine...and I'm certain he wouldn't allow that.
But doesn't Vader make exactly this offer in RotJ?
I always got the impression that Vader was following in the fine tradition of villains who delight in evil for evil's sake, and therefore, enjoy corrupting naive innocents into also becoming evil. What happens then is secondary concern, since if they're all evil, they can battle things out with the usual back-stabbing, betrayal etc.
Corrupting a true innocent (by making him believe bad things were necessary to win) also means he will still have higher morals then the rest of the typical backstabbing evil guys, so Luke would be a good asset.
Even if he isn't the stereotypcial villain, it's understandable that he wishes his own son to join his side, to prove his own choice all those years ago was right.
Constanze is right; Vader tells Luke that the Emperor knows that Luke can kill him; and that together, Vader and Luke can rule the galaxy as Father and Son.
Why does Vader want Luke to embrace the Dark Side? Doesn't he remember the Sith Code "There can be only two, a Sith Master & his apprentice"?- JAL
Anakin Skywalker had fancied himself a "master" for almost his entire life. Ep II revealed that he considered his lightsaber technique to be on par with Master Yoda; he felt that he had surpassed Master Kenobi's Force teachings; he blamed Kenobi for holding him back from becoming the most powerful Jedi in the order; and he defied the Jedi order by marrying Padme. In Ep III he balked when he was placed on the Jedi Council without being granted the title of Master; he saved Palpatine from death at the hands of the head of the Jedi Council; he was skeptical of Kenobi's conversations with Padme; and he asked Padme to stand by his side when he became the ruler of the galaxy.
In short, Vader never intended to be the sidekick.
One thing I've noticed is that Vader only uses one hand when handling his light saber when he is fighting Luke. Normally, the user uses two hands.
That's only in the first couple of minutes of the fight.
Did two probe droids land on Hoth? In the beginning, one hits, then we see Luke on a Tauntaun, and then another one hits. Or is Luke viewing the one we already saw?
Are there Oxygen generators in Cloud City? Even if there is oxygen present in Bespin there is nothing to regenerate it.
the other was a meteorite hitting
Did two probe droids land on Hoth?- dotter31
Given the small number of probes launched by the Star Destroyer, it would seem that only one was sent to Hoth, and that the multiple views we see in the movie are the same probe hitting the surface. But, given the size of the probe and the assumption that Hoth is about half the size of the Earth, it would still take that probe years to search the entire planet. Maybe there were a few more.
Are there Oxygen generators in Cloud City? - dotter31
Great point. From the scene when the Millenium Falcon has landed at Cloud City and Han and Leia are greeted by Lando, noting that the Falcon vents gas that jets straight toward the deck, and that there is a gentle breeze blowing Han's hair around, I'd assume that one of the following is true:
- there is a force field holding a comfortable atmosphere on the landing area;
- the city is much closer to the ground than it appears;
- Bespin has some properties that defy physics as we understand it.
or tibanna gas is heavier than air and air rests on high up in the sky...
Obi-Juan: Given the small number of probes launched by the Star Destroyer, it would seem that only one was sent to Hoth, and that the multiple views we see in the movie are the same probe hitting the surface. But, given the size of the probe and the assumption that Hoth is about half the size of the Earth, it would still take that probe years to search the entire planet. Maybe there were a few more.
We don't know how advanced its sensory equipment is. There is the one shot that shows the droid close to the power generators, but we don't know that it's the first time detecting it. For all we know, the droid picked the power source up when it first landed and headed that way for a closer look.